Eddie Howe

[HaydnNUFC]

5 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

He also tried to keep his mate Callum Wilson around instead of acting like a CL manager and finding a striker to replace him as priority. That’s what amplified the Isak situation.

Almiron was also replaced way later than he should’ve been and I reckon Joelinton will be as well. 

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

Not really imo.

 

1) Even if you just talk about net spend we spent £100m on footballers and appear to have nothing to show for it outside of Thiaw. Elanga was signed well before Isak kicked up a fuss and other than Woltemade I’m not sure the other signings were related/dependent on the saga. 
2) True, but we finally had a fair wedge to spend to finally improve the team and we look as poor as we ever have done under him. 
 

Elanga has been shocking, Woltemade isn’t involved anywhere near as much as he should be and Willock gets the nod ahead of Ramsey. We look the poorest in possession since Bruce was in charge and don’t seem able to change it. He’s went to a watered down limp version of what worked before out of fear of a repeat of the 23-24 injures imo which is a dream to play against. Passive, lack of guile and no incisiveness on the ball.

Could very easily use 90% of 1 for a post about how selling Isak basically fucked everything, mind.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Don't think that's how it works unless you're a club with an itchy trigger finger, or Real Madrid tbh. Being 6 points off 4th in a transition season following a trophy winning and second CL qualifying season isn't some kind of travesty.

I don’t think the away performances and record would be acceptable at most midtable PL clubs.  The biggest concern now is if the home performances start looking more like the away performances - which looks more likely to happen than the reverse. 
 

I don’t think we need CL football nor should we expect it - but European qualification should be the target. 

[HaydnNUFC]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Could very easily use 90% of 1 for a post about how selling Isak basically fucked everything, mind.

It did fuck things but it shouldn’t have fucked our ability to keep possession as much as it appears to have done this season. It’s an area of our game that needed improving on regardless of the Isak saga given the extra games we knew we had to play, but nothing has been done to try and remedy or augment that. We had the money to do it and chosen not to.

[Whitley mag]

Just now, HaydnNUFC said:

Almiron was also replaced way later than he should’ve been and I reckon Joelinton will be as well. 

Ashworth wanted to get rid of Joelinton due to injury concerns but Mandy granted Howe his wish and give him a new contract.

 

It could be argued the cup final win was justification but let’s be honest long term strategy wise it certainly wasn’t.

[et tu brute]

5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Don't think that's how it works unless you're a club with an itchy trigger finger, or Real Madrid tbh. Being 6 points off 4th in a transition season following a trophy winning and second CL qualifying season isn't some kind of travesty.

No such thing as a transition season, when you have a five year plan which requires playing top level European football every season to progress. I just don't understand why people are even thinking that there is.

[HaydnNUFC]

3 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Ashworth wanted to get rid of Joelinton due to injury concerns but Mandy granted Howe his wish and give him a new contract.

 

It could be argued the cup final win was justification but let’s be honest long term strategy wise it certainly wasn’t.

Hence the links to Atalanta’s Ederson. 
 

Joelinton was injured as per from January-May 2024 and was given a new contract in April? On more money than Isak as well apparently. Scandalous stuff tbh. 

[Kid Icarus]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I don’t think the away performances and record would be acceptable at most midtable PL clubs.  The biggest concern now is if the home performances start looking more like the away performances - which looks more likely to happen than the reverse. 
 

I don’t think we need CL football nor should we expect it - but European qualification should be the target. 

Sackings aren't as much of a thing anymore really. I think most teams aiming for mid-table would take our very mid-table form and position.

 

No reason we can't turn it around, like I said in the other thread, despite the bad feeling about this position we're nowhere near being in an irredeemable position. 

[J7]

6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Don't think that's how it works unless you're a club with an itchy trigger finger, or Real Madrid tbh. Being 6 points off 4th in a transition season following a trophy winning and second CL qualifying season isn't some kind of travesty.

Transition season? What are we transitioning into? We needed Thiaw as the other defenders were heading towards their mid-30s and he seems to have no idea how to use Woltemade. If Elanga and Ramsey are the future, then god help us. 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Sackings aren't as much of a thing anymore really. I think most teams aiming for mid-table would take our very mid-table form and position.

 

No reason we can't turn it around, like I said in the other thread, despite the bad feeling about this position we're nowhere near being in an irredeemable position. 

Agreed, it can be turned around - and Howe has done that before.  Today just took a massive hit on his credit though. 

[Pablo123]

Out of curiosity, who would you want instead of Howe? General question after reading the poll.

[Whitley mag]

1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

Hence the links to Atalanta’s Ederson. 
 

Joelinton was injured as per from January-May 2024 and was given a new contract in April? On more money than Isak as well apparently. Scandalous stuff tbh. 

Yeah Nickson had scouted Ederson and he was the replacement but Eddie chose a different path.

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, J7 said:

Transition season? What are we transitioning into? We needed Thiaw as the other defenders were heading towards their mid-30s and he seems to have no idea how to use Woltemade. If Elanga and Ramsey are the future, then god help us. 

You had any reason to doubt Howe's methods until now?

[Fak]

Just now, Pablo123 said:

Out of curiosity, who would you want instead of Howe? General question after reading the poll.

 

Tindall 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Just now, Fak said:

 

Tindall 

Tindall OUT 

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Agreed, it can be turned around - and Howe has done that before.  Today just took a massive hit on his credit though. 

Think it's more our pride than his credit. Albeit I agree they're probably linked because it's Sunderland. Our form's actually not that bad considering. The performance was shit, but they did also score with a fluke, without actually testing us, and they're unbeaten at home.

 

It's shite, but it does feel like a bad timing fixture for us where they're in flow and we're in ebb.

[Newcastle Fan]

He has to see out the season for me no matter what as he's more than earned it, but if we fall short of our targets this year the ownership should really have a plan ready of who can come in and help take us to the next level.

[McDog]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Think it's more our pride than his credit. Albeit I agree they're probably linked because it's Sunderland. Our form's actually not that bad considering. The performance was shit, but they did also score with a fluke, without actually testing us, and they're unbeaten at home.

 

It's shite, but it does feel like a bad timing fixture for us where they're in flow and we're in ebb.

 

 

100%. Still, all is not well at Newcastle and we need to correct it.

[p_cowell141]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Think it's more our pride than his credit. Albeit I agree they're probably linked because it's Sunderland. Our form's actually not that bad considering. The performance was shit, but they did also score with a fluke, without actually testing us, and they're unbeaten at home.

 

It's shite, but it does feel like a bad timing fixture for us where they're in flow and we're in ebb.

 

For me, that describes the months of August, September, October, November, and December. That's not really bad timing for this fixture. 

[et tu brute]

Just now, Newcastle Fan said:

He has to see out the season for me no matter what as he's more than earned it, but if we fall short of our targets this year the ownership should really have a plan ready of who can come in and help take us to the next level.

Those overall plans include this season though, continuous top level European football. 

[midds]

I know Howe's turned things around a couple of times in the past but I'm not sure how possible that will be with this team playing this way and with this mentality. I think there are huge issues with the mentality and attitude of the entire squad and club, it feels like there's a massive negative cloud that's constantly hovering over the club. The games are largely awful to watch, we look really poorly coached and organised these days, we're a piece of piss to play against and we're easily nullified. 

 

To flip all of that around and turn losses into wins seems like the biggest jump of them all, we don't need a tweak we need a complete F5 and I don't see Howe being able to change things enough, quickly enough to fly up the league. I can't see the 6 or 7 game run of wins anywhere, we're a million miles away from looking like a team that's good enough to qualify for the CL. Just not sure there's another rabbit in Howe's hat this year 

[Keggy_Keagal]

15 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Ashworth wanted to get rid of Joelinton due to injury concerns but Mandy granted Howe his wish and give him a new contract.

 

It could be argued the cup final win was justification but let’s be honest long term strategy wise it certainly wasn’t.

We don't get Champions League last season or win a trophy without him. So on every level including in terms of revenue generated it was absolutely the right move. 

[J7]

10 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

You had any reason to doubt Howe's methods until now?

I’ve no idea what you mean. I’m questioning why you think this is a transition season. It isn’t.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

If Howe sees out the season but then leaves the board need to be decisive. World Cup summers are disruptive enough without needing to churn through a squad and built enough on the training ground to hit August running.

 

In the scenario where Howe goes it likely means no Europe. Certainly no Champs League. That means Tino and Tonali are off. There will also be a churn of managers with a number of the managers at the WC  looking to get back to club football.

 

Stick or twist in Janz if we do buy then the players need to be picked by our DoF, which then isn't fair on Howe if he is being judged on the second half of the season.

 

I think he's in trouble if we lose to Fulham then don't beat Chelsea.

[lovejoy]

11 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Agreed, it can be turned around - and Howe has done that before.  Today just took a massive hit on his credit though. 

Yep, it can be turned around and I think he will.

 

Today is very damaging though, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that it runs away from him from this point.