Eddie Howe

[Dr Jinx]

18 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

How about a co-manager?

Ha! No that doesn’t work as Liverpool found out way back when, but if I was running the club, I’d seriously look at having 2 elite managers on the books with a similar ethos in how a team should play, with some differences that would keep things fresh..

 

Say give 1 manager 2/3 seasons in the hot seat and have them go all out for success. Then change things up.. have the other man and his staff come in and take over for him to do 2/3.

 

While this is happening, manager 1 stays on the payroll and takes a different role with the club.. essentially doing what Eddie Howe did while he was unemployed.. become a student of the game again.. visit places and see new methods, maybe scout players. But ultimately having a rest and reversing that burn out that happens while you’re giving a job like that everything you have.

 

 

[Vinny Green Balls]

1 minute ago, Dr Jinx said:

Ha! No that doesn’t work as Liverpool found out way back when, but if I was running the club, I’d seriously look at having 2 elite managers on the books with a similar ethos in how a team should play, with some differences that would keep things fresh..

 

Say give 1 manager 2/3 seasons in the hot seat and have them go all out for success. Then change things up.. have the other man and his staff come in and take over for him to do 2/3.

 

While this is happening, manager 1 stays on the payroll and takes a different role with the club.. essentially doing what Eddie Howe did while he was unemployed.. become a student of the game again.. visit places and see new methods, maybe scout players. But ultimately having a rest and reversing that burn out that happens while you’re giving a job like that everything you have.

 

 

 i still hope you are kidding. That is ridiculous.

 

 

Edited February 5 by Vinny Green Balls

[Dr Jinx]

4 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

 i still hope you are kidding. That is ridiculous.

 

 

 

Why? It’s fairly well documented at this point that managers are getting totally burnt out by how intense a job like that is.. how many seasons can a manager give 100% like that before standards start to slip?

[Vinny Green Balls]

11 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

Why? It’s fairly well documented at this point that managers are getting totally burnt out by how intense a job like that is.. how many seasons can a manager give 100% like that before standards start to slip?

Why? It goes against the basics of psychology for a start. Try convincing an elite manager of this set up, let alone two. It also would likely just disrupt any continuity. Once again, I seriously hope that you are joking, because this is one of the most absurd suggestions I've seen yet. I also seriously hope that you know I was being sarcastic about the co-manager thing based on this suggestion. Jesus Christ, man.

[Zero]

If a manager can get burnt out just because the team is competing in Champions League, then he should be sacked. Simply as that. He is not up to the job.

 

 

Not saying Howe should be sacked, I don’t think he is burnt out anyway.

[aa5773]

29 minutes ago, Zero said:

If a manager can get burnt out just because the team is competing in Champions League, then he should be sacked. Simply as that. He is not up to the job.

 

 

Not saying Howe should be sacked, I don’t think he is burnt out anyway.

 

This type of posts (there are many example, I just choose the most recent one) are giving vibe that people are afraid to criticize Howe.

[timeEd32]

This thread has officially gone off the deep end.

[TheBrownBottle]

I used to manage two jobs on Champ Man - club and international.  And this Howe fella can’t manage just one?

 

Pah!  Doesn’t know he’s born

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, McDog said:

 

 

Yikes! Glad you are in a better place. 

 

 

Cheers mate  I am

[Zero]

16 minutes ago, aa5773 said:

 

This type of posts (there are many example, I just choose the most recent one) are giving vibe that people are afraid to criticize Howe.

 

Kinda. If I don’t add this line I would be accused of “please fire Howe” and have over 20+ response within 2 hours

[Interpolic]

11 hours ago, Dr Jinx said:

Ha! No that doesn’t work as Liverpool found out way back when, but if I was running the club, I’d seriously look at having 2 elite managers on the books with a similar ethos in how a team should play, with some differences that would keep things fresh..

 

Say give 1 manager 2/3 seasons in the hot seat and have them go all out for success. Then change things up.. have the other man and his staff come in and take over for him to do 2/3.

 

While this is happening, manager 1 stays on the payroll and takes a different role with the club.. essentially doing what Eddie Howe did while he was unemployed.. become a student of the game again.. visit places and see new methods, maybe scout players. But ultimately having a rest and reversing that burn out that happens while you’re giving a job like that everything you have.

 

 

 

 

Fuck that  Do people who come up with stuff like this not wonder why it has never been done before, or do they think they're innovators?

 

Anyway:

 

 

[Vinny Green Balls]

22 hours ago, aa5773 said:

 

This type of posts (there are many example, I just choose the most recent one) are giving vibe that people are afraid to criticize Howe.

 do you honestly think people are afraid to criticize Howe? People do it all the time here. Some on here could use seeing what a proper authoritarian system looks like when it comes to suppressing opinions.

[The Prophet]

Seen and heard a fair bit of reasoned criticism of Howe after Luton. Yet it's the folk that have jumped off at the deep end that seems to be doing the gaslighting.  Apparently you're a "happy clapper" for pointing out there has been shoots of positivity of late.

[Shearergol]

On 05/02/2024 at 01:50, Dr Jinx said:

Ha! No that doesn’t work as Liverpool found out way back when, but if I was running the club, I’d seriously look at having 2 elite managers on the books with a similar ethos in how a team should play, with some differences that would keep things fresh..

 

Say give 1 manager 2/3 seasons in the hot seat and have them go all out for success. Then change things up.. have the other man and his staff come in and take over for him to do 2/3.

 

While this is happening, manager 1 stays on the payroll and takes a different role with the club.. essentially doing what Eddie Howe did while he was unemployed.. become a student of the game again.. visit places and see new methods, maybe scout players. But ultimately having a rest and reversing that burn out that happens while you’re giving a job like that everything you have.

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

I’m curious to see how Howe will set us up on Satder vs Forest.  He absolutely nailed Villa away, in stark contrast to the cagey away performances we’d seen for most of the season.  I enjoyed the crackers nature of the Luton game, but I wonder if Howe might make us a bit more defensive again in reaction to it.  Hope not. 

 

My dad also told me Howe was getting a bit of stick vs Luton from a few vocal divvies in the Milburn.  He reckons Howe shook his head disappointedly at one point when he turned and heard a few shouts to change things up.  Seems incredible that he was getting grief to me.

[Wandy]

If you think the criticism has been bad on here, console yourself with the fact that it's not infested with complete cry babies like this place. https://www.not606.com/threads/toon-v-hatters.410988/page-10

 

To be fair though, reading across the various social media platforms, last weekend was the first time I've seen it being openly questioned whether Howe will still be the man in charge in a season or two.

[andycap]

I just think teams have worked us out. I don't know another team in the league with three centre mids that play that straight and it's causing us alsorts of bother, last year we kind of got away with it to a point but we can be got at to easy for my liking. I'd sit two midfielders and have bruno in a ten position. 

[Monters]

3 minutes ago, andycap said:

I just think teams have worked us out. I don't know another team in the league with three centre mids that play that straight and it's causing us alsorts of bother, last year we kind of got away with it to a point but we can be got at to easy for my liking. I'd sit two midfielders and have bruno in a ten position. 

Has Bruno played there before? Didn't really follow him before his Toon career but assumed he played behind Paquetta in France?

 

Also given the paucity of options are you playing Longstaff and Miley as the two sitters or is this a long term change of plan when we have more options \ signings?

 

Interested, not just trying to be critical 

[huss9]

38 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’m curious to see how Howe will set us up on Satder vs Forest.  He absolutely nailed Villa away, in stark contrast to the cagey away performances we’d seen for most of the season.  I enjoyed the crackers nature of the Luton game, but I wonder if Howe might make us a bit more defensive again in reaction to it.  Hope not. 

 

My dad also told me Howe was getting a bit of stick vs Luton from a few vocal divvies in the Milburn.  He reckons Howe shook his head disappointedly at one point when he turned and heard a few shouts to change things up.  Seems incredible that he was getting grief to me.

not acceptable but i can understand people's frustrations being 4-2 down home to luton before any changes got made.

especially when BDB was struggling against their winger all game.

as someone mentioned in the villa thread he also waited till after villa scored to change it.

its gonna start happening as the honeymoon period is over for many and the expectations rise.

 

still the man for the job here. yes he could be a bit more pro-active but he knows a hell of a lot more than us minions.

 

[The College Dropout]

13 minutes ago, huss9 said:

not acceptable but i can understand people's frustrations being 4-2 down home to luton before any changes got made.

especially when BDB was struggling against their winger all game.

as someone mentioned in the villa thread he also waited till after villa scored to change it.

its gonna start happening as the honeymoon period is over for many and the expectations rise.

 

still the man for the job here. yes he could be a bit more pro-active but he knows a hell of a lot more than us minions.

 

Any Newcastle manager is going to get stick 2-4 down at home to Luton tbf.

[TheBrownBottle]

35 minutes ago, Wandy said:

If you think the criticism has been bad on here, console yourself with the fact that it's not infested with complete cry babies like this place. https://www.not606.com/threads/toon-v-hatters.410988/page-10

 

To be fair though, reading across the various social media platforms, last weekend was the first time I've seen it being openly questioned whether Howe will still be the man in charge in a season or two.

Christ that’s some grim reading.  Like all good managers, Howe has deserved all the many plaudits he’s received, and the relatively few pieces of light criticism too.  But that reads like we’re managed by a PFM chancer on his last legs.  

[The College Dropout]

The lack of legs in midfield is a killer. But there's nowt he can do about that from a personnel perspective. Howe could try something different tactically to mitigate it... but he's not shifted shape in years.

[huss9]

47 minutes ago, Wandy said:

If you think the criticism has been bad on here, console yourself with the fact that it's not infested with complete cry babies like this place. https://www.not606.com/threads/toon-v-hatters.410988/page-10

 

To be fair though, reading across the various social media platforms, last weekend was the first time I've seen it being openly questioned whether Howe will still be the man in charge in a season or two.

its hard to argue with some of the points being made but its the vitriol and the manner in which its being done.

there will come a time when its acceptable for our expectations to rise beyond a team that just tries. we will eventually need to start winning things or at least be there or thereabouts.

maybe just a bit too soon for it all now though. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, huss9 said:

its hard to argue with some of the points being made but its the vitriol and the manner in which its being done.

there will come a time when its acceptable for our expectations to rise beyond a team that just tries. we will eventually need to start winning things or at least be there or thereabouts.

maybe just a bit too soon for it all now though. 

Yeah, I don’t think that point is too far away tbh.  We’ll hit a brick wall with commercials etc soon without being a genuinely successful side - I can’t see us spending the same as we have the last two years (over £400m) in the next two and being comfortable with see-sawing around the top half and flirting with the bottom half.

 

Howe needs to be given time to show that he can learn from mistakes and I remain confident that he can.  I hope that the idea of pushing him out isn’t even entertained this season.  I do think next season is a crunch one for him though. 

[80]

8 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yeah, I don’t think that point is too far away tbh.  We’ll hit a brick wall with commercials etc soon without being a genuinely successful side - I can’t see us spending the same as we have the last two years (over £400m) in the next two and being comfortable with see-sawing around the top half and flirting with the bottom half.

 

Howe needs to be given time to show that he can learn from mistakes and I remain confident that he can.  I hope that the idea of pushing him out isn’t even entertained this season.  I do think next season is a crunch one for him though. 

Yeah, this is where I'm at. I think almost anything is permissable this season given the highs we've had already and the injuries we've endured along with Tonali's situation etc. I'd hope to see signs of maturity next season though, assuming he has a reasonably free hand in the transfer market this summer.

 

I've said for about 12 months now that this season was going to be about learning lessons from loads of new experiences it would bring - for everyone in the club. So long as they're learned from, everything is forgivable.