Eddie Howe

[TRon]

Just now, The Butcher said:

Would prefer to salvage our league form. We aren't winning shit this season.

 

 

The league's gone man. We need to go to Villa on a mission to bring back victory at all costs. Fuck the PL. 

[Sir Joel Inton]

You just know we’ll beat Villa and get Man City away as a reward.

[TheEntertainer]

I’m sick of hearing about PSR and tiredness at this point. Yes PSR hamstrings us to get into the top 4, but not the top 10. And suggesting he’s tired is ridiculous. That’s his job. The best managers get up and go again no matter how many times they get knocked down. They’re always tired because it’s really fucking hard, but that’s just how it is. If you can’t cope with that you aren’t the right man the for the job. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, TheEntertainer said:

I’m sick of hearing about PSR and tiredness at this point. Yes PSR hamstrings us to get into the top 4, but not the top 10. And suggesting he’s tired is ridiculous. That’s his job. The best managers get up and go again no matter how many times they get knocked down. They’re always tired because it’s really fucking hard, but that’s just how it is. If you can’t cope with that you aren’t the right man the for the job. 

Awful post. Of course he can be tired ffs.

[The Prophet]

12 minutes ago, Pilko said:

I'd love to hear from some of the lads who were being ultra-condescending and know-all to anyone who dared to point out that things were shit in October/November.

 

Can remember loads of phrases like "You'd think people would know better, you'd think they would learn, look at last time when we clicked and went on that winning run, Howe's sides always click by January, he's been hamstrung by the Wissa injury it'll get loads better when he's back".

 

The same posters appear with the same opinions everytime we hit a rough patch. Fire up the thread in his initial months as manager, the beginning of 22/23, around Xmas time in 23/24 or the beginning of 24/25 and you'll find plenty of them. Plenty went way over the top and were way too premature.

 

At the time, there was plenty of evidence in the bank to suggest that he could turn it around and given time, there's still a decent chance that he will. It's been a tough few months for sure, so plenty of back slaps and points scored for sure 

[HaydnNUFC]

20 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

This only his second bite of the cherry. The first was kiboshed by a fair bit of misfortune too.

How many bites of the cherry does he get? Even with this season there’s a fair chance he matches Carver’s record of domestic defeats in a row.

[Andy84]

29 minutes ago, Pilko said:

I'd love to hear from some of the lads who were being ultra-condescending and know-all to anyone who dared to point out that things were shit in October/November.

 

Can remember loads of phrases like "You'd think people would know better, you'd think they would learn, look at last time when we clicked and went on that winning run, Howe's sides always click by January, he's been hamstrung by the Wissa injury it'll get loads better when he's back".

Talk about condescending 

[Gallowgate Toon]

I've given him shit for tactics recently but I thought he made proactive changes today and he is genuinely hamstrung by the full back options.

 

Players need to win their duels, as a bare minimum. We've conceded a lot at home recently. Feels like quite a few are either soft as fuck, don't like defending, or CBA.

 

I imagine he feels pretty sad & frustrated watching us this season. We look very far away from what characterised us for years. 

[Kid Icarus]

I tend not to lean on blaming PSR, but if you're comparing him with the best managers out there, who also don't have any real PSR restraints to speak of, it becomes incredibly relevant.

 

Guardiola was given £500m worth of new players this year and still complains that he doesn't have enough. Meanwhile we've spent £400m ish in 5 years absolutely maxing out our PSR limit. The playing field isn't anywhere near level and in those circumstances it's fair enough to blame it in part for why we're not firing on all cylinders.

 

 

Edited February 7 by Kid Icarus

[Sir Joel Inton]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I tend not to lean on PSR, but if you're comparing him with the best managers out there, who also don't have any real PSR restraints to speak of, it becomes incredibly relevant.

 

Guardiola was given £500m worth of new players this year and still complains that he doesn't have enough. Meanwhile we've spent £400m ish in 5 years absolutely maxing out our PSR limit. The playing field isn't anywhere near level and in those circumstances it's fair enough to blame it in part for why we're not firing on all cylinders.

 

How is Guardiola in any way relevant? 

 

Has anyone suggested Howe is failing because we’re not competing for 2nd with Man City? 
 

No. They’ve pointed out we should be doing much better than 12th and based on our expenditure, we should be.

 

 

Edited February 7 by Sir Joel Inton

[Andy84]

The we spent £250 million argument is fairly undermined by the fact we done nothing much for a while before it 

[Bimpy474]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

I tend not to lean on blaming PSR, but if you're comparing him with the best managers out there, who also don't have any real PSR restraints to speak of, it becomes incredibly relevant.

 

Guardiola was given £500m worth of new players this year and still complains that he doesn't have enough. Meanwhile we've spent £400m ish in 5 years absolutely maxing out our PSR limit. The playing field isn't anywhere near level and in those circumstances it's fair enough to blame it in part for why we're not firing on all cylinders.

 

 

 

 

It still amazes me that the Premier League still believe that is fair, and gives everyone an equal chance.  It's mind boggling how skewed it is, and how it's accepted as fair by so many who aren't part of the scummy six. 

[Sandrotastico]

4 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

I've given him shit for tactics recently but I thought he made proactive changes today and he is genuinely hamstrung by the full back options.

 

Players need to win their duels, as a bare minimum. We've conceded a lot at home recently. Feels like quite a few are either soft as fuck, don't like defending, or CBA.

 

I imagine he feels pretty sad & frustrated watching us this season. We look very far away from what characterised us for years. 

 

far too many are soft as fuck if we're being honest - some look half arsed and need to step up the effort.

[bobbydazzla]

8 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I tend not to lean on PSR, but if you're comparing him with the best managers out there, who also don't have any real PSR restraints to speak of, it becomes incredibly relevant.

 

Guardiola was given £500m worth of new players this year and still complains that he doesn't have enough. Meanwhile we've spent £400m ish in 5 years absolutely maxing out our PSR limit. The playing field isn't anywhere near level and in those circumstances it's fair enough to blame it in part for why we're not firing on all cylinders.

If any other evidence is needed, then look at Carrick, the sacked Boro manager, who steps into a side worth billions in transfer fees, that gets paid millions in weekly wages and is only playing once a week in the league because they’ve been so shite that they’ve missed out on Europe and been knocked out of both cups.

 

And hey presto, the sacked Boro manager wins every game with his billion pound squad.  
 

It’s a loaded deck. Which is exactly why PSR exists.

 

 

Edited February 7 by bobbydazzla

[Bimpy474]

4 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

How is Guardiola in any way relevant? 

 

Has anyone suggested Howe is failing because we’re not competing for 2nd with Man City? 
 

No. They’ve pointed out we should be doing much better than 12th and based on our expenditure, we should be.

 

 

 

 

Not sure anyone is disputing that, we should be doing better, anyone would be mad to argue against that. However there are reasoning for the poor form, reasons not excuses imo. 

 

 

Edited February 7 by Bimpy474

[HaydnNUFC]

3 minutes ago, Andy84 said:

The we spent £250 million argument is fairly undermined by the fact we done nothing much for a while before it 

That can be swung around to an argument of we spent £125m net on a team that finished 5th and look lucky to be finishing in the top half this season.

 

 

Edited February 7 by HaydnNUFC

[Jonas]

At least surely to goodness were at the point where we can just accept the reality that we've been naff this season. Its been a long time coming I feel.

We can debate what to do now from that point, but that is the point were at.  Not 'one or two players needed in the summer' or 'we played okay for half' before and after being tonked.  

 

Wish we could give him the rest of this season off to recharge and refresh because I think that's more important than changing the playing staff (I doubt we'll get either the quality or quantity needed in the summer), rather than severing ties completely.  We play like the coach is knackered, which he probably is.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The solution seems to me to revolve around playing the same players every game, something which he can't do. 

 

With the injuries, the fixture load and the rotation it's really hard to point to any relationships in the team that are really working. 

[Keegans Export]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I tend not to lean on blaming PSR, but if you're comparing him with the best managers out there, who also don't have any real PSR restraints to speak of, it becomes incredibly relevant.

 

Guardiola was given £500m worth of new players this year and still complains that he doesn't have enough. Meanwhile we've spent £400m ish in 5 years absolutely maxing out our PSR limit. The playing field isn't anywhere near level and in those circumstances it's fair enough to blame it in part for why we're not firing on all cylinders.

 

Yeah but Guardiola is tasked with winning the Premier League/Champions League, not qualifying for the Europa League. 

 

Brentford have just beaten us at home, scoring three times in the process and they've spent £300m (net) less than we have in the past five years. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Keegans Export said:

Yeah but Guardiola is tasked with winning the Premier League/Champions League, not qualifying for the Europa League. 

 

Brentford have just beaten us at home, scoring three times in the process and they've spent £300m (net) less than we have in the past five years. 

 

We've been better than Brentford for most of that time.

[Erikse]

35 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

We have absolutely no idea how good Andrews or his like actually are. We have very limited evidence often in extremely favourable circumstances, that often pale in comparison to Howe's achievements.

 

The whole Glasner thing perfectly sums it up imo. An obviously very good manager, now managing in difficult circumstances and the results have suffered - suddenly no one's mentioning him. It doesn't mean it's a reflection on him and his ability, it just happens, same as it did for 80% of Villa’s season under Emery last year, same as it is for us now. 

 

Bit of a weird example. They finished on the same amount of points as us (we had no europe), despite going all the way to the quarterfinal in CL, and reaching the semifinal in the FA Cup. If anything that proves that it can be done with a relatively thin squad.

 

 

Edited February 7 by Erikse

[Displayname]

6 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

I've given him shit for tactics recently but I thought he made proactive changes today and he is genuinely hamstrung by the full back options.

 

Players need to win their duels, as a bare minimum. We've conceded a lot at home recently. Feels like quite a few are either soft as fuck, don't like defending, or CBA.

 

I imagine he feels pretty sad & frustrated watching us this season. We look very far away from what characterised us for years. 

Or some has played way to much. 

With very few exceptions Thiaw and Tonali has played twice a week since the start of the season, Hall since he came back from injury. Thats going to have an impact.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Erikse said:

Bit of a weird example. They finished on the same amount of points as us (with no europe), despite going all the way to the quarterfinal in CL, and reaching the semifinal in the FA Cup. If anything that proves that it can be done with a relatively thin squad.

 

We've proved that ourselves TBF, until this season. 

[Sandrotastico]

4 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

If any other evidence is needed, then look at Carrick, the sacked Boro manager, who steps into a side worth billions in transfer fees, that gets paid millions in weekly wages and is only playing once a week in the league because they’ve been so shite that they’ve missed out on Europe and been knocked out of both cups.

 

And hey presto, the sacked Boro manager wins every game with his billion pound squad.  
 

It’s a loaded deck. Which is exactly why PSR exists.

 

 

 

And a good coach?

[TheEntertainer]

15 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Awful post. Of course he can be tired ffs.

I’m not saying he can’t be tired, of course he can, I’m saying that can’t be an excuse for underperformance.