Eddie Howe

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, J7 said:

It’s literally their job, at all times. The good and the bad.

 

What do you mean though, always be looking to change the manager if someone who might be better is available? 

 

As I said before, knowing which managers are out there is sensible and professional. Looking for alternatives actively is not. 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2025 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Cf]

22 minutes ago, J7 said:

I’m not having this ‘give him to the end of the season’ talk. I personally don’t want him to go now, but you assess as you go along. We can’t just throw away months if something isn’t working. He needs to get a grip and improve things very soon. It feels like a Pardew season at the moment where you wonder how we’ve even got the results we’ve got and we just keep ploughing on regardless.
 

If Hopkinson and Wilson aren’t looking for alternatives yet, they’re not doing their job properly. We don’t want to do a Spurs and just start looking after a sacking or at the end of the season. You don’t know when the suitable candidate becomes available. Eddie has to prove he’s still up to it.

 

By the same token you don't throw away years of progress because of some shorter term bad results.

[J7]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

What do you mean though, always be looking to change the manager if someone who might be better is available? 

 

As I said before, knowing which managers are out there is sensible and professional. Looking for alternatives actively is not. 

 

 

 

Of course I don’t mean you should be always looking to change the manager. Haha. You should always have a list of alternatives, not starting from scratch when a manager goes. Apologies, I thought that was fairly obvious.

[Pablo123]

We could have prime Fergie in charge, and people would still moan (Black Eyed Peas).

[Cf]

19 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

Thing is with this, if he’s unable to manage 3 games a week regularly then he’s not going to be here very long and rightly so tbh. As a club aspiring to challenge the top clubs we can’t afford to keep writing off 1 season in 2 because he can’t cope with it.
 

Villa under Emery managed fine last season with CL football which they were playing until the QF stage in April, should’ve still probably finished ahead of us with those refereeing decisions on the final day coupled with the aids we serve up against Everton and are flying currently playing Thursday/Sunday, the lesser quality of their opponents this season in the EL taken into account obviously.

 

 

 

 

Yeah that's a fair challenge.

 

I think at this point though it becomes a question of the squad and I think it's clear in the summer we didn't do the business we needed to do and some of that is on Howe.

 

What has been clear to see is after last time with our injury crisis there's been an attempt to lower our intensity whilst still getting results. It hasn't always worked but as I say - fine margins.

 

Last minute goals to Leverkusen and Spurs in the last week or so, on top of the ones earlier in the season.

 

The freak goal yesterday.

 

My hope is now we hopefully have competence in our director roles and they can help Howe. He went from a good relationship with Ashworth/Stavely to that twat Mitchell coming in. It can't have helped.

[The Prophet]

Howe is still learning how to manage a schedule with European football because he's new to it, whereas someone like Emery is seasoned in that regard.

 

He'll crack it, it's just a case of how long it takes.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, J7 said:

Of course I don’t mean you should be always looking to change the manager. Haha. You should always have a list of alternatives, not starting from scratch when a manager goes. Apologies, I thought that was fairly obvious.

Nah it wasn’t obvious, we were taking about if Howe should be sacked so it sounded like you were saying they should’ve actively looking for better options. 

[J7]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Nah it wasn’t obvious, we were taking about if Howe should be sacked so it sounded like you were saying they should’ve actively looking for better options. 

They should. That doesn’t mean they have to act on it. It would depend on how we’re doing at the time and the quality of the available alternative.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, J7 said:

They should. That doesn’t mean they have to act on it. It would depend on how we’re doing at the time and the quality of the available alternative.

So I was right then

[Kid Icarus]

34 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

Thing is with this, if he’s unable to manage 3 games a week regularly then he’s not going to be here very long and rightly so tbh. As a club aspiring to challenge the top clubs we can’t afford to keep writing off 1 season in 2 because he can’t cope with it.
 

Villa under Emery managed fine last season with CL football which they were playing until the QF stage in April, should’ve still probably finished ahead of us with those refereeing decisions on the final day coupled with the aids we serve up against Everton and are flying currently playing Thursday/Sunday, the lesser quality of their opponents this season in the EL taken into account obviously.

 

 

 

 

They didn't like. At this point last season they were 3 points better off than us (via 1 extra win) in 7th and by the end of February they were in 10th with 10 wins in 23 matches. Until they started reaping the rewards of the 5 players they brought in in January (from March onwards) they were in nigh on exactly the same position as us and with the same inconsistent form. 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2025 by Kid Icarus

[AyeDubbleYoo]

9 minutes ago, Pablo123 said:

We could have prime Fergie in charge, and people would still moan (Black Eyed Peas).

Fergie ruined BEP, they were a solid underground hip hop act before. Their early stuff is brilliant. 
 

What this means for Howe, I’m not sure.  

 

 

Edited December 15, 2025 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Jesse Pinkman]

7 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Howe is still learning how to manage a schedule with European football because he's new to it, whereas someone like Emery is seasoned in that regard.

 

He'll crack it, it's just a case of how long it takes.

Lol he’s already had a full season. How many seasons will it take for him to adapt? 

[Andy]

2 minutes ago, Cf said:

 

Yeah that's a fair challenge.

 

I think at this point though it becomes a question of the squad and I think it's clear in the summer we didn't do the business we needed to do and some of that is on Howe.

 

What has been clear to see is after last time with our injury crisis there's been an attempt to lower our intensity whilst still getting results. It hasn't always worked but as I say - fine margins.

 

Last minute goals to Leverkusen and Spurs in the last week or so, on top of the ones earlier in the season.

 

The freak goal yesterday.

 

My hope is now we hopefully have competence in our director roles and they can help Howe. He went from a good relationship with Ashworth/Stavely to that twat Mitchell coming in. It can't have helped.

 

Getting a proper structure in place is absolutely the main thing, particularly around recruitment, and that means Eddie accepting that he may need to be more hands-off with it too. Yes he should have a say, but there's a reason the elite clubs have moved away from the head coach identifying targets. I want him devoting his time and energy to our squad and our opponents not the transfer market. 

 

We've been a shambles in that department since Ashworth left and this season it has finally come back to bite us. Hopefully we can improve moving forward now that we have a (hopefully competent) sporting director in place again.   

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

Howe is still learning how to manage a schedule with European football because he's new to it, whereas someone like Emery is seasoned in that regard.

 

He'll crack it, it's just a case of how long it takes.

 

Funny how everyone is now saying this like it's a matter of fact. I still remember the hiding I got in here (twice) for suggesting it would be an issue, and then pointing out it was an issue when it happened. 

 

 

 

[J7]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

So I was right then

You win the internet today. Honestly 🙄

[Pablo123]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Fergie ruined BEP, they were a solid underground hip hop act before. Their early stuff is brilliant. 
 

What this means for Howe, I’m not sure.  

 

 

 

He'll fight back with an platinum selling album, or another cup.

[Cf]

1 minute ago, Dokko said:

 

Funny how everyone is now saying this like it's a matter of fact. I still remember the hiding I got in here (twice) for suggesting it would be an issue, and then pointing out it was an issue when it happened. 

 

 

 

 

I don't think the problem is Howe can't manage the schedule. I just think he doesn't have the squad to have it he an easy job. 

 

Swap Howe and Arteta round and see which one can't handle 3 games a week. 

[Lucky]

Some on here would argue that Howe is a better manager than Arteta, and have done.

 

So we had this excuse that the amount of games leaves little time for actual training.

 

Yet it doesn’t affect Arsenal. They have as many games as us and their effectiveness as a team is far superior.

 

So then the counter arguments, they have better players and a bigger squad. Perhaps.

 

But honestly, if you dropped Rice or Saka into this team, I don’t think we’d be doing much better. The patterns of play are just not there.

 

For Eddie, I think it’s fair to say he massively overachieved with less and has underachieved with more.

 

If as a club the plan is to be more, how can we confidently say he’s the one to take us forward?

[The College Dropout]

34 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

Thing is with this, if he’s unable to manage 3 games a week regularly then he’s not going to be here very long and rightly so tbh. As a club aspiring to challenge the top clubs we can’t afford to keep writing off 1 season in 2 because he can’t cope with it.
 

Villa under Emery managed fine last season with CL football which they were playing until the QF stage in April, should’ve still probably finished ahead of us with those refereeing decisions on the final day coupled with the aids we serve up against Everton and are flying currently playing Thursday/Sunday, the lesser quality of their opponents this season in the EL taken into account obviously.

 

 

 

That squad (they ended with, not from the start of the season) is stronger than the squad they have now which has them on 33 points after 16 games.

 

-Guessand

-Sancho

+Rashford

+Asensio

 

The club haven't given Howe the squad. We had an opportunity to build and we squandered it.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think if we just had Saka alone we’d have about 7-9 more points TBH. 

[Dokko]

22 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

and him staying applies to the incredible legacy he's had right up until now, if it didn't he wouldn't still be here. 

 

The expectation from some seems to be that if he drops below the incredible standards that he's set for the best part of 4 years for a 4 month period then no ifs, buts or maybes, there's a question mark over his head. I don't think that's a misrepresentation either and as someone said earlier that's about as clear cut an example of being a victim of your own success as it gets. 

You set the bar high and the expectations are to continously meet then. If he didn't, he'd be gone. 

 

No point the club mouthing off saying it wants to be the best and also accept continued performances like yesterday with a squad which cost a fortune. 

[Cf]

1 minute ago, Lucky said:

Some on here would argue that Howe is a better manager than Arteta, and have done.

 

So we had this excuse that the amount of games leaves little time for actual training.

 

Yet it doesn’t affect Arsenal. They have as many games as us and their effectiveness as a team is far superior.

 

So then the counter arguments, they have better players and a bigger squad. Perhaps.

 

But honestly, if you dropped Rice or Saka into this team, I don’t think we’d be doing much better. The patterns of play are just not there.

 

For Eddie, I think it’s fair to say he massively overachieved with less and has underachieved with more.

 

If as a club the plan is to be more, how can we confidently say he’s the one to take us forward?

 

[Menace]

People are hilarious man. Didn't hear a single peep when Howe got CL twice or won the cup. Now he's in a rut its all I TOLD YOU HE'S SHIT.

 

Fuck right off.

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, Dokko said:

You set the bar high and the expectations are to continously meet then. If he didn't, he'd be gone. 

 

No point the club mouthing off saying it wants to be the best and also accept continued performances like yesterday with a squad which cost a fortune. 

 

You'd have sacked Pep last season then presumably. 

[HaydnNUFC]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

They didn't like. At this point last season they were 3 points better off than us (via 1 extra win) in 7th and by the end of February they were in 10th with 10 wins in 23 matches. Until they started reaping the rewards of the 5 players they brought in in January (from March onwards) they were in nigh on exactly the same position as us and with the same inconsistent form. 

 

 

 

And they were 9 points clear of us at this stage the last time we had European football to contend with. They then finished the season ahead of us.

 

Last season they brought in players to improve the first team and were extremely unlucky not to finish above us and only didn’t on GD despite refereeing decisions they were on the end of despite remaining in the CL until April. Even if with their PSR issues in the summer and playing Thursday/Sunday they currently sit 11 clear of us.