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A small part of me wishes Howe was charismatic in the style Keegan was so that he'd be idolised and adored as much as Keegan.

 

Instead he's a better coach and manager and is more measured & has actually won us something as a result and despite this is less adored, in my humble opinion. Bit sad really.

 

Absolute legend is Eddie. I really believe he is the king. 🤍🩶🖤

 

 

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Just now, Heron said:

A small part of me wishes Howe was charismatic in the style Keegan was so that he'd be idolised and adored as much as Keegan.

 

Instead he's a better coach and manager and is more measured, has actually won us something as a result and despite this is less adored, in my humble opinion. Bit sad really.

Not sure that he will be less adored when the dust settles. 

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13 minutes ago, Heron said:

They are contributory factors to add weight to the debate though. He's consistently done well in the transfer market with regards to signings. IF that is his responsibility at all, then it adds weight to his abilities as a coach and manager.

 

As I say it's not knocking him at all, it's just that saying he has signed players who have improved the squad is not really praise when he was looking to upgrade on Big Jeff in midfield.

 

Id argue the prose in his transfer work has been in identifying the players who have been undervalued and being able to convince them to join when they did 

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4 minutes ago, Heron said:

A small part of me wishes Howe was charismatic in the style Keegan was so that he'd be idolised and adored as much as Keegan.

 

Instead he's a better coach and manager and is more measured & has actually won us something as a result and despite this is less adored, in my humble opinion. Bit sad really.

 

Absolute legend is Eddie. I really believe he is the king. 🤍🩶🖤

 

 

 

I think Eddie is adored like, football fans, especially the loud ones, are just fickle. I know what you mean about the heart on the sleeve stuff though, but equally I think people also love how good Howe is at saying the right things and not getting rattled.

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11 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Bang on, this is the question to ask. 

 

I don't think it is. It was the question when we were lower in talent and chasing top 8, a task Eddie massively over achieved on. Probably making him the best manager in my lifetime and that hurts me as I always wanted that to be SBR.

 

The question now is do we think we have the manager who will accept certain players and can he use them to elevate us to the next level again. This is a wholly different scenario.

 

Im pretty sure some of the managers who i deem better wouldn't have demanded Elanga and Ramsey. We have to see how they play out but we are asking could a manager get a tune out of a level of players he demanded and saw off a DoF for. This manager insisted we bid over 35m for a striker he didnt want for free a year later and had one of our better players farmed out and then wondered why he didnt perform for a year.

 

We have been out thought and out played in a number of games. FWIW i think if he works with a DoF and is left to coach he can comfortably do the above. I'd like it to be him but i don't think those asking questions are in anyway wrong to do so

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Think we've peaked as a club as long as PSR is as it is. Not sure we'll ever be able to top the last 5 months of last season. Hope Howe himself doesn't start getting frustrated by this and look at the Sky 6 as his route to the PL & CL titles, because he's good enough to do it. 

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Are people seriously questioning Howe? If it wasn’t for that cunt Isak we would have have beat Villa, Leeds, Bournemouth and would probably have done better against Arsenal. We have had a good season transfer wise. 
other forward we bought who we expected to score most of our goals this season knackered his knee playing for hi country which fucked us. What I would query him would be the signing of Elanga he has been a disappointment. Also Gordon once again pretends to be a top level winger.

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1 hour ago, Scoot said:

 

The same questions were being asked last season after our slow start.

 

But Eddie showed what a fantastic manager he is by winning us a cup and qualifying for the champions league in what was the most successful season in all of our lives.

 

He's the best thing that has ever happened to this club.

This. Reading this thread is giving such deja vu, they've learned nothing.

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9 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

 

As I say it's not knocking him at all, it's just that saying he has signed players who have improved the squad is not really praise when he was looking to upgrade on Big Jeff in midfield.

 

Id argue the prose in his transfer work has been in identifying the players who have been undervalued and being able to convince them to join when they did 

Oh I know you weren't knocking him mate, just saying if we're talking about an individuals abilities and inabiliities I feel it adds weight to the debate. :thup: Moreso for the reason you've stated which is (of course) fair :thup:

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1 hour ago, Scoot said:

 

The same questions were being asked last season after our slow start.

 

But Eddie showed what a fantastic manager he is by winning us a cup and qualifying for the champions league in what was the most successful season in all of our lives.

 

He's the best thing that has ever happened to this club.

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1 minute ago, LiquidAK said:

This. Reading this thread is giving such deja vu, they've learned nothing.

We’ll be back to this every time we lose a few games. Was hoping that the Cup Final would be different. Tbf a few have totally come around gracefully, and fair play to them. And I certainly expect and accept annoyed reactions when we lose.
 

But I suppose we’ll always have posters who can only react to the moment. It just seems that context is glossed over or entirely ignored in their arguments though.

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I had a few fleeting doubts about Eddie a couple of seasons ago. He soon shut me up and, since then, I’ve seen him do the same to lots of people. I learnt my lesson - he’s a brilliant manager and person and I think he is adored (remember the banner on the trophy parade) but might bring out less emotion than KK because he never played for us.

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Also I wonder if some have played FM so much that they think chopping and changing managers should be done every time there is a poor spell. In the real world, stabiluty for stability’s sake can be counterproductive, but it becomes worth its weight in gold if it is accompanied by a very good manager.

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3 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

It's been an awful start to the season. Performances and results. But I don't think it's could ever turn on him even if it continues. He's done too much for us. His credit in the bank is off the scale.

"Awful" is properly over the top like. :lol:

 

We've literally played 3 of the best teams in Europe and had 3 really dififcult away games at Villa, Bournemouth and Brighton where you'd be happy with draws at (and got 2).

 

Aside from that though, I agree. :thup:

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

 

I don't think it is. It was the question when we were lower in talent and chasing top 8, a task Eddie massively over achieved on. Probably making him the best manager in my lifetime and that hurts me as I always wanted that to be SBR.

 

The question now is do we think we have the manager who will accept certain players and can he use them to elevate us to the next level again. This is a wholly different scenario.

 

Im pretty sure some of the managers who i deem better wouldn't have demanded Elanga and Ramsey. We have to see how they play out but we are asking could a manager get a tune out of a level of players he demanded and saw off a DoF for. This manager insisted we bid over 35m for a striker he didnt want for free a year later and had one of our better players farmed out and then wondered why he didnt perform for a year.

 

We have been out thought and out played in a number of games. FWIW i think if he works with a DoF and is left to coach he can comfortably do the above. I'd like it to be him but i don't think those asking questions are in anyway wrong to do so

Beggars belief, it's honestly like you're the bloke in Quantum Leap and have just been transported here without any memory of the last 4 years, or even this summer. Howe's hit rate on players, not just here but at Bournemouth, is exceptional. This idea that he's out his depth and needs a DoF is baffling. Time and again we do this with his signings, forget to credit the instant successes to him, question the life out of the ones that don't immediately work, then quietly move on to how they're brilliant a year or two later and put the memory of those early questions into room 101. Gordon, Hall, Livramento, Tonali, Barnes have all been questioned. All have shown their value.

 

Elanga is stretching it, I'll give you that, but at the same time, although Howe did want Elanga, the player he demanded, and the player Pep would get because he's at Man City and not Newcastle was Bryan Mbeumo. Elanga was second choice, likewise a lot of other players. The question is whether someone like Pep, without his reputation, without being at a club that can get what they want, and with the same resources as Howe would be doing better.

 

My answer to that is no, I vividly remember Pep crying foul that he couldn't do what he wanted to do, simply because he needed Kyle Walker, I remember him not being able to do what he wanted last season because he didn't have Rodri. I've watched him time and again overthink and fuck up knock out matches. These managers at the absolute top level are extremely highly strung and need maintenance to run properly. Howe hasn't even been in that position and has only ever showed that he punches above his weight.

 

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Heron said:

A small part of me wishes Howe was charismatic in the style Keegan was so that he'd be idolised and adored as much as Keegan.

 

Instead he's a better coach and manager and is more measured & has actually won us something as a result and despite this is less adored, in my humble opinion. Bit sad really.

 

Absolute legend is Eddie. I really believe he is the king. 🤍🩶🖤

 

 

 


Different eras imo.

 

Imagine if Twitter and forums were a thing when Keegan was here? He’d have been slaughtered at times. 

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6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

The only doubt I have with Howe is can he gets us playing enough football to take us to the very top? But we are a long way from that discussion. 

He's pretty much passed every test so far, so I wouldn't bet against him. Dude is still only pushing 48, and has shown that he has the capacity to learn and adapt, despite accusations against this. I've seen enough evidence to suggest that it's likely that pushing for trophies and fighting for honors at the top is where he belongs. I just hope we continue on that journey with him for awhile.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Heron said:

"Awful" is properly over the top like. :lol:

 

We've literally played 3 of the best teams in Europe and had 3 really dififcult away games at Villa, Bournemouth and Brighton where you'd be happy with draws at (and got 2).

 

Aside from that though, I agree. :thup:

 

 

 

 

It's been pretty poor mind. 18th October today and it's the first time we've scored away from home.

 

And we still lost 🤣

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