Eddie Howe

[MrRaspberryJam]

56 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

End of that season was mad. Keegan never seemed to find a way of getting Ferdinand, Tino and Shearer in the same team, then the last few games it was as if Dalglish went against all his managerial beliefs, hoyed the three of them up top, turned Robbie Elliott into a goalscoring midfielder, and took us to the Champions League. 

Never understood why he flogged Elliott 

[Kid Icarus]

No one wants to pretend, they just disagree with you. 

 

Would love to know who these fanbases are who are universally patient with poorly performing managers like. It just sounds like absolute made up guff. Me and a fair few on here know just how split the fanbase was on Pardew when you claim he was turned on by everyone. A lot of people took a lot of convincing and some idiots still defend him now.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Kid Icarus

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

No one wants to pretend, they just disagree with you. 

 

Would love to know who these fanbases are who are unilaterally patient with poorly performing managers like. It just sounds like absolute guff, me and a fair few on here know just how split the fanbase was on Pardew when you claim he was turned on by everyone.

I think Liverpool are a pretty patient and supportive fanbase. 
 

I think most fanbase are impatient and we are one of them. 
 

On this forum people weren’t split on Pardew. Most of us didn’t like him in the first place. The majority wanted him out. Not saying that was wrong. But we didn’t have patience with him.  Bobby had 1 poor season and most wanted him gone.  We couldn’t wait to get rid of the rest of them After in the main too. 

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

Never understood why he flogged Elliott 

 

Aye was a weird one. He fancied him over Ginola which was mad but fair enough as it ultimately got us 2nd place. But we flogged both. 

[Kid Icarus]

21 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I think Liverpool are a pretty patient and supportive fanbase. 
 

I think most fanbase are impatient and we are one of them. 
 

On this forum people weren’t split on Pardew. Most of us didn’t like him in the first place. The majority wanted him out. Not saying that was wrong. But we didn’t have patience with him.  Bobby had 1 poor season and most wanted him gone.  We couldn’t wait to get rid of the rest of them After in the main too. 

 

Liverpool have barely ever had bad seasons to be patient about, but just in recent memory they wanted Hodgson out from the moment he arrived, before a ball had been kicked. They detested him.

 

Forums aren't fanbases though, same as Twitter, we found that out when trying to oust Pardew. Twitter especially is much more reactionary.

 

If 03-04 is relevant (the majority didn't want him out but admittedly some did) then so is 00-01 when we finished 11th nearly 2 full seasons after SBR arrived. 

 

Souness - Shepherd pulled the trigger before any widespread fan discontent 

 

Roeder - more of a sympathetic figure who was never a long term solution 

 

Allardyce - a lot quickly and rightly wanted him out, as has every self-respecting fanbase

 

Keegan - got patience at end of 07-08 because he's a legend and the football was miles better

 

Pardew's been covered

 

McClaren - not enough pressure if anything. He was useless but not disliked 

 

Bruce - hands up that I personally checked out the moment he was announced, we'd seen enough of his managerial career to know he didn't deserve even a chance 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Kid Icarus

[The College Dropout]

Ok KI you’re right. We are a very patient fanbase. Let’s hope Howe finishes top 7 and we don’t have to see this great patience in our fanbase. 

[Dr Venkman]

I think there’s a very clear reason why we, as a fan base generally, haven’t shown patience to many managers/coaches in the last couple of decades 

 

Clue - we’re not the problem.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Dr Venkman

[Menace]

Having shit managers and having to put up with their shite is completely different to being impatient.

[The College Dropout]

And I think people are sowing seeds of dissent after the CL campaign.

[Kid Icarus]

2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Ok KI you’re right. We are a very patient fanbase. Let’s hope Howe finishes top 7 and we don’t have to see this great patience in our fanbase. 

Didn't say we had a very patient fanbase, but I don't think we have a uniquely impatient one.

[TheBrownBottle]

9 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

It had some amazing moments (the 5-0, 7-1, qualifying for the Champions League) but going into it with the expectation after signing Shearer, then Keegan leaving, the dirge football Dalglish had us playing, getting dicked by Monaco, Ginola being ostracised (my version of what Souness did with Robert)

 

I remember feeling really disappointed, particularly as Man United were nothing special that year. Finishing 2nd on 68 points is mental like

I had no issue with the sale of Ginola.  We looked miles better playing a 4-3-3 that season.  The issue was what Dalglish did that summer.

 

Getting ‘dicked’ by Monaco - a Monaco side which contained Barthez, Henry, Petit, Scifo, Ikpeba, Sonny Anderson, et al - wasn’t shameful at all, and wasn’t surprising given that we had an injury crisis (yep, plenty previous there) so bad that at various points in the first leg we had Warren Barton playing centre forward.  This was the last season of the real European Cup, so the UEFA Cup was by far the strongest competition (and hardest to win).  

 

96/97 remains my favourite NUFC season for a number of reasons.  The football Dalglish’s side played (when we had a full roster) was some of the most exciting I’d seen.  We had two 4-3 games in a month - the same number as KK had in the previous three and a half years (yet somehow 4-3 is a KK style match).  We were 6th when Dalglish came in.  He lost his mind that summer.  

[Kanj]

3 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

And I think people are sowing seeds of dissent after the CL campaign.

think it’s more deflection on / against the sad realization that all the hard work and memories of last season just never yeilded a proper go. 

[BShearer]

I am just worried we do not have serious sums to spend due to FFP this January.

it will be creative loans from Saudi or not much imo.

 

we already had to limit spending in the summer and we didnt get much out of all that spending either due to Tonali ban, Barnes bad injury and Hall played hardly at all so far.

 

Howe needs to pick up our away form, at home we are a match to anyone, but we can go to places like Bournemouth, Everton etc and easily lose.

next 5 PL away games:

Luton

Pool

Villa

Forest

Arsenal

 

surely we cannot be happy with like 4 points from these.

 

given the last 5 was somewhat easier and we got 2 points only and conceding 13 in them. (2 or more in each)

WHU

Wolves

Bournemuth

Everton

Spurs

 

next 5 home PL games Fulham, Forest, City, Luton, Bournemouth, so that should be 4 wins at least imo and give a game to City too.

[WideopenMag]

4 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

And I think people are sowing seeds of dissent after the CL campaign.

Are they though? I love Eddie Howe, hope he stays for many years. I watch every pre match press conference, every interview. Proud as fuck he's our manager. I don't think we approached the final 20 minutes of the Milan game correctly. Doesn't mean I have negative feelings towards him or want him replaced. You could idolise Shearer and say he had a bad game couldn't you? Or does that mean you really want him sold at the next opportunity.

[Whitley mag]

Howe is the best manager bar Robson to manage the club in my lifetime.

 

Could finish mid table and still have plenty of credit it in the bank.

 

Loved the way we went CL or bust, somebody suggested on here it was a losers mentality to not want the EL, it’s anything but we went all out to stay in the best competition in the world and only narrowly failed, a last 16 tie would have been monumental and proud we went for it.

 

My only doubt with Howe is does his type of player, his transfer strategy, result in us being able to compete with the best. Stories of him wanting Phillips, McTominay etc don’t elevate us to where PIF will see the club heading. Hopefully they are just stories and he realises those type of players won’t take us where PIF want to go, as that is the only thing I can see stopping him being here a very long time.

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Whitley mag said:

Howe is the best manager bar Robson to manage the club in my lifetime.

 

Could finish mid table and still have plenty of credit it in the bank.

 

Loved the way we went CL or bust, somebody suggested on here it was a losers mentality to not want the EL, it’s anything but we went all out to stay in the best competition in the world and only narrowly failed, a last 16 tie would have been monumental and proud we went for it.

 

My only doubt with Howe is does his type of player, his transfer strategy, result in us being able to compete with the best. Stories of him wanting Phillips, McTominay etc don’t elevate us to where PIF will see the club heading. Hopefully they are just stories and he realises those type of players won’t take us where PIF want to go, as that is the only thing I can see stopping him being here a very long time.

 

 

No, it’s a naive at best and idiotic at worst strategy to have your centre half get delusions of grandeur and think they’re Lothar Mattaus.

 

The ‘winner’ mentality is a complete misnomer - winning teams aren’t naive nor stupid; there is zero chance that Milan do that if the positions are reversed.  And Milan could hardly be accused of being a ‘loser’ club.  That shite needs knocking out of the team if we’re going to win anything - and that goes for Howe, too.  It was poor game management.  

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, WideopenMag said:

Are they though? I love Eddie Howe, hope he stays for many years. I watch every pre match press conference, every interview. Proud as fuck he's our manager. I don't think we approached the final 20 minutes of the Milan game correctly. Doesn't mean I have negative feelings towards him or want him replaced. You could idolise Shearer and say he had a bad game couldn't you? Or does that mean you really want him sold at the next opportunity.

Yep, I’m bored of that sort of patter entirely.  You can’t sow seeds of discontent on a forum populated by a couple of hundred people, many of us don’t even go to the matches.  I haven’t seen anyone say they want Howe - and they’d be crackers to do so.  Doesn’t mean that he’s perfect, nor that he’s beyond criticism. 

[Kid Icarus]

4 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I had no issue with the sale of Ginola.  We looked miles better playing a 4-3-3 that season.  The issue was what Dalglish did that summer.

 

Getting ‘dicked’ by Monaco - a Monaco side which contained Barthez, Henry, Petit, Scifo, Ikpeba, Sonny Anderson, et al - wasn’t shameful at all, and wasn’t surprising given that we had an injury crisis (yep, plenty previous there) so bad that at various points in the first leg we had Warren Barton playing centre forward.  This was the last season of the real European Cup, so the UEFA Cup was by far the strongest competition (and hardest to win).  

 

96/97 remains my favourite NUFC season for a number of reasons.  The football Dalglish’s side played (when we had a full roster) was some of the most exciting I’d seen.  We had two 4-3 games in a month - the same number as KK had in the previous three and a half years (yet somehow 4-3 is a KK style match).  We were 6th when Dalglish came in.  He lost his mind that summer.  

 

One man's trash is another man's treasure and all that. Also bear in mind that I was 12

[TheBrownBottle]

22 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

One man's trash is another man's treasure and all that. Also bear in mind that I was 12

 

I was 14/15 so it was also the first season where I was able to drink in pubs on match days - so that may be quite a lot of rose-tinted looking back from me as well tbf

 

(Seems incredible that now - the blind eyes that were turned.  And as a teetotaller these days it seems crazy)

[Cronky]

2 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

Howe is the best manager bar Robson to manage the club in my lifetime.

 

Could finish mid table and still have plenty of credit it in the bank.

 

Loved the way we went CL or bust, somebody suggested on here it was a losers mentality to not want the EL, it’s anything but we went all out to stay in the best competition in the world and only narrowly failed, a last 16 tie would have been monumental and proud we went for it.

 

My only doubt with Howe is does his type of player, his transfer strategy, result in us being able to compete with the best. Stories of him wanting Phillips, McTominay etc don’t elevate us to where PIF will see the club heading. Hopefully they are just stories and he realises those type of players won’t take us where PIF want to go, as that is the only thing I can see stopping him being here a very long time.

 

 

 

I agree with you 100% about taking the risk of trying to stay in the CL. It nearly came off - Schar wasn't a million miles away from scoring - and the Europa League is a different animal altogether. Basically, the best teams aren't in it.

 

It would be great to attract the very best players, but we're not in a position to do that yet. FFP imposes restrictions, and we can't compete with the 'big six' when it comes to wages and transfer fees. It looks like we've tried (eg Maddison, Barella). We have to rely on Eddie's ability to get that extra 10% from every individual, at least for the time being.

 

Thinking about it, there's a particular thrill about seeing players like Murphy and Burn performing at the highest level.

 

And finally, great though Sir Bob was, Eddie's achievement is the greater, for me. I don't think I've ever seen a manager transform a team as dramatically and quickly as Eddie has done.

[Mikky]

I honestly don’t think we are far away - these next 2 windows should be used to propel us - make 2 XI worthy signings - 2 good squad signings and we are cooking 

[54]

In today's absolutely wild tweet:

 

 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, 54 said:

In today's absolutely wild tweet:

 

 

This guy fishing as usual. 

[The College Dropout]

4 hours ago, WideopenMag said:

Are they though? I love Eddie Howe, hope he stays for many years. I watch every pre match press conference, every interview. Proud as fuck he's our manager. I don't think we approached the final 20 minutes of the Milan game correctly. Doesn't mean I have negative feelings towards him or want him replaced. You could idolise Shearer and say he had a bad game couldn't you? Or does that mean you really want him sold at the next opportunity.

Nowt wrong with criticism of his performances. 
 

It’s the ‘ruthless Saudi’ fanfic patter that I think is a thinly veiled measure to talk about Howe getting the sack. 

[Nucasol]

24 minutes ago, 54 said:

In today's absolutely wild tweet:

 

 

Isn’t the Forest supporting twat one of the main ones piling in? More faces than a town clock on this horrendous grifter.