Eddie Howe

[Coffee_Johnny]

13 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

Seem to remember a Bournemouth fan on here saying one of his flaws was being loyal to players that were clearly out of form and should be nowhere near the starting line up ,we are all seeing that first hand now with the likes of Trippier , Burn , Longstaff etc .

 

 

 

Cuts both ways, how do you create loyalty and a sense of collective endeavour if you don’t back your stalwarts? 
we all love the team spirit he has helped create. It perhaps comes at a cost if the balance isn’t right. 

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by Coffee_Johnny

[Ben]

When did our defenders start chasing the ball and not keep in shape

[Gallowgate Toon]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Shape was the biggest issue today for me.  Kept banging on about it in the match thread.  It’s got progressively worse in recent weeks.  

Fucking shambles second half, like. They were 2 passes and in on goal far too many times.

 

Easy balls over the press too.

[Ronson333]

He did just say we’ll now have an opportunity to train properly for the first time in months. Don’t be surprised if  our form improves dramatically as a result.

[The Prophet]

You look at the players out there today. Trippier is in poor form, Botman, Burn and Longstaff have all just returned from injury lay-offs, Schar, Livramento, Gordon and Isak have all been playing through knocks while we have an untested 17 year-old in midfield. They've been playing twice a week for the last couple of months.

 

Howe isn't untouchable, but it's hard to rotate or formulate a plan B when the bench consists of Dummett, Hall, Ritchie and a few academy lads who probably won't make the cut.  

 

If things don't improve in the coming months, I might start to change my mind, but he and the lads need our full support at the the moment. This scenario was always a possibility and has been in the post since about November.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by The Prophet

[The College Dropout]

I had my concerns about going balls deep with Howe ball in the summer. But most of those key players have been unavailable for various reasons so hard to say if it was the wrong route without hindsight. 
 

I think the Hall transfer was questionable at the time. Essentially secured Burn as first choice LB. 
 

Style of play sustainability wise. Lack of rotation. Lack of flexibility. These are my biggest systemic issues with Howe. 

[Ben]

Just now, Ronson333 said:

He did just say we’ll now have an opportunity to train properly for the first time in months. Don’t be surprised if  our form improves dramatically as a result.

I hope so, I really like Howes Newcastle

[Thumbheed]

I still can't peel myself away from the beleif that these injuries are front and centre as the reason we're playing the way we are. 

 

There's certainly questions to be asked about selction and lack of tactical flexibility at times but when your game is built primarily upon intensity and you can't maintain that due to lack of options off the bench then something will give.

 

Our form will not fully recover until we have people who can come off the bench and help maintain that intensity for the full 90 minutes.

[David Edgar]

2 minutes ago, Ronson333 said:

He did just say we’ll now have an opportunity to train properly for the first time in months. Don’t be surprised if  our form improves dramatically as a result.

 

Admitting he can't run a team on a CL schedule.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Fucking shambles second half, like. They were 2 passes and in on goal far too many times.

 

Easy balls over the press too.

Yep - it was a collective failure.  Forwards too knackered to press and some poor decision-making making us vulnerable to counters; a midfield which was crowding towards the ball; and a back line which looked like the offside rule had only been explained via hand signals before kick off and which also seemed to drift towards the ball.  All compounded by a goalkeeper who goes to ground far, far too easily.

[Billy Warthog]

We'd be fucking crazy to part company with Howe in this season. I refuse to tolerate even considering it. I want him here long term; building the side and infrastructure we all want is always going to take time. 

 

We're in a trough, but there'll be more peaks. We sure as hell need our players back, and I hope they're at least reviewing their training methods with all these injuries. But let's not hit the red button just yet. Please. This shit takes time, and in the meantime, there'll be some shit.

 

Christ, dare I even say this on here, but at the rate we're currently going we may even lose to the mackems. If we do, it still won't be the end of my world. It'll infuriate and disappoint of course, but we have now something we didn't have before - the prospect of a real future. The CL adventure probably skewed all our expectations a bit. It's natural to get carried away, but we might now have to accept a slightly bitter reality that it may get a bit worse before it gets better. 

We will come again, and when we do it'll seem all the sweeter. In the meantime, keep supporting the lads. It's all we as fans can do. 

[Upthemags]

3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

You look at the players out there today. Trippier is in poor form, Botman, Burn and Longstaff have all just returned from injury lay-offs, Schar, Livramento, Gordon and Isak have all been playing through knocks while we have an untested 17 year-old in midfield. They've been playing twice a week for the last couple of months.

 

Howe isn't untouchable, but it's hard to rotate or formulate a plan B when the bench consists of Dummett, Hall, Ritchie and a few academy lads who probably won't make the cut.  

 

If things don't improve in the coming months, I might start to change my mind, but he and the lads need our full support at the thr moment. This scenario was always a possibility and has been in the post since about November.

This is disingenuous - Howe spent 70 million pound on fullbacks precisely to lighten the load on our aging ones. We don't get to then throw up our hands and say there's no options to rotate

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by Upthemags

[Dava1892]

53 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Shut up

Not want I want at all but this is what I can. See happening. 1 win in 7 and questions will start to be asked, no doubt about that so you STFU

[pedro111]

I'm backing Howe to the hilt. Don't want to list any excuses as we all know what they are. If it were up to me I would give him at least another two transfer windows before sharpening the knife.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Just now, Thumbheed said:

I still can't peel myself away from the beleif that these injuries are front and centre as the reason we're playing the way we are. 

 

There's certainly questions to be asked about selction and lack of tactical flexibility at times but when your game is built primarily upon intensity and you can't maintain that due to lack of options off the bench then something will give.

 

Our form will not fully recover until we have people who can come off the bench and help maintain that intensity for the full 90 minutes.

It's the most physically intense league in the world. No team is winning without being at 90% physically, regardless of tactical approach.

[SUPERTOON]

It’s the first major bit of pressure he has faced here, it’s going to get worse the next 4 games as well.

[mush]

1 minute ago, pedro111 said:

I'm backing Howe to the hilt. Don't want to list any excuses as we all know what they are. If it were up to me I would give him at least another two transfer windows before sharpening the knife.

 

He gets the whole of next season, minimum, for me

[Ronson333]

I think he does need to rotate more, but let’s be honest, our champions league and caraboa cup draw were as tough as you can get. 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, mush said:

 

He gets the whole of next season, minimum, for me

Not for me - it’s still results-dependent.  If we finish mid table this year and we’re in a similar position around Xmas then I don’t see him being around. 

[Orphanage]

Expectation is the child of success ... 

[Ronaldo]

I think the biggest things for me are the midfield are far too easily played through, we’re incapable of slowing down a game and taking control / concentrating on possession without descending into a mess and conceding, and creatively it’s the same cut inside and overlap every time that’s become stale and predictable. It’s staggering to me we made little effort to sign players in the summer to improve us technically - especially in midfield and RW. I concede Tonali is a significant technical improvement on Longstaff but that’s not a high bar.

[Mikky]

6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I had my concerns about going balls deep with Howe ball in the summer. But most of those key players have been unavailable for various reasons so hard to say if it was the wrong route without hindsight. 
 

I think the Hall transfer was questionable at the time. Essentially secured Burn as first choice LB. 
 

Style of play sustainability wise. Lack of rotation. Lack of flexibility. These are my biggest systemic issues with Howe. 

Let this season play out and across then

 

The lack of a genuine 6 is a concern - we are too open 

 

Lack of discipline today - 46 mins are 1 with ball in the Forest box and we get countered on 

[OverThere]

Play 5 in midfield for a while, control the ball, stop the other team running straight at us. Eddie is looking frustratingly one dimensional. We also need more discipline as no one is staying home, all are pushed in the box and we are open to the counter

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by OverThere

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Orphanage said:

Expectation is the child of success ... 

Though the weird thing is that we might view Howe’s reign as successful to date and we’re calling for patience, because we know what we’ve been in the recent past.

 

It may be that the ownership don’t view it as successful on their own terms, and their expectation is for what they consider success, not us. 

[Ronson333]

1 minute ago, Ronaldo said:

I think the biggest things for me are the midfield are far too easily played through, we’re incapable of slowing down a game and taking control / concentrating on possession without descending into a mess and conceding, and creatively it’s the same cut inside and overlap every time that’s become stale and predictable. It’s staggering to me we made little effort to sign players in the summer to improve us technically - especially in midfield and RW. I concede Tonali is a significant technical improvement on Longstaff but that’s not a high bar.

Talking about slowing the game down, I still remember that Liverpool game when we tried it and they bloody came back to win the game with 10 men.