Eddie Howe

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

He still HAS the chance tbf. Assuming his reputation wasn't built on Ashworth levels of smoke and mirrors.

That’s what I meant, typo. 

[Matt1892]

22 minutes ago, Terrymac1966 said:

Why is Mitchell getting shit?

Because people don’t want to hold Howe responsible for our poor season so far.

[nufcjmc]

When you look at the individual players in the squad and how "good" they can perform how long before we start saying he's lost them? 

I dunno if it's arrogance they feel they have "made it". Did they believe the now seemly lie that with a fully fit squad they now top 7 already? 

 

How he exactly changes the mindset or stops the rot i have no idea. I know some of his favourites may end up finding their starts massively reduced with a new manager coach arriving. It's frustrating when you hear the likes of Gordan and big joe say how well they regard the manager that they are playing their way to his downfall. Although I fear for big joe he's masking a bad shoulder problem all that strapping and him going down and holding it can't be a good thing. 

[DiddyLevine]

Food for thought

 

 

[OverThere]

Yup, looks like we have to start trading to refresh the squad 

[Tonalis Bookie]

the guy who spent 15m on Ibe in 2016 and 13m on lloyd kelly in 2019 and wanted to spend over 30m on calvert lewin in the summer shouldnt be anywhere near the transfer room

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

the guy who spent 15m on Ibe in 2016 and 13m on lloyd kelly in 2019 and wanted to spend over 30m on calvert lewin in the summer shouldnt be anywhere near the transfer room

 

What about literally every single other signing he's made?  

[Tonalis Bookie]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

What about literally every single other signing he's made?  

 

it fits a narrative to discredit his influence on many 

[wyn davies]

I believe if we stay with Howe , January comes and goes and remain in roughly same situation, minus European competition, was does that tell you about the owners, they take the gamble he can still do it, or they're saving wedge on a compensation package bearing in mind I'm  not sure when his contract is up.

[J7]

We’re not going to do anything in January, let’s be honest. We’d probably need to sell someone from a position of weakness, then overspend. 

[DiddyLevine]

29 minutes ago, wyn davies said:

I believe if we stay with Howe , January comes and goes and remain in roughly same situation, minus European competition, was does that tell you about the owners, they take the gamble he can still do it, or they're saving wedge on a compensation package bearing in mind I'm  not sure when his contract is up.

Tbf Botmans back by then which may solve any defensive issues . Doubt hes getting the push until end of this season . With Eales out whos effectively in charge to make that call anyway ? 

 

[Superior Acuña]

Having hardly spent the last two windows surely we have room to sign players without selling? I don’t understand 

[PauloGeordio]

[Keegans Export]

22 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

Having hardly spent the last two windows surely we have room to sign players without selling? I don’t understand 

It's the double-edged sword of amortisation. 

 

We sign Isak for £65m, but only £13m of that goes on the books for that season (assuming a 5 year deal). That's where the whole "sell £20m worth of players and you could spend £100m replacing them because of amortisation!"

 

The downside is that £13m is going to be on the next years books too. And the one after that. And so on.

 

The amortisation of every player we've signed since the takeover is still being taken into account, so even though we haven't spent much, the money we did spend is still affecting our PSR position. 

 

Just Botman, Bruno, Tonali, Isak, Gordon and Barnes is roughly (very roughly) £55m/year plus wages

[Fak]

27 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

Having hardly spent the last two windows surely we have room to sign players without selling? I don’t understand 

I think so. But then again did we not buy in the last two windows + desperately flog Anderson & Minted so we could just about break even? I’ve no idea. 

[Bimpy474]

2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

What about literally every single other signing he's made?  

 

That's the problem, when you want the manager gone you just focus on the poor signings, not Isak, Bruno, Botman, Hall, Tino, and the job Burn, Tripps, Pope and others have done in the first couple of seasons (i must have missed someone). I suppose as we've been poor, that's not a surprise. 

[Bimpy474]

5 hours ago, Matt1892 said:

Because people don’t want to hold Howe responsible for our poor season so far.

 

This is a fair point. I'm definitely behind Eddie still, but he has to take responsibility. The major thing for me is his lack of changing system, it almost always 4-3-3, and when we play poorly as far as i recall, we've gone 4-4-2 and it's not worked.  I wish he would be more flexible, especially in game. I fear ultimately that will be his downfall if we don't evolve and tweak things, i hope not obviously.

[Erikse]

19 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

It's the double-edged sword of amortisation. 

 

We sign Isak for £65m, but only £13m of that goes on the books for that season (assuming a 5 year deal). That's where the whole "sell £20m worth of players and you could spend £100m replacing them because of amortisation!"

 

The downside is that £13m is going to be on the next years books too. And the one after that. And so on.

 

The amortisation of every player we've signed since the takeover is still being taken into account, so even though we haven't spent much, the money we did spend is still affecting our PSR position. 

 

Just Botman, Bruno, Tonali, Isak, Gordon and Barnes is roughly (very roughly) £55m/year plus wages

 

The grim part is that we're not getting out of that anytime soon, it will still be maxed out in the windows after that unless we start selling. And sticking with the same team every season obviously doesn't work, especially when our squad is this old. Our players of value are mostly just the purples, hence why selling a purple seems more and more like something that just has to be done if we want to evolve..

 

 

Edited December 8 by Erikse

[DiddyLevine]

1 hour ago, Superior Acuña said:

Having hardly spent the last two windows surely we have room to sign players without selling? I don’t understand 

Yep where has the £70M for Guehi disappeared to ?

[gjohnson]

56 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

The grim part is that we're not getting out of that anytime soon, it will still be maxed out in the windows after that unless we start selling. And sticking with the same team every season obviously doesn't work, especially when our squad is this old.

Nope...accountants have made it indecipherable to see what is actually available. Best move we could do is hire Chelsea's financial guys at any cost, and give them the first job to hide what they cost us, then work out a deal to sell Newcastle race course to us, then pass it back to the Ruben's while working out  how we keep the profits...then when they'd sussed that giving us a 6bn profit, find some obscure law that shows we own the Tyne Bridge and are allowed to charge a tenner for every kilo that passes over it.

 

Then figure out how Leazes Terrace actually impinges on St James right to light and either charge them by the second, or order their brick by brick move to Beamish

 

 

Edited December 8 by gjohnson

[gjohnson]

6 minutes ago, DiddyLevine said:

Yep where has the £70M for Guehi disappeared to ?

Never had it in the first place...

[DiddyLevine]

5 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

Never had it in the first place...

So , they lied to us ? ( Mitchell Eales and Howe ) 

Thats some 4D chess 

[gjohnson]

4 minutes ago, DiddyLevine said:

So , they lied to us ? ( Mitchell Eales and Howe ) 

Thats some 4D chess 

Barely even Ludo let alone chess in any dimension...It's admirable in some ways that you think a manager and DoF would actually be honest about how much money is available to spend

 

 

Edited December 8 by gjohnson

[Erikse]

12 minutes ago, DiddyLevine said:

So , they lied to us ? ( Mitchell Eales and Howe ) 

Thats some 4D chess 

 

They said that our bid was way lower than the £60m reported. On top of that the reports say that we were going to sell in jan or june again to make up for it.

 

 

Edited December 8 by Erikse

[nufcjmc]

23 minutes ago, DiddyLevine said:

Yep where has the £70M for Guehi disappeared to ?

Unfortunately playing trading is now essential the Ashley era of nil spending "war chest" is gone the easy upgrades to sponsors have been made and are already needed for all that previous spending which up until the summer involved under 40m worth of selling. 

 

If we have of spent 60m in the summer while it didn't need 60m of players to be sold as explained about the cost of the player being spaced over the length of the contract from a book keeping prospective  it still would have  needed players to leave. 

 

 

Edited December 8 by nufcjmc