Eddie Howe

[gbandit]

Would retch until I couldn’t breathe if that happened 

[ShootShoot]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

I think people are just generally happy with the match yesterday. If you're not fair enough and it's a shame, but nothing wrong with that at all, or being argumentative towards people pissing on their chips, intentionally or not. 

Ffs ive already said i enjoyed the result as opposed to the performance

[Ikon]

Don’t care what side poster X or poster Y is on or whatever the opinion is. You’re  like fucking children some of you.  If you can’t respect one and another no matter if you agree or disagree then just ignore. There’s idiots on both “sides” that really need to grow up and give their heads a shake. Enjoy your day off, I will. Peace! 

[Theregulars]

[Theregulars]

2 minutes ago, ShootShoot said:

Ffs ive already said i enjoyed the result as opposed to the performance

If this is enjoyment for you then I’d love to be a fly on the wall during one of your down days. 

[ShootShoot]

4 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

It’s difficult as I’m not convinced you can read, but, in a nutshell, my arguments are that your interpretations of the match and the manager’s performance and strengths are unrealistic, not supported by evidence, tainted by needless negativity because you don’t have adequate emotional control / cognition and that, all things considered, the manager is doing a good job with heavily depleted resources and an unusually concentrated amount of misfortune / difficult circumstances. If you take the simple fact that the team is literally worse than the one we put out most weeks last year, is it not surprising that we’re not as good as last year? Could it be possible - at all conceivable - that you’re just upset that the team isn’t doing as well and you are taking that out on the one thing you can without any real cost or consequence? It’s painful watching tbh. 

I havent said anything about us not being as good as last year . I have merely expressed concern at defensive frailties which see us regularly shipping goals at home to average teams 

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

There a press conference today?

No it was after West Ham game. There’s a short clip on nufc.co.uk

[ShootShoot]

1 minute ago, Theregulars said:

If this is enjoyment for you then I’d love to be a fly on the wall during one of your down days. 

Its called being a realist 

[Collage]

Eddie is the second coming of Keegan and I love him. But God knows Keegan had his flaws too.

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, ShootShoot said:

You think  your opinion is worth more than anyone elses ? Thats some ego youve got 

gbandit is the ? around here, show some respect 

[Kid Icarus]

5 minutes ago, ShootShoot said:

Ffs ive already said i enjoyed the result as opposed to the performance

 

Okay, well whatever this is then.

[80]

6 minutes ago, LiquidAK said:

Criticising Howe is fine, genuinely, if it's actually well-reasoned and thought out.

 

I find the concept that so many of our issues are really obvious and easily solved to be complete nonsense though and based on a completely outdated view of football. It's so much more complex now in terms of the sheer amount of data available on players form, fitness, conditioning etc. that the management team will have access to and your man at a keyboard will not, than it even was 10 years ago.

 

The "Howe should just do X, it's so obvious" crowd are living in the past tbh. If it was that simple, we would have done it. Either you think Howe is an idiot who is missing what everyone else can all see, or the decisions are a bit more complex than you appreciate. Any "obvious" decision to fix problem X will have a knock-on effect on Y, but there seems to be zero recognition of that, or of the fact that if the management team aren't making that "obvious" decision there is probably a pretty fucking good reason why not. Almost every decision Howe makes is going to have to be an educated gamble, nothing is certain in football. If the solutions were such sure things then we obviously would've enacted them. If we haven't, it's probably not because Howe is thick, it just might be that there are a million other factors going into that decision which all have a weight. 

There's a lot of truth in what you say, but this attitude is manna from heaven for the Pardews of the world and similar such charlatans, so has to be handled with extreme caution.

 

Ironically, it's the same attitude that leads to people thinking our government is staffed with Very Substantial People grappling with Very Important Matters.

[LiquidAK]

Just now, 80 said:

There's a lot of truth in what you say, but this attitude is manna from heaven for the Pardews of the world and similar such charlatans, so has to be handled with extreme caution.

 

Ironically, it's the same attitude that leads to people thinking our government is staffed with Very Substantial People grappling with Very Important Matters.

 

Sure, it doesn't apply to every manager. A Steve Bruce for example, I'd assume he's probably just incompetent. Same with the Tories, but add a little "just evil" into the mix as well. Howe has absolutely done enough to make the default assumption be that he's not an idiot though.

[STM]

1 minute ago, 80 said:

There's a lot of truth in what you say, but this attitude is manna from heaven for the Pardews of the world and similar such charlatans, so has to be handled with extreme caution.

 

Ironically, it's the same attitude that leads to people thinking our government is staffed with Very Substantial People grappling with Very Important Matters.

 

The point you make is a good one but if anyone can watch Eddie speak and not know they are in good hands I'm not sure they can be helped.

 

He's the real deal.

[Theregulars]

4 minutes ago, ShootShoot said:

Its called being a realist 

I profoundly disagree with you. It’s being miserable and unduly focused on negatives. 
 

Either way, as you’ve so eloquently said, your opinion is yours and you’re entitled to it. Have fun with it.

[KaKa]

27 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

No issue with different opinions; just those which have no basis in reality but which are persistently rehashed with a misplaced certainty and confidence.

 

I don't understand why they don't get this 

 

Nah, they're just keeping it real and demanding better standards, unlike you happy clappers!

 

Lord give me strength!

[80]

Just now, LiquidAK said:

 

Sure, it doesn't apply to every manager. A Steve Bruce for example, I'd assume he's probably just incompetent. Same with the Tories, but add a little "just evil" into the mix as well. Howe has absolutely done enough to make the default assumption be that he's not an idiot though.

Certainly agree on the Howe point. It's just that there are probably some exceptions to the default, but we're still working out what exactly they are I suppose.

[LiquidAK]

In a long list of tiresome bullshit, I think "negativity = grown-up" might be topping my list these days.

 

(not aimed at 80, posts just lined up that way)

 

 

Edited April 1 by LiquidAK

[Abacus]

11 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Wish you would sack Howe. We could turf Ten Hag and get the gang back together in Manchester. 

 

 

A master at his craft. 

 

In real life, I'd bet there's not more than 1 in a hundred people here that would want rid of Howe, and each of that minority need a crane kick to come their senses.

 

Criticism is fine, of course - it's a discussion board after all, and the best managers always have coaches that will challenge them. Not that we're coaches, just a bunch of well-meaning idiots myself included, which should probably be the subtitle of this forum.

[toon25]

39 minutes ago, ShootShoot said:

Reminded of Thatcher outside Downing St being questionned about the Belgrano getting torpedoed - " Just Rejoice " 

Its not wrong to focus on an ongoing problem in the shape of the defence as opposed to trying to ignore it 

 

 

[80]

1 minute ago, LiquidAK said:

In a long list of tiresome bullshit, I think "negativity = grown-up" might be topping my list these days.

 

(not aimed at 80, posts just lined up that way)

 

 

 

Didn't take it that way

[LiquidAK]

Just now, 80 said:

Didn't take it that way

Good, I hit post and your post appeared above it so wanted to make sure it wasn't misconstrued

[KaKa]

27 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

I don't think there's a better alternative right now than Eddie but christ let's not pretend he's perfect. It's okay to question him (and any future manager) just as we questioned KK, SBR & Rafa before him.

 

Once again, no one is saying he's perfect. And absolutely no manager is by the way.

 

The issue is the constant nit picking over everything and making out he's some sort of clueless idiot, which is the real issue here.

 

Despite his imperfections he's done great work and continues to do so despite some challenges this season. 

 

And looking at his approach to things it is very likely he will continue to learn and improve on things going forward.

 

This is not the calibre of manager or person to disregard so willy nilly.

 

 

[Dokko]

2 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Once again, no one is saying he's perfect. And absolutely no manager is by the way.

 

The issue is the constant nit picking over everything and making out he's some sort of clueless idiot, which is the real issue here.

 

Despite his imperfections he's done great work and continues to do so despite some challenges this season. 

 

And looking at his approach to things it is very likely he will continue to learn and improve on things going forward.

 

This is not the calibre of manager or person to disregard so willy nilly.

 

 

 

This is the only doubt I have about him. When I look at this season, I don't see it. 

 

I think we may need some outside influence in the backroom staff, show other ways of working.  

[SUPERTOON]

27 minutes ago, gbandit said:

There’s not a single person on the forum that thinks we’re doing well defensively. A lot of people understand this is due to major injuries.
 

Some think that’s to do with Howe overworking players, others think it’s a balance of bad lack and overworking. Some recognise the overworking has been necessary.

 

Should we play a different system of football? Fuck knas, if we play with a low block it changes our philosophy and everything about how we play. Howe has opted to play the same way, likely because of his philosophy and also because fundamentally changing how we play with a bunch of new players would cause major problems. 
 

These circular arguments are a waste of everyone’s time. Just enjoy Easter and if you cant switch off or enjoy that win then find a hobby 

We did this very successfully with lesser players from about January onwards in his first season. I have been wondering why we haven’t tried it this season.