The College Dropout Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 17 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Again, agree and disagree. There have been instances such as Arsenal away (22/23) where they shredded our press in the first twenty. In response he switched to a midblock and comfortably saw out the game. However there's also been examples such as Wolves away (23/24) where our full backs were becoming isolated v their pacey wide men and he reacted way too slowly. I definitely think his in game tactics is an area he can develop and become more proactive, but I don't think it's as simple as saying he always reacts a certain way. I think it's switching things up via subs or team shape that he doesn't tend to do unless the match state is bad enough. Blocks he does and more tactical things I don't notice I assume. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 9 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: That's one way to put it. That form in 21/22 had us 4th in the form league, and this season we're only 3 points behind where we were at this stage in 22/23 when we were 4th and finished 4th. If you think we should be doing better than the position we're in because of the extra signings we made in the meantime and because Howe set a rod for his own back that's obviously each person's opinion. I just think it's completely daft. I didn’t mean it as an attack on Howe - it is a curio more than anything. I do think it is more suggestive that he did an incredible job in 21/22, and he’s doing a good job this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Just watched Eddies Post match press conference and his first words were "I thought we played ok tonight - I thought we played pretty well" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said: I didn’t mean it as an attack on Howe - it is a curio more than anything. I do think it is more suggestive that he did an incredible job in 21/22, and he’s doing a good job this season. Obviously not my debate to be sticking my two penneth worth in but not all variables have stayed the same while we may no longer be punching above our weight other teams have signed players/changed managers so what we are doing now is in a much harder landscape. Coupled with that the lack of squad freshness for us and players aging out i still hope we can refresh and come again next season and take the league conundrum from a different angle the Howe style has worked but he surely knows it won't forever. Still think under the circumstances Howe is doing great the inconsistency is what worries me most we can't have a good 90 we have good spells and sometimes play like it's a completely different 11 from one half to the next never mind game to game. Edited February 27 by nufcjmc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigsawGoesToPieces Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 7 hours ago, Likelylad said: Agree with this but he doesn't help himself sometimes. Numerous times this season his lack of proactive in game management has cost us. I was at Fulham and you could see what was happening in real time and he refused to change it up until they scored. He brought Pope back in and he's let him down big time last night and that first goal against Nottingham Forest and i don't think he's going to get better going forward. Still absolutely love him mind but he's not infallible. Fulham was rince and repeat of Brighton at home, you could see the game changing and Brighton scoring and we did nowt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, duo said: Just watched Eddies Post match press conference and his first words were "I thought we played ok tonight - I thought we played pretty well" I won't be satisfied until he calls us "total shite" like the great motivator and realist Steve Bruce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Unbeaten in 13 in fairness to the fat slug. Ten draws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 52 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I won't be satisfied until he calls us "total shite" like the great motivator and realist Steve Bruce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon_Geordie Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Was at Anfield last night. Noticed how much we rely on patterns of play with Howe, 2 and 3 players working in units to manipulate space. Joelinton is probably the most pivotal player and consistently involved in those units. Left back and left wing. CD and CM. CM and Attack. Last nights change in tactics, broke so many of those familiar patterns and we just looked disconnected and unbalanced. They on the other hand looked devastating and so well drilled on the break - it was fluid and telepathic. Our one devastating player was injured and replaced with one of around six players I would consider past there best, or their best lower EPL standard. Our better players were poor also. Lastly, the game was crying out for subs about 5-10 minutes before their second goal, but again we waited til the goal to react - that's on Howe, again. It seems to happen every week lately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCOCOL Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 23 hours ago, Newcastle Fan said: Shits himself every time we play Liverpool, from the very start we seemed that we have no belief that we will get anything out of it. Other than the last time albeit that was at home Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 22 hours ago, Lush Vlad said: I do agree with a lot of this and I know the likes of Bournemouth and Forest would have to do it a bit more consistently to show they're not a flash in the pan. But if they finish above us this season, I think It ruins the argument a bit and even my view on Howe and his abilities would go down a bit. 2 of the traditional Sky 6 are miles behind us and you'd imagine Spurs might figure it out a bit with a new manager and/or once half their squad aren't injured. But this season feels like a good time to be taking advantage of that. A bit like we did under Pardew for 5th and under Howe for 4th. Chelsea have also had a bit of a mid-season wobble. Meaning we're well in touch with them, when it looked unlikely earlier on in the season and when you consider the gazillions they've spent. Obviously plenty of the season to go and I do think we can finish top 5-6. Just hypothetically speaking. This is where I'm at as well. I think it's unreasonable to expect higher than 7th, but with Man U and Spurs having disastrous seasons, 5th and CL looked more than on a month ago. It would be disappointing if a club like Forest or Bournemouth finished ahead of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, TRon said: This is where I'm at as well. I think it's unreasonable to expect higher than 7th, but with Man U and Spurs having disastrous seasons, 5th and CL looked more than on a month ago. It would be disappointing if a club like Forest or Bournemouth finished ahead of us. This could be the best season in the history of the club or it could also end up as one of the worst seasons in the club's history if we don't win a cup and finish outside the European places. Key to this is getting Isak. Joelington and Botman on the pitch at the same time. On a knife edge and the next 6 weeks are massive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, et tu brute said: This could be the best season in the history of the club or it could also end up as one of the worst seasons in the club's history if we don't win a cup and finish outside the European places. Key to this is getting Isak. Joelington and Botman on the pitch at the same time. On a knife edge and the next 6 weeks are massive. Worst in the clubs history is surely extreme ? It won’t be worse than relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) Worst season in the clubs history Wtf We could lose every game from now til the end of may and it still won't be in the top 10 shit seasons in my lifetime Edited February 28 by jack j Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Worst in the clubs history is surely extreme ? It won’t be worse than relegation. Being in this position as failing on all three fronts, I'd still argue it would be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, et tu brute said: Being in this position as failing on all three fronts, I'd still argue it would be. The Mike Ashley years have been erased from your mind already ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, jack j said: Worst seasons in the clubs history Wtf We could lose every game from now til may and it still won't be in the top 10 shit seasons in my lifetime See my comment above, relegations happen we've seen it a few times. Never seen an opportunity like this throughout the history of the club. Each to their own though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Incredible ability to spin a negative out of positives, especially when you consider the sheer awfulness of NUFC as a club throughout most of my lifetime Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 20 hours ago, duo said: Just watched Eddies Post match press conference and his first words were "I thought we played ok tonight - I thought we played pretty well" Presuming you disagree, he's right and you are wrong. Playing the best side on the world, it was hardly bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, NG32 said: The Mike Ashley years have been erased from your mind already ? Nope it's the reason I jacked in eventually. I've seen worse than that under McKeag in my time. Both utter cunts also although I agree Ashley takes first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 3 minutes ago, et tu brute said: See my comment above, relegations happen we've seen it a few times. Never seen an opportunity like this throughout the history of the club. Each to their own though Would be a dissapointing end to the season but let's be honest it's very possible that all what you've said could happen. By your metric blowing the 12 point lead to man u must be the worst season in our history currently? Edited February 28 by jack j Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, gbandit said: Incredible ability to spin a negative out of positives, especially when you consider the sheer awfulness of NUFC as a club throughout most of my lifetime I had a season ticket from the opening of the east stand until the season we were relegated. I've seen it all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 9 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Being in this position as failing on all three fronts, I'd still argue it would be. 1996. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, jack j said: Would be a dissapointing end to the season but let's be honest it's very possible that all what you've said could happen. By your metric blowing the 12 point lead to man u must be the worst season in our history currently? I'm going off that we have three opportunities to make this a fantastic season. If it was just one then I wouldn't be saying that. When you had been attending since 1973 and seeing us win fuck all, then all those years take their toll. Hey you don't agree that's fine, I've not got a problem with that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 9 minutes ago, huss9 said: 1996. See my post above Edited February 28 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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