bobbydazzla Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Rod said: Yeah, I thought the same. Having a dig at Keegan for daring to come runners up to Man Utd. I love Keegan, he’s given me some of the best days of my entire life. But he fucked up in 95/96. Throwing away what should have been a massive and unassailable lead at Xmas isn’t “daring to come runners up to Man Utd”. You can love someone whilst also accepting their glaringly obvious faults. Edited February 7 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesmcc222 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 He’s a legend and deserves respect. Today was really poor but he will be more aware of that than anyone else. He’s earned our support, trust and credit. Maybe some stage in the future there has to be a difficult conversation but it’s a long way from now. He’s made some poor decisions transfer and tactics wise this season but I back him to turn it around and I think we owe it to him as a fan base to give him time to do so. He’s the man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Whatever you think of KK, the 4-4-2 of his side, and that of Ferguson were a joy to watch. That's gone from football, it's low block, one up top, inverted this and that. 6, 8 10's. Pep boring the shite out of football. What's wrong with going back to simple old football, it was better to watch that's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 7 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: Unless he said it elsewhere didn't he say he needs to work better rather than harder as he already works as hard as he can? “I’ve got to do more” was one of the things he said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wolfcastle Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: If Freddie Fletcher was still alive I reckon he'd be humble about it but point to the revenue streams he produced. That's not underplaying Keegan's role in us being the hot ticket etc, I just mean it was a joint thing, we had a straight shoot at it as well. The competitiveness that I remember was pure spectacle at the start of the season imo, even as a kid I knew it was Man United and then everyone else. It was us, Blackburn, Liverpool competing imo, I never thought Arsenal or Villa, or Leeds, or Boro would win the league, regardless of what they spent. Whereas now those top few are set in stone and even when it isn't, the top dogs can spend and fail and spend and fail again and again. At the start of the PL era they all started ahead of us, way ahead for all bar Boro, so that suggests an achievement in itself to bypass them. Edited February 7 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Interpolic said: He's remembered for orchestrating one of the most entertaining sides ever seen at the top level. One that's still talked about today. Tbh the only side I can recall that is still talked about so widely when they didn't win anything. We don't need to talk Keegan down to talk Howe up. That said I do think Howe has eclipsed him cos of what KI said. We can't outspend almost everyone in the league anymore. But Keegan was immense. Mention 95/96 to any non-Man United fan that experienced it and they'll talk about that Newcastle side before nigh on anything else. I knew people who didn't even like football at all who watched our matches. You couldn't get Odeon tickets to watch us, let alone match tickets. That's not a cope or anything, I'd rather we won the league and it's not a brag either, you hear it time and again, with no Newcastle influence involved at all. BUT, being real, when i watch it back, although I think Keegan's football comparitive to the era it was in wins, if you just look at it 1 v 1, Howe's football is better like. Edited February 7 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, PauloGeordio said: Heartbreaking this. Genuinely heartbreaking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEntertainer Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said: “I’ve got to do more” was one of the things he said "There's a harsh reality for me. I think I have to think long and hard about - not my effort, because I can't question that - but I have to work better, do more. I have to take responsibility for everything you see on the pitch. I have got to work out solutions. "I also of course have to ask the same of the players. I have to ask them to be really honest and look at their best levels, and judge them against that now in this current moment. "I don't think there are too many who can say they are playing their best. That then gives us growth to improve. He's defo not saying he needs to work harder, but that he needs to be better, which is right and is a great soundbite. I've seen nothing this season to suggest that is likely, but I love the sentiment. My ideal scenario is Eddie turns it around, we have a great end to the season and I look like a massive wanker for ever doubting him, that is feeling less and less likely though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said: At the start of the PL era they all started ahead of us, way ahead for all bar Boro, so that suggests an achievement in itself to bypass them. It does, but we also had a chairman that could spend what he wanted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Just now, Shearergol said: Heartbreaking this. Genuinely heartbreaking. Oof. That's quite grim, tbh. Have a day off, Eddie. Get down to Tynemouth. Lovely stroll on the beach. Fish n' chips. Crack on on Monday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TheEntertainer said: "There's a harsh reality for me. I think I have to think long and hard about - not my effort, because I can't question that - but I have to work better, do more. I have to take responsibility for everything you see on the pitch. I have got to work out solutions. "I also of course have to ask the same of the players. I have to ask them to be really honest and look at their best levels, and judge them against that now in this current moment. "I don't think there are too many who can say they are playing their best. That then gives us growth to improve. He's defo not saying he needs to work harder, but that he needs to be better, which is right and is a great soundbite. I've seen nothing this season to suggest that is likely, but I love the sentiment. My ideal scenario is Eddie turns it around, we have a great end to the season and I look like a massive wanker for ever doubting him, that is feeling less and less likely though. Work better Do more Take responsibility for everything Work out solutions Work it harder, make it better Do it faster, makes us stronger More than ever, hour after hour Work is never over Fitter, healthier and more productive A pig In a cage On antibiotics Edited February 7 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Cardigan Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 He’s an absolute legend, and he’ll be suffering worse than any of us right now. Feel for him, and hoping he gets the time to turn it round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 53 minutes ago, NSG said: That last line is your next Wor Flags banner ❤️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 50 minutes ago, Rod said: Oh you are gone in my life now. Sorry bud but calling it how it is. Keegan is the heart and soul of NUFC in the last like 40 years of existence, but ask anyone outside of that...he's a try hard and a Geordie love symbol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilovetoon8788 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 He deserves another crack next season. Wrote this season off because our last transfer window turned out to be so bad it's crippling us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 49 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: A rare shocking post but it has been a long day so I'm not Heron out yet. Sorry guys but the truth hurts. Folk remember winners not runners up. The engraving on the trophy further emphasises so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Interpolic said: He's remembered for orchestrating one of the most entertaining sides ever seen at the top level. One that's still talked about today. Tbh the only side I can recall that is still talked about so widely when they didn't win anything. We don't need to talk Keegan down to talk Howe up. That said I do think Howe has eclipsed him cos of what KI said. We can't outspend almost everyone in the league anymore. But Keegan was immense. And I am not denying that. However, if you ask most football fans what they thought of Keegan they will remember "I will love it if we beat them" and the throwing a title. Keegan is undoubtedly a God to Newcastle fans and rightly so. Edited February 7 by Heron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Anyone criticising Keegan can give their heads a wobble. He inspired so many people. He’s the reason I support Newcastle, he’s the reason I started playing football. He’s now the reason my son supports Newcastle, he’s the reason my son plays football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 32 minutes ago, Jonas said: Each to their own but to me, he'll always be the man that turned this club from being a second division also ran on their way to the third with a half empty stadium into one of the biggest in Europe playing the best football I've seen in a black and white shirt and going close to winning the title playing that way. And to me. The point is being missed. What we think as NUFC fans...I.e. (Keegan is a God like being) and what everyone else sees are different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, Heron said: And to me. The point is being missed. What we think as NUFC fans...I.e. (Keegan is a God like being) and what everyone else sees are different. You’re wrong. All my mates (non NUFC) think he’s a god Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: It does, but we also had a chairman that could spend what he wanted Nowhere near enough to justify overhauling them with the headstart they all had relative to what they also spent. excluding sales cos cant be arsed (but bare in mind Cole and Fox alone came to more than £10m) Leeds spent £4m in 92/93, £5m 93/94, £6.7m in 94/95, 5.7 1995 Arsenal 3.6m 92/93, 1m 93/94, 8.2 94/95, 12.2 in 1995 Villa 3.2m 92/93, 3.3m 93/94, 6.9m 94/95, 10m 1995 Liverpool 4.4m 92/93, 4.7m 93/94, 9m 94/95, 13m 1995 Blackburn 7.9m 92/93, 9m 93/94, 6.8 94/95, 8m 1995 Spurs 5.7m 92/93, 4.5m 93/94, 7.8m 94/95, 8.7m 1995 Everton 1.5 92/93, 3.4, 93/94, 11.4m 94/95, 6.9m 1995 Sheffield Wed 2.3m 92/93, 7.3 93/94, 6m 94/95, 7.4m 1995 Boro 4m 92/93, 4.2 94/95 (in 2nd tier), 10m in 1995 We spent £4.7 in 92/93, £7.8 93/94, £6.1 94/95, 14m 1995 sorry to get all nerdy but have gone through this stuff for the Mag before and obviously I'm leaving out Batty and Tino in 1996 to be a bit biased but I'll use the argument that we got to the top prior to them but that ultimately there was no blank cheque book scenario relative to other clubs and it was competive Edited February 8 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 5 minutes ago, Heron said: And I am not denying that. However, if you ask most football fans what they thought of Keegan they will remember "I will love it if we beat them" and the throwing a title. Keegan is undoubtedly a God to Newcastle fans and rightly so. You honestly think that Eddie will be remembered for winning the Carabao cup (outside Newcastle)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, Shearergol said: You’re wrong. All my mates (non NUFC) think he’s a god Sorry like I forgot your mates account for the majority of others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEntertainer Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, Heron said: And to me. The point is being missed. What we think as NUFC fans...I.e. (Keegan is a God like being) and what everyone else sees are different. i kind of agree that outside of Newcastle Keegan is seen more for the 'I'd love it meme' than what he acheived, which definitely hurt his legacy, but I don't think people think he wasn't a succesful manager. Levels I guess, he was a hero to us and outside this space, he was just a succesful manager, I don't think other fans don't rate him though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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