Eddie Howe

[Erikse]

1 minute ago, JEToon said:

 

He's not getting 30 minutes each game, his average for the season has been closer to 50 minutes a game, factoring in his return from a long time off and late start to the season and lack of a true preseason it's not a great shock his minutes are slightly down relative to others, he doesn't simply sit on the bench 

 

In a league where sides throw all subs on the park most games, yes, players will in this day and age be down from averaging 90 minutes a game 

 

My use of "currently" was meant to mean right now. I guess next weekend will be quite telling. He might make changes after a performance like that.

[JEToon]

Just now, Erikse said:

 

My use of "currently" was meant to mean right now. I guess next weekend will be quite telling. He might make changes after a performance like that.

 

We aren't playing right now.  I expect he will make changes yes, football is a squad game, managers rarely simply run the same 11 into the ground for 90 minutes each week. 

[TRon]

37 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Agree we were very unlucky last season. Injuries, the penalty farce in Paris, plus what you've mentioned.

 

However this season hasn't been a bad luck story, it's just been bang average, results and performances.

 

There were plenty of legitimate reasons for last seasons downturn but there isn't for what's happened so far this season.

 

I also think that losing his 2 biggest allies in Amanda and Mehrdad might be telling.

 

Looking at the team yesterday and the subs, I was thinking to myself, that is one hell of a strong bench. Not many teams could boast Tonali, Barnes, Wilson and Almiron on theirs, that's for sure. You could write it off as a bad day, but we've had far too many already this season.

 

There's still time to turn it around with everyone beating everyone, but we can't afford to be losing to too many shit teams second half of the season. The teams that qualify for Europe will be the ones who can figure out a consistent and effective style of play.

[Erikse]

5 minutes ago, JEToon said:

 

We aren't playing right now.  I expect he will make changes yes, football is a squad game, managers rarely simply run the same 11 into the ground for 90 minutes each week. 

 

True, but Howe isn't known to rotate all that much either. He often prefers to stick with the same team. A bad performance could ofcourse change it.

[Yorkie]

1 hour ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Do you think the money we spent then had zero impact on PSR that we whinge about all the time? Do you think the two players whom cost the most money yet the manager does not regularly pick to be in his starting XI 18 months on have been good buys? Do you think those signings have improved the team from 2022-23?

 

We've been over this before like you say so I won't labour the point, but in summary my view is that the 23/24 summer window was a good one, which was completely undermined by not supplementing it in 24/25. The jury's out on Tonali but the rest were all good signings. 

 

PSR is a cunt, btw. It shouldn't exist. It's not a minor inconvenience which we whinge about, as if our problems are of our own making. It's inherently keeping us at arms length. 

[KaKa]

3 hours ago, joeyt said:

 

Bruno played at the base of midfield in the 4th place season despite Shelvey being here for the first half of that

 

When Shelvey was in the first team with Bruno he played at the base with Bruno higher up.

[HaydnNUFC]

5 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

We've been over this before like you say so I won't labour the point, but in summary my view is that the 23/24 summer window was a good one, which was completely undermined by not supplementing it in 24/25. The jury's out on Tonali but the rest were all good signings. 

 

PSR is a cunt, btw. It shouldn't exist. It's not a minor inconvenience which we whinge about, as if our problems are of our own making. It's inherently keeping us at arms length. 

 

We knew about the rules from the outset and haven't managed it well though, imo. We've been poor sellers since the takeover and that the recruitment strategy was criticised by the current DOF in public should speak enough volumes, not excusing the shambles of a summer window we've just had.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by HaydnNUFC

[timeEd32]

40 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

We've been over this before like you say so I won't labour the point, but in summary my view is that the 23/24 summer window was a good one, which was completely undermined by not supplementing it in 24/25. The jury's out on Tonali but the rest were all good signings. 

 

PSR is a cunt, btw. It shouldn't exist. It's not a minor inconvenience which we whinge about, as if our problems are of our own making. It's inherently keeping us at arms length. 

 

The two are inextricably linked though. We sold two players, bought a useless keeper above his market value, and no one else because of how much we spent and the lack of sales the previous summer/January.

[Erikse]

5 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

 

The two are inextricably linked though. We sold two players, bought a useless keeper above his market value, and no one else because of how much we spent and the lack of sales the previous summer/January.

 

And apparfently we will still have problems in january, seemingly having to sell if we buy.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Erikse

[Wolfcastle]

Tonali and Barnes were fine additions to the building of a club going to the top - supplemented with more of the same over following seasons changing the whole squad to top rank.

For a club that basically cant go beyond 7th with all things being equal they weren't good signings, bit on the luxurious side rather than the smarter business of earlier

[Keggy_Keagal]

35 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

And apparfently we will still have problems in january, seemingly having to sell if we buy.

 

 

 

How can we be this up against it? This would be the third window with very little movements regards to incoming players. We were chasing a 60-70 million centre half in July . 

[Erikse]

6 minutes ago, Keggy_Keagal said:

How can we be this up against it? This would be the third window with very little movements regards to incoming players. We were chasing a 60-70 million centre half in July . 

 

I don't really know myself, but look at the last discussion in the NUFC specific FFP/PSR discussion thread. It's apparently about amortization from old transfers and wages being about even with our income, and that we would be relying on selling if we got Guehi in the summer. Also there were some talk of us actually bidding less for Guehi than what was reported. Didn't someone inside the club state that? Don't remember tbh. Not sure how much of this is true.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Erikse

[Barnes23]

6 hours ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

You'd probably be looking at foreign managers that are out of work. Potter would be a sideways step at best. If and when we replace Howe it has to be an upgrade/elite but I couldn't give you any names that are that without a load of research into it.

 

I think most people would be hard pushed to provide a name that is both credible and exciting and that kind of tells a story tbh. I don't think there is anyone obvious out there at all, and so parting ways with Howe would represent an even bigger risk than in other circumstances. 

[timeEd32]

11 minutes ago, Keggy_Keagal said:

How can we be this up against it? This would be the third window with very little movements regards to incoming players. We were chasing a 60-70 million centre half in July . 

 

Three windows is a misleading way to look at it. We spent a lot in 2022/23 and a lot in 2023/24 with only a modest amount of sales. The players we signed in 2021/22 are also still included in our amortisation number plus ever increasing wages.

 

So those three windows are the January of a year where we spent a lot and then the summer + January of the same accounting year.

[Sibierski]

4 hours ago, Sempiternal said:

The transfer window is more responsible for that than Eddie. Buying a striker that can barely get on the pitch for 5 mins, Kelly who is very very average. No improvement in the first team. Stand still you go backwards 

Wasn’t Kelly a Howe signing and Osula a Tindall recommended signing? 
 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

3 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

I fucking hope not. That would be terrible. 

you know what? I don’t think it would be.

 

yes it would be short term, 2 seasons max but he’d get us top 4 and a cup before it goes wrong.

 

of course when it goes wrong it will absolutely implode mind 

[Lush Vlad]

5 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

you know what? I don’t think it would be.

 

yes it would be short term, 2 seasons max but he’d get us top 4 and a cup before it goes wrong.

 

of course when it goes wrong it will absolutely implode mind 

I don’t think he’s what he used to be at all and the game has now evolved past what he brings. Not a chance he’s this automatic trophy manager now, either. Didn’t manage it at Spurs and they’re less cursed than us, for example. 
 

He’d fuck off all the fans and everyone else involved with the club in no time. The football would be woeful. The transfer dealings terrible and it would set us back long term, not help us. 
 

If we are planning on getting rid of Howe should results and the league position not improve from last season. Then I’d hope to fuck we have a better plan than appointing this cunt. 

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, JEToon said:

 

I can't go this level of hyperbole, I know people think going incredibly over the top on their point think it adds value to their point, but it really doesn't. 

 

We had a paper thin squad with a serious lack of quality when it came to home grown English players which would have been detrimental to our squad when it came to the Champions League. 

 

We added two fullbacks who will serve us for likely the best part of 10 years, and signed a by league standards, relatively cheap proven English player who has been, and will continue to be more than serviceable as part of our squad. 

 

We signed an Italian international for a fee that most would have said was exceptional value at the time relative to what comparable players of his talent move for. 

 

We have since sold a player for a profit of about 30 million who was signed in that window. 

 

The notion those transactions are reckless is hyperbolic nonsense 

 

This notion we are going to be where we want to be by simply making bargain bin basement additions some seem to cling to as a comfort blanket that we can beat PSR, is I am afraid not reality, we have to add quality players and they will cost money 

 

We are trying to thread a very thin needle, literally as a consequence of the leagues choice to try and keep us nailed to the floor, none of this was ever going to be as simple a process as some seem to think. 

 

 

 

Probably going to have to get your head around the fact that we’re not signing players with a view to them being here in ten years’ time.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Keggy_Keagal said:

How can we be this up against it? This would be the third window with very little movements regards to incoming players. We were chasing a 60-70 million centre half in July . 

We would’ve needed to recoup before the 30th June.  Just like this year.  We’re maxed out on the FFP credit card. 

[SUPERTOON]

Mourinho would be a disaster here, he’s been finished for years. Would swiftly lose interest if he ever gets the job.

[Ronaldo]

4 hours ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Please, no.

I’d rather Mancini. 

Ruthless fucker - we’ll never see Almiron, Wilson, Lascelles etc ever again. 

[HaydnNUFC]

14 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

I’d rather Mancini. 

Ruthless fucker - we’ll never see Almiron, Wilson, Lascelles etc ever again. 

 

Out of the out of work managers that are available as I type this in a totally hypothetical scenario where we are looking for a replacement for Howe (as I think Howe's got the season unless we don't win the League Cup and linger in the bottom half for a sizeable period), after reading a bit up about him from over the years in the Athletic from James Horncastle I'd try for Allegri. Built 3 teams at Juve and there's misconceptions about his style of play, especially from his first spell. However I'm unsure if he'd manage outside of Italy for the first time here and I don't think the club would go for him anyway.

 

 

Edited 29 minutes ago by HaydnNUFC

[cannybagoftudor]

If and its a big if - there are noises about removing Eddie then my (albeit fanciful) pick would be Simeone.  However luring him here would be expensive and I have no idea if he would be interested - just think he would fit.

[HaydnNUFC]

4 minutes ago, cannybagoftudor said:

If and its a big if - there are noises about removing Eddie then my (albeit fanciful) pick would be Simeone.  However luring him here would be expensive and I have no idea if he would be interested - just think he would fit.

 

Absolutely zero chance. Signed a new contract at Atleti only last year and can't see him managing anyone else, let alone us.

 

 

Edited 30 minutes ago by HaydnNUFC

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