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Matt1892

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3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

MGW and Milenkovic based on this season also.


MGW and Anderson would get in our midfield? Who would you leave out of Bruno, Tonali and Joelinton?

 

Also, do you think Milenkovic and Murillo are better than Botman?

 

 

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Just now, Matt1892 said:


MGW and Anderson would get in our midfield? Who would you leave out of Bruno, Tonali and Joelinton?

 

Also, do you think Milebkovic and Murillo are better than Botman?

Botman has barely kicked a ball, MGW is better than Joelinton. I didn’t Anderson would.

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Sels

Aina Milenkovic Botman Hall

Tonali Guimarães

Elanga Gibbs-White Gordon

 

Isak

Subs: Dúbravka, Livramento, Murillo, Williams, Anderson, Joelinton, Murphy, Hudson-Odoi, Wood

 

Fun that. Cheers.

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Just now, SUPERTOON said:

Botman has barely kicked a ball, MGW is better than Joelinton. I didn’t Anderson would.


But if you put together the best 11 out of both of them would Botman be in it or not?

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1 minute ago, Matt1892 said:


But if you put together the best 11 out of both of them would Botman be in it or not?

Discussion is about current performance is it not? 

If I was picking a team to save my life for this weekend it would not include Botman

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1 minute ago, Monters said:

Discussion is about current performance is it not? 

If I was picking a team to save my life for this weekend it would not include Botman


It isn’t about current performance, it is about ability. 

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3 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

Elanga would only get in as we have spent £300 net and still have Jacob Murphy as our first choice right winger. Madness.

 

If you're doing a "which Forest players would get into our first team to justify why they're competing with us?" thing, you can't then say "well that one only gets in because we haven't got anyone better" :lol: that's literally the point surely?

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If you're doing a "which Forest players would get into our first team to justify why they're competing with us?" thing, you can't then say "well that one only gets in because we haven't got anyone better" :lol: that's literally the point surely?


It was more a moan about us spending so much and still having Murphy as our best right winger.

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1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said:

Well this thread is absolute AIDS.  

 

Shall we start a combined XI thread for every team. 

 

You'd have an audience of at least one for this.

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11 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

Our recruitment has gone stale due to PSR, it's clear there are still huge holes in the squad, and the holes are only getting wider as some players age and others completely lose form. It isn't that the players we've signed haven't been good, it's that the job is half done.

 

We have one right winger who is only good in patches. Two goalkeepers who are on the decline. Two centre halves who are on the decline. A back up right back who is now finished. A back up striker who is now finished. A back up left back who is on the decline. Back up midfielders who've either lost confidence or are 18 years old. These players are all being relied on regularly. 

 

Almost all of these players alluded to above were here under Bruce. The ones who weren't, were good temporary acquisitions (Pope, Burn, Trippier), but now need replacing. 

 

Howe has made mistakes this season and has a job on his hands to get the best out of what he's got, but the source of our problems goes back to the inability to strengthen further, which ultimately goes even further back to the years of neglect that left us with no saleable assets. 

 

If this was Chelsea or Aston Villa I could understand these arguments. But didn't Forest and Bournemouth just come out of the Championship themselves not too long ago? How have they built a better squad? Some of the players being mentioned, we could have bought them if we wanted, but we didn't go for them, presumably because Howe wanted proven Premier players.

 

Actually I am not even a critic of our signings, I think we've signed well compared to others, but we obviously paid top dollar for a lot of them to get them out of their clubs.

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1 minute ago, Matt1892 said:


It isn’t about current performance, it is about ability. 

To take to ridiculous proportions put Shearer and Kluivert in then lol 

Unless I am mistaken you are criticizing Howe for being behind Forest despite having better players but in my opinion you need to take current availability and performance into as well especially long term availability... As I said earlier if you were picking a team from both sets of players to play a cup final in the the next couple of weeks Botman isn't in it and neither are Schar or Burn  

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5 hours ago, Matt1892 said:

We can blame PSR for not being able to compete with City, Liverpool and Arsenal, but we have the 5th highest net spend over the last 5 years and have massively outspent the likes of Forest, Bournemouth and Brighton.

 

5) Newcastle: £-350.18m
24/25: £17.73m
23/24: £-85.79m (7th)
22/23: £-141.69m (4th)
21/22: £-108.17m (11th)
20/21: £-31.47m (12th)
 

9) Nottingham Forest: £-217.62m
24/25: £-15.58m
23/24: £-37.2m (17th)
22/23: £-160.27m (16th)
21/22: £-5.07m (4th in Championship)
20/21: £500,000 (17th in Championship)


12) Bournemouth: £-135.96m
24/25: £-49.67m
23/24: £-104.27m (12th)
22/23: £-68.88m (15th)
21/22: £10.08m (2nd in Championship)
20/21: £76.96m (6th in Championship)


16) Brighton: £-75.75m
24/25: £-191.58m
23/24: £69.1m (11th)
22/23: £70.82m (6th)
21/22: £3.25m (9th)
20/21: £-29.6m (16th)

 

 

 

 

 

Yes but we were starting from a lower base - i.e. not had any form of investment prior to that for over a decade

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15 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

If this was Chelsea or Aston Villa I could understand these arguments. But didn't Forest and Bournemouth just come out of the Championship themselves not too long ago? How have they built a better squad? Some of the players being mentioned, we could have bought them if we wanted, but we didn't go for them, presumably because Howe wanted proven Premier players.

 

Actually I am not even a critic of our signings, I think we've signed well compared to others, but we obviously paid top dollar for a lot of them to get them out of their clubs.

 

They're just at a different stage to us and are riding a wave of momentum. Liverpool and Chelsea fans would have said the same about our players in 22/23.

 

If Forest and Bournemouth proceed to sign basically no one for the next 2 years and the current managers are still there, I guarantee they won't have them anywhere close to being in contention for the CL places. Squad staleness is one of the biggest challenges a manager can face. 

 

And yeah, we could have signed the players mentioned, but it would have been at the expense of other players :dontknow: we needed a massive overhaul when Howe took over and doing even half a job of that has impacted us in the market in the last couple of seasons.

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15 minutes ago, duo said:

Yes but we were starting from a lower base - i.e. not had any form of investment prior to that for over a decade


Lower than Forest and Bournemouth who were Championship clubs?

 

Worth remembering that Bournemouth started with the player Howe got them relegated with.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:


Lower than Forest and Bournemouth who were Championship clubs?

Well - tbf we had a Championship squad.  Still have some Championship players.

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32 minutes ago, Monters said:

To take to ridiculous proportions put Shearer and Kluivert in then lol 

Unless I am mistaken you are criticizing Howe for being behind Forest despite having better players but in my opinion you need to take current availability and performance into as well especially long term availability... As I said earlier if you were picking a team from both sets of players to play a cup final in the the next couple of weeks Botman isn't in it and neither are Schar or Burn  


You are indeed mistaken.

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