Eddie Howe

[et tu brute]

7 minutes ago, LFEE said:

We were up against the best HOME team in the division so was always going to be a tough game. As is any away game in the EPL.

Only because they haven't played one of the top teams at home yet. In fact they have only played Bournemouth in 10th out of the top ten

 

 

Edited December 7 by et tu brute

[TRon]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Agreed.  But we are only 3 points short of 7/8. Hardly enough to sack the manager. 
 

If people work even let Howe finish a season or at least look hopeless before wanting him gone. We’ll never have any patience. 

 

Howe's not going to get sacked this season, and I have said enough times that shouldn't happen. Even the CL spots are still up for grabs at this stage so in theory it can still all turn around.

 

But in my opinion with every shit team we drop points to, it becomes harder and harder to make Europe. We had a relatively easy start to the season, but we've performed badly. I expected us to be competing with Villa and Spurs for those European places, at this moment it looks like we are competing with Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham and Brighton as well. Then to make matters worse, when we play them we don't look better either.

[Weezertron]

1 minute ago, LFEE said:

Schar getting unfairly sent off? We were better than Spurs. Bournemouth handball decision was correct. Can’t recall much go for us this season.

I'm just playing devils advocate. I remember not deserving to get results in the first handful of games in the season, but we did.

 

Your argument isn't one I'm interested in at all tbh. Talking about the rub of the green and that. 

 

I'm not even Howe out btw. 

[LFEE]

4 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Disagree that we were better than Spurs. Second half we were giving the ball away for fun. Were lucky to win that imo.

 

The nick for the equaliser at Wolves is one thing from the top of my head.

We did but they did nothing with it.

 

Similar v Wolves. We actually had the better chances and Barnes should’ve won it 1-3. 
 

Neither games were a robbery. Tight yes but if watched with a fresh perspective neither Spurs or Wolves we’re all that.

[Joe1984]

1 hour ago, Erikse said:

 

Going by that logic you can never sack Eddie unless you're fighting relegation.. I'd give him a little more time, and if that fucks up our season, so be it. But I don't think that he's irreplaceable.

 

 

 

No my logic was why would an elite manager join a club not in Europe and sitting 12th in the league?

 

You can talk about Elite managers all day long. They may not want to come here.

 

Of course Eddie is replaceable, everyone is.

[midds]

First 4 games of the season we collected 10 points and no-one could believe it, it was wizardry and an open joke. It took another 11 games to get the next 10 points with lots of (perfectly valid) criticism thrown in too. We've been poor for the majority of the season and it's been a familiar story. It poses the question 'If Howe was capable of solving the issues then why hasn't he?' Most on here, myself included, love the bloke and respect what he's achieved but he's now seen the problem and hasn't come close to fixing it yet. This is his job, to get his team up and running and functioning and it's just not. We get the odd 20/30 minutes of good play and then it slips back into the same things we've seen for months. If he could fix it then why is it still the same more often than not, that's the key point for me. 

[HaydnNUFC]

6 minutes ago, LFEE said:

We did but they did nothing with it.

 

Similar v Wolves. We actually had the better chances and Barnes should’ve won it 1-3. 
 

Neither games were a robbery. Tight yes but if watched with a fresh perspective neither Spurs or Wolves we’re all that.

 

Our 2 goals were 2 long range efforts, one deflected, at Wolves before not fashioning a clear cut chance despite having most of the possession in the first half. I was amazed we won that.

 

We weren't playing well or good to watch early season and still aren't in December.

[KaKa]

28 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Agreed but their leadership has been better than ours for the last 2 years.  Most of them have built better profiled squads and the atmosphere around their clubs are better.  
Brighton have so many RWs that the one on loan at Leicester would probably start for us.  
 

You have a squad. Some players won’t be maximised.  Slot is doing better than Klopp with the same squad.  Was Klopp doing a bad job?

 

 

I don’t think Howe is getting every decision right.  Didn’t understand why Tonali didn’t start.  I think the deficiencies  in the atmosphere and the squad is highlighting his own deficiencies.  Since we’ve started shipping goals we’ve not been able to stop that or when we have, not been able to score.  For loads of spells I don’t think we look a well coached team.   
 

But I don’t think Howe is the biggest problem. And if he had a balanced squad - I think he would do better. 
 

Uktimateky I think he’ll carry the can eventually and pay for it with his job. Mitchell will hope that bides him some time to get a better squad together and that we can spend more. 

 

The squad we have built over the last two years is very much his. He has said he is happy with the business they have done regarding transfers. I find it strange the idea he's been let down in this area.

 

Ultimately, the way the squad has been put together has ended up causing him big problems. For the last two years at least there have been numerous complaints on here regarding not addressing the right wing, and also not addressing how open our midfield looks defensively. Neither of these issues have been addressed with adequate signings, or tactical adjustments.

 

This season we have largely continued to play the same formation with Bruno playing most often in front of the defence in a single pivot. I find that extraordinary to be honest. 

[TRon]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

The squad we have built over the last two years is very much his. He has said he is happy with the business they have done regarding transfers. I find it strange the idea he's been let down in this area.

 

Ultimately, the way the squad has been put together has ended up causing him big problems. For the last two years at least there have been numerous complaints on here regarding not addressing the right wing, and also not addressing how open our midfield looks defensively. Neither of these issues have been addressed with adequate signings, or tactical adjustments.

 

This season we have largely continued to play the same formation with Bruno playing most often in front of the defence in a single pivot. I find that extraordinary to be honest. 

 

 

It's Eddie's squad for better or worse. We've made some great signings under his watch, so not sure why anyone would dispute it. But it's not right to criticise those above him for backing or lack of. We've ended up almost getting points deducted for pushing PSR limits, so to say we haven't backed him is ludicrous.

[LFEE]

13 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Our 2 goals were 2 long range efforts, one deflected, at Wolves before not fashioning a clear cut chance despite having most of the possession in the first half. I was amazed we won that.

 

We weren't playing well or good to watch early season and still aren't in December.

Who is in the league this season? Only Liverpool and Chelsea I feel have anything about them with Arsenal close behind. 17 other teams are just beating up each other.

[Wallsendmag]

He's overseen the rise and now he's overseeing the decline. I said on here after the Brighton game (and it's the only time I've ever said it) but I felt he'd taken this team as far as he could and it would be downhill from here on in.

 

Last season was poor, but there was mitigating circumstances. European distractions and injuries, plus Tonali. This season the fixture list is light and the injuries have been few. Only really Botman missing out of regular 1st teamers, maybe Wilson but Isak plays ahead of him anyway. Performances are even worse than last season though and worse still we've gone from having the tightest defence 2 years ago to leaking goals left, right and centre.

 

We aren't going down. We aren't qualifying for Europe. Personally I'd keep him till the end of the season and then shake his hand and pay him off. I actually think that's what they'll do as well. I think they'll try for Mourinho and I also think he'd walk here from Turkey for a job he's always wanted.

 

My choice however would be Iraola at Bournemouth. He's different class and I'd love to see what he could do with a bigger budget.

[Terrymac1966]

Liverpool had a plan to change manager and it worked lets follow suit

 

[Sibierski]

Need the new CEO in urgently. All well good club saying a lack of one won’t effect January plans, but it will. If there’s doubts about Howe for 25/26, then that’s going to impact January. 

[Miggys First Goal]

I don’t think he’ll be here at the start of next season. 

[Yorkie]

5 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

Last season was poor, but

 

A season bettered only by those under Keegan, Robson and Howe himself, but aye alright. 

[et tu brute]

4 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

A season bettered only by those under Keegan, Robson and Howe himself, but aye alright. 

You forgot the king 🤣

[Ellis H]

8 points off 4th, an FA Cup final away from Europe and averaging 2.5 goals a game is near miraculous considering the circumstances. How spoiled are we that it’s considered underachieving?

[DiddyLevine]

7 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

Need the new CEO in urgently. All well good club saying a lack of one won’t effect January plans, but it will. If there’s doubts about Howe for 25/26, then that’s going to impact January. 

With Eales stepping down due to ill health , who exactly is in charge ?

Maybe a reason why Eddies not getting pushed till the end of the season ?

[nufcjmc]

Just now, Ellis H said:

8 points off 4th, an FA Cup final away from Europe and averaging 2.5 goals a game is near miraculous considering the circumstances. How spoiled are we that it’s considered underachieving?

That quote only a few weeks ago would have been 3 or 4 points off the gap is widening and the performances are consistently inconsistent 

[dcmk]

41 minutes ago, midds said:

First 4 games of the season we collected 10 points and no-one could believe it, it was wizardry and an open joke. It took another 11 games to get the next 10 points with lots of (perfectly valid) criticism thrown in too. We've been poor for the majority of the season and it's been a familiar story. It poses the question 'If Howe was capable of solving the issues then why hasn't he?' Most on here, myself included, love the bloke and respect what he's achieved but he's now seen the problem and hasn't come close to fixing it yet. This is his job, to get his team up and running and functioning and it's just not. We get the odd 20/30 minutes of good play and then it slips back into the same things we've seen for months. If he could fix it then why is it still the same more often than not, that's the key point for me. 

Isn't the obvious answer is the squad is stale.  It had no investment in the summer.  We also have players which should have been moved on along time ago now.

 

Transfer window was chaotic.  The background changes were chaotic.  

 

It all adds up.

[El Prontonise]

8 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

A season bettered only by those under Keegan, Robson and Howe himself, but aye alright. 

 

You forgot 

 

Also Glenn Roeder got us to same position in 7th.

[Mike]

2 hours ago, Pokerprince2004 said:

Starting to sound a bit like Alan Pardew 👀

 

 

 

I love eddie but We was done in by the weather is worrying.

[Ellis H]

4 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

That quote only a few weeks ago would have been 3 or 4 points off the gap is widening and the performances are consistently inconsistent 

That was last season. We’re currently 5 points off 5/6th which is fine in December. Long term? We’ll see.

[El Prontonise]

Do think today is probably when he's lost quite a bit of the fanbase.  This season hasn't been good enough.

[cannybagoftudor]

IMHO the players who ran through brick walls for Eddie have stopped doing so. The passion is not there - I think there is more than just a "change the manager" scenario going on. My belief is not all is well behind the scenes - we have heard Trippier is in a bit of personal bother - Mitchel will need time to bed in his ideas - and dare I say it - I don't think Eddie and his backroom team are part of that. Love him and mad eye but perhaps it is the right time for change.