Shearergol Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 26 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: You can see how he got Bournemouth relegated. He’s great at motivating a core group of players to go out and execute his plan A. With some injuries, bad luck, loss of momentum etc. he can go on a bad run and he doesn’t seem to do a whole lot to switch things up when things aren’t working well. He doesn’t mix things up for the sake of it which has its benefits and but also disadvantages. I’ve accepted we are in for pain until we play once a week and get players back. We should still win most of our games at home but away, I’ve got no hope atm. Quick reminder that you wanted Gerrard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 20 minutes ago, Yorkie said: That first sentence. A valid argument sullied by a blatantly incendiary and pejorative tone. So fucking tedious. What I’m saying Is true though. People are just sensitive. As you say, the argument is solid. You just find the first line incendiary although the harshest part is a fact. I’ve not said he’s shit, or anything untrue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: You can see how he got Bournemouth relegated. He’s great at motivating a core group of players to go out and execute his plan A. With some injuries, bad luck, loss of momentum etc. he can go on a bad run and he doesn’t seem to do a whole lot to switch things up when things aren’t working well. He doesn’t mix things up for the sake of it which has its benefits and but also disadvantages. I’ve accepted we are in for pain until we play once a week and get players back. We should still win most of our games at home but away, I’ve got no hope atm. It’s hard to disagree with this. In game changes are totally ineffective and it’s obvious that if we can’t execute our plan A, due to injuries or fateeeeg, we’re shite. Our plan A at full tilt is impressive but it’s also seriously flawed if we’re not able to run through brick walls. The ‘no hope’ bit is a bit much, but confidence is not exactly high and do think EH has exposed his weaknesses a lot over the past few weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, Shearergol said: Quick reminder that you wanted Gerrard Where did I say I wanted Gerrard? And even if I did, so what? What is your actual point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 "He got Bournemouth relegated" isn't 'a fact', it's an opinion. And a characteristically insufferable one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, SiLvOR said: Was gonna say something similar - which manager would fare considerably better in this situation? Impossible to say, obviously, but I think Eddie can absolutely turn this around. The tactical shift today will hopefully be something we work on and push more for our away games. Genuinely think that once players like Barnes and Willock are back we will see a marked improvement away from home. I don't actually think there's much to turn round tbh. Our success has been almost entirely down to our intensity and ability to win the ball in the opponent's half. When you lose an entire team of players to injuries then fatigue will 100% cause that intensity to drop off, affording the opposition more time and space in possession. Not being able to keep that intensity up by virtue of not having the depth in key positions is ultimately what is costing us. Players like Almiron, Gordon, Bruno, and even Isak (until recently) have been playing none stop for the best part of 2 months, some through injury. Does no one notice how no one's now not complaining about Howe making the substitutions at the 60 minute mark? Anderson, Joelinton, Willock, Murphy and Tonali are big big misses in key areas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Holmesy said: It’s hard to disagree with this. In game changes are totally ineffective and it’s obvious that if we can’t execute our plan A, due to injuries or fateeeeg, we’re shite. Our plan A at full tilt is impressive but it’s also seriously flawed if we’re not able to run through brick walls. The ‘no hope’ bit is a bit much, but confidence is not exactly high and do think EH has exposed his weaknesses a lot over the past few weeks. I just mean no hope until we get players back and injuries ease up. I don’t expect us to win on the road until that happens. Once we get players back and can rest up. We’ll win most of our games. Plan A will work most of the time. And we’ll get confidence and momentum back. I still think 7th is our floor this season which isn’t bad at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Where did I say I wanted Gerrard? And even if I did, so what? What is your actual point? my point is, you state your views with so much fact that you know with 100% confidence that you, and only you, are right. You’re another person on the internet with pretty average opinions about our manager. Easy as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: "He got Bournemouth relegated" isn't 'a fact', it's an opinion. And a characteristically insufferable one. Goalline technology not working at Villa Park relegated Bournemouth Edited December 23, 2023 by joeyt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: "He got Bournemouth relegated" isn't 'a fact', it's an opinion. And a characteristically insufferable one. He was the manager for the entire season Bournemouth were relegated. That was his squad in full. If it was another manager - we would say that manager relegated the team. I don’t put a whole lot of stock in that. As others have said. He took them all the way up the football pyramid playing good football too. How can such a talented manager get relegated from the PL with a side that had been up for 2 or 3 seasons? I can see how with a little bad luck it could spiral. That Bournemouth fan said he was ‘streaky’ and i see it. There’s a fair amount of hard running and ‘sticking in there’ when the going is tough in Howe-ball that works when the chips are up, but won’t work when the chips are down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 So when the chips are down he’ll just spiral into an unavoidable cycle of failure? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Shearergol said: my point is, you state your views with so much fact that you know with 100% confidence that you, and only you, are right. You’re another person on the internet with pretty average opinions about our manager. Easy as that. Point me to where I said Steven Gerrard would be a categorical success as Newcastle manager. I never said that. I never watched Rangers play so I know i could not have emphatically been in favour of him getting the job. Because I do not speak in the absolutes that you claim I do. I’ve not even said anything particular disparaging about Howe. You just don’t like it. Edit: didn’t see the image. Yeh that’s hardly a ringing endorsement. I think he could’ve got a new manager boost at the least. That’s it. We didn’t win for some time when Howe started (hired in Nov, didn’t win until late Jan iirc) so that’s where that came from. We spent some money, Howe found his feet and we’ve not looked back. Edited December 23, 2023 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: How can such a talented manager get relegated from the PL with a side that had been up for 2 or 3 seasons? You can't be that daft surely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: So when the chips are down he’ll just spiral into an unavoidable cycle of failure? Did I say that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: He was the manager for the entire season Bournemouth were relegated. That was his squad in full. If it was another manager - we would say that manager relegated the team. I don’t put a whole lot of stock in that. As others have said. He took them all the way up the football pyramid playing good football too. How can such a talented manager get relegated from the PL with a side that had been up for 2 or 3 seasons? I can see how with a little bad luck it could spiral. That Bournemouth fan said he was ‘streaky’ and i see it. There’s a fair amount of hard running and ‘sticking in there’ when the going is tough in Howe-ball that works when the chips are up, but won’t work when the chips are down. We've had champions league form since January 2021 and are currently 7 points adrift of CL this year round. What 'streak' are you exactly seeing that others aren't? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Thumbheed said: We've had champions league form since January 2021 and are currently 7 points adrift of CL this year round. What 'streak' are you exactly seeing that others aren't? The one where we are very good at home and shit away. We could get 50 points at home and 10-15 away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 The 1 in 9 away games. Having not gone to any of the toughest away grounds bar Etihad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) I wouldn't support it at all but if the second half of the season is like the first I could see the ownership replacing Howe in the summer. I think because of what Howe did the season he came here, and then last season we have a lot of loyalty for him and rightly so but we've lost 7 games already in the league, if that were to get to 12 or more by the end of the season you'd wonder what the owners would think of that. Obviously we'd all want him to have another crack next season but would they? Edited December 23, 2023 by Decky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: He was the manager for the entire season Bournemouth were relegated. That was his squad in full. If it was another manager - we would say that manager relegated the team. I really wouldn't, because that would be willfully ignorant of every other factor. Teams can and do go down for a number of reasons other than the manager - lack of signings, injury crises, pure bad luck, referee cock ups, other teams cheating, in Howe's case a few of them plus goal line technology failing. Saying Howe 'got' Bournemouth relegated is just daft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Decky said: I wouldn't support it at all but if the second half of the season is like the first I could see the ownership replacing Howe in the summer. I think because of what Howe did the season he came here, and then last season we have a lot of loyalty for him and rightly so but we've lost 7 games already in the league, if that were to get to 12 or more by the end of the season you'd wonder what the owners would think of that. Obviously we'd all want him to have another crack next season but would they? If we finish top 8 he should be fine imo. Unless we could get Xabi Alonso or someone. From a distance he looks like the next big thing. Otherwise there’s no justification to sack him and I don’t think we could bring in a better manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon_Geordie Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Reet! Just nailing my colours to the mast and declaring my full support for Eddie. I hope he's still in the dugout next season and for many more - a few have short memories and need to thank their lucky stars we have him. He works his nuts off, is a credit to the club and city and just needs some fucking fresh players - Get the injured back and a few more in, and most importantly get them 100% and we'll be fine. Yes, he's got shit to learn, don't we all. And I'm sure he's doing more than anyone to fix this. Anyway - let's get behind him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, Kid Icarus said: I really wouldn't, because that would be willfully ignorant of every other factor. Teams can and do go down for a number of reasons other than the manager - lack of signings, injury crises, pure bad luck, referee cock ups, other teams cheating, in Howe's case a few of them plus goal line technology failing. Saying Howe 'got' Bournemouth relegated is just daft. Ok fair enough if you don’t like the wording. ‘I can see how Howe was the manager of a team that got relegated from the PL having kept them up for 2-3 seasons prior.’ Better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, OverThere said: The one where we are very good at home and shit away. We could get 50 points at home and 10-15 away. Oh! So 9 games out of nearly 100. Got it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Decky said: I wouldn't support it at all but if the second half of the season is like the first I could see the ownership replacing Howe in the summer. I think because of what Howe did the season he came here, and then last season we have a lot of loyalty for him and rightly so but we've lost 7 games already in the league, if that were to get to 12 or more by the end of the season you'd wonder what the owners would think of that. Obviously we'd all want him to have another crack next season but would they? I think they would given we won't have European football. I do believe the style of play that made us successful is unsustainable though. Klopp played a similar style and Liverpool had a big fall off the next season. Edited December 23, 2023 by OverThere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Thumbheed said: Oh! So 9 games out of nearly 100. Got it? You’re being sensitive. I’ve not said he’s a bad manager or anything like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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