Yorkie Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: And many of them do. Absolving him of blame and/or believing he and only he can manage NUFC is incredibly shortsighted. I'm not and I don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Simple to me. Howe has made mistakes and does deserve some blame. Injuries and sheer number of games has been difficult. Unless we completely plummet, Howe stays our manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 We've gone backwards on the field massively, we're just awful to watch and a dream to play against. We're far worse than we were a few years go despite huge investment, the complete lack of intensity, the inability to unlock defences, the inability to perform the basics the game, the lack of movement, the absence of energy and enthusiasm, passive, meek negative and general slip in standards has been fucking shocking. There's so much wrong within the club, on and off the park, I don't think Howe's got it him to fix it. He's definitely on borrowed time. The season has been a disaster and I can't wait for it to over. We're so fucking poor man, it's painful to watch, we've gone backwards very fucking quickly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Just now, heero said: Its not ll Eddie's fault. Our owners are as much to blame maybe even more so by not having a sporting director in place in the summer and cleary it led to where we are now. The players if they want to play champions leauge have to look at themselves to. Although probably the team is tired from all the games. Sensible. There are so many mitigating factors that I can't see a way to attribute enough blame to Howe to say he should be sacked. Luckily 92% of people on here seem to agree. With the current situation I think I would ideally just play the same lineup every game and hope that some relationships develop and we start to click more often. However, that's extremely hard to do with things like no good GK, no fit RB of the right standard, 2 major CMs missing etc. I expect a really hard month coming up but I'd give Howe summer and next season no matter what. Also gives the new execs time to earn their money. I really hope it doesn't become bad enough that he decides to quit, then we really are in trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Just now, midds said: There's so much wrong within the club, on and off the park, I don't think Howe's got it him to fix it. He's definitely on borrowed time. The season has been a disaster and I can't wait for it to over. We're so fucking poor man, it's painful to watch, we've gone backwards very fucking quickly It's not his job to fix the whole club. He already did that once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) We've lost as many games already as Villa did in the whole of last season. Were not on for an equivalent season to them Edited February 7 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: It's not his job to fix the whole club. He already did that once. That's fair enough and I'll concede he's been let down massively off the park. The leadership has also been piss poor and that has made Howe's job really difficult. All that said doesn't excuse the performances of Howe's team once they cross the white line, that's on him. There has to be some accountability due the actual football being served up at some point. Pointing to issues off the field is fair enough, justifying what were seeing during matches is something else completely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Two metrics: Did you get CL? Did you win a cup? Last time I checked Villa and us chopped and changed. Only we won a cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 I would be confident we get Top 4 next season with Howe and investment and no europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPar Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Losing the rat fucker isn't the problem. The problem is that we wasted a shitload of money on average players. We got relatively lucky that Thiaw looks decent and big Nick is clearly a talent but he doesn't fit into the manager's rigid structure. He's young and his confidence is shot because he's not being utilised properly and getting dropped for Missa more and more. Change the formation and either play them both up front (or give Willy a chance up top with Nick), or play Nick as a false 9/ number 10 (playmaker type). Tonali and Bruno have been average as well for most of the season. It's his job to motivate the players and they dont look motivated to me unless it's a Champions league game. This coming summer is potentially looking like a massive rebuild. Do we give Howe the chance to do it or somebody else? If somebody else, who? Stick or twist, I honestly can't give an answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Just now, midds said: That's fair enough and I'll concede he's been let down massively off the park. The leadership has also been piss poor and that has made Howe's job really difficult. All that said doesn't excuse the performances of Howe's team once they cross the white line, that's on him. There has to be some accountability due the actual football being served up at some point. Pointing to issues off the field is fair enough, justifying what were seeing during matches is something else completely Well yes, sure, that's the part he is responsible for. Try a thought experiment where Howe resigns on Monday. Personally I feel a lot more worried about the next 1.5 seasons than if he's still here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 For the first time I actually feel sorry for him at the moment, not sure if that means I back him more or less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 9 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: And many of them do. Absolving him of blame and/or believing he and only he can manage NUFC is incredibly shortsighted. I think I'd say it's more cutting the most successful Newcastle manager in our lifetimes some slack when there are obvious mitigating circumstances, outside of those circumstances he's been nothing but overwhelmingly successful, and the proposed alternative is empty, reading-tea-leaves level "well someone out there must be better" rhetoric, with not a single example given of that happening that is worth anyone hanging their hat on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 *Disclaimer: spoken from the heart But folk can get to fuck shitting on Howe like. One of our greatest ever managers if not the greatest. The club have failed him and no-one at the club has met expectations or indeed exceeded them as frequently as he has. If you're not behind Howe you're a fucking idiot. Several pints deep but fuck it. Colours nailed to the mast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, MagPar said: Losing the rat fucker isn't the problem. The problem is that we wasted a shitload of money on average players. We got relatively lucky that Thiaw looks decent and big Nick is clearly a talent but he doesn't fit into the manager's rigid structure. He's young and his confidence is shot because he's not being utilised properly and getting dropped for Missa more and more. Change the formation and either play them both up front (or give Willy a chance up top with Nick), or play Nick as a false 9/ number 10 (playmaker type). Tonali and Bruno have been average as well for most of the season. It's his job to motivate the players and they dont look motivated to me unless it's a Champions league game. This coming summer is potentially looking like a massive rebuild. Do we give Howe the chance to do it or somebody else? If somebody else, who? Stick or twist, I honestly can't give an answer. For me. 2 finals and 1 won in 4 seasons. 2 champs league in 4. Howe got fucked over by Isak saga. Full summer rebuild, with time on training pitch, Howe is a strong trainer. We have no time this season. No Europe next season I fancy us. Worst comes to worst and start season poorly obviously he would go then. Howe is a legend and should be our manager next season unless we totally shit the bed rest of season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) Nobody says losing Isak explains everything but it's a massive setback. Of course if you get Ekitike it doesn't bother you so much, sadly we were rejected by about 7 strikers. And then we signed 2 proven PL attackers who have done absolutely nothing. Edited February 7 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Well yes, sure, that's the part he is responsible for. Try a thought experiment where Howe resigns on Monday. Personally I feel a lot more worried about the next 1.5 seasons than if he's still here. So there's some kind of responsibility. We've been awful for months on end, I know we've had some good results along the way and we've winged it now and again but they've been the exceptions rather than the rule. Impossible to credit him for the wins and the cups and absolve him for the losses. He's the manager, it's his team and he's calling 100% of the shots Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 It's a fucking no brainer. There's folk on here far more intelligent than me with regards to global football etc. But yoh ask the questions who could do more and better and no one gives a valid answer. Like fuck me man. We all want better. What is viable though? Is there even a better manager in the "better league in the world" is there fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 1 minute ago, midds said: So there's some kind of responsibility. We've been awful for months on end, I know we've had some good results along the way and we've winged it now and again but they've been the exceptions rather than the rule. Impossible to credit him for the wins and the cups and absolve him for the losses. He's the manager, it's his team and he's calling 100% of the shots Am I living in a parallel universe where you didn't bring up everything that's wrong "on and off the park"? Edited February 7 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Just now, Kid Icarus said: I think I'd say it's more cutting the most successful Newcastle manager in our lifetimes some slack when there are obvious mitigating circumstances, outside of those circumstances he's been nothing but overwhelmingly successful, and the proposed alternative is empty, reading-tea-leaves level "well someone out there must be better" rhetoric, with not a single example given of that happening that is worth anyone hanging their hat on. It can be argued what Keegan achieved was more successful unless you believe silverware is the only binary barometer of success. Or the rhetoric of ‘who can we get that will be any better’ which is the sort of belief that got ridiculed on here many a time in various different circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggies Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) Howe is a legend and best manager I’ve witnessed at the club. But - squad needs a rebuild. Does he have the energy and ruthlessness to carry that out? I wouldn’t him blame for stepping aside at the end of the season. Edited February 7 by Maggies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 He's here until the end of the season at least anyway and is thus going to get time to show something better this season. Just going to have to ride the rest of this shit out. We felt a little assuaged at the end of a horrible season under Sir Bobby by playing well against Arsenal and comfortably being Villa in the final two games and then followed it up with a few much needed transfers in the summer so anything can happen still. Got some nice fixtures at the end to achieve that assuegment in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, KennyUtd said: I mean I love Eddie but no support??? Howay man. Leaving him in the Summer without a DOF or CEO was criminal- they have not backed him inJan when the team was crying out for re-enforcements - so yes no support. Edited February 7 by duo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Am I living in a parallel universe where you didn't bring up everything that's wrong "on and off the park"? No, there's loads of stuff wrong off the park, you didn't imagine it But Howe's responsible for the stuff on it. He's picking the team, deciding tactics, training them each day, making subs and keeping them motivated. There has to be some accountability at some stage? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Just now, midds said: No, there's loads of stuff wrong off the park, you didn't imagine it But Howe's responsible for the stuff on it. He's picking the team, deciding tactics, training them each day, making subs and keeping them motivated. There has to be some accountability at some stage? Yes, I was just addressing that part of your post because it's the part that would affect any manager. Nobody denies he's accountable for what he can control, there's just more than that to the overall bigger picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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