Eddie Howe

[Casey]

40 minutes ago, Zero said:

I would be honest, a double derby loss to Sunderland, in this season where we should be top 6 and they should be relegation fighters, would be historic. Yea we want Eddie to stay and we will try to play down the importance if the above really happened, but I can imagine what the stadium response be like after the final whistle

 

The players have to win this for Howe. They own him this one.

Unfortunately I fear that you're right. I'd wish that Eddie gets til the end of the season and we'll re-assess. That said, outside of big competition games there's nowt that stirs emotion like the derby.

 

If the smelly mackems come up here and we perform similarly to that Brentford game it could be curtains. Obviously also depends on prior results as this is a crazy period of meaningful & difficult games.

 

We might be out the FA Cup and UCL progression is not guaranteed with our current form. That's alongside City, Everton, Manure and Chelsea in the league. Only Everton at home.

 

I don't envy Howe one bit. If we come out the other side smelling of roses I'll be more than impressed but I'd love to see it.

 

 

Edited February 9 by Casey

[NEEJ]

1 hour ago, cubaricho said:

They are very much about to I just hope everyone keeps their panties dry during that time. 

[TheBrownBottle]

20 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Everything’s ok then. We can relax.

 

Fucksakes.

 

The xG table can get to fuck.

 

No offence. 
 

 

‘If we could finish, we’d be higher’.  Yeah, no shit.  xG is an absolute waste of time. 

[dcmk]

31 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Everything’s ok then. We can relax.

 

Fucksakes.

 

The xG table can get to fuck.

 

No offence. 
 

 

When users are talking about getting rid of Howe, it's a useful tool to indicate we have been crap in front of goal and not taking our chances.   

[Matt1892]

1 minute ago, dcmk said:

When users are talking about getting rid of Howe, it's a useful tool to indicate we have been crap in front of goal and not taking our chances.   

We have played terrible football for 90% of the season, we don’t need xG to tell us that.

 

 

Edited February 9 by Matt1892

[Yorkie]

12 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

‘If we could finish, we’d be higher’.  Yeah, no shit.  xG is an absolute waste of time. 

 

It's as much a waste of time as any other statistic. Whether it's a waste of time is dependent on what you're using it for.

[Yorkie]

1 minute ago, Matt1892 said:

3 minutes ago, dcmk said:

When users are talking about getting rid of Howe, it's a useful tool to indicate we have been crap in front of goal and not taking our chances.   

We have played terrible football for 90% of the season, we don’t need xG to tell us that.

 

Who's saying that? It's just one statistic among many others which provides data about overall performance. No one says it has to be the be-all and end-all.

[bobbydazzla]

9 minutes ago, dcmk said:

When users are talking about getting rid of Howe, it's a useful tool to indicate we have been crap in front of goal and not taking our chances.   

 

Earning points in football is achieved by scoring more or the same number of goals as you concede. Therefore defence is as important as attack.
 

We can’t keep a clean sheet for love nor money and regularly concede goals that turn wins into draws and draws into losses and we concede far too many at the end of games.

Put that in your xG table pipe and smoke it. 
 

No offence. 

 

 

 

Edited February 9 by bobbydazzla

[Yorkie]

2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Earning points in football is achieved by scoring more or the same number of goals as you concede. Therefore defence is as important as attack.
 

We can’t keep a clean sheet for love nor money and regularly concede goals that turn wins into draws and draws into losses and we concede far too many at the end of games.

Put that in your xG table pipe and smoke it. 
 

No offence. 

 

Sounds mysteriously like you're using numerical data to offer an analysis of our performances there; careful, Bob! 

[bobbydazzla]

18 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Sounds mysteriously like you're using numerical data to offer an analysis of our performances there; careful, Bob! 

Historical, factual, numerical, quantifiable statistics. 

 

Not predictive stat mumbo jumbo that says if my aunty had bollocks she’d be a dolphin. 

 

 

Edited February 9 by bobbydazzla

[Kid Icarus]

Oh class, it's the worst patter of all time again. 

 

Everyone knows what everyone's opinion on xG is. Every mention of it devolving into a few people's mission to wreck any ongoing conversation and turn it into the same merits of xG debate was tiresome months ago.

[Yorkie]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Oh class, it's the worst patter of all time again. 

 

Everyone knows what everyone's opinion on xG is. Every mention of it devolving into a few people's mission to wreck any ongoing conversation and turn it into the same merits of xG debate was tiresome months ago.

 

sorry KI

[bobbydazzla]

5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Oh class, it's the worst patter of all time again. 

 

Everyone knows what everyone's opinion on xG is. Every mention of it devolving into a few people's mission to wreck any ongoing conversation and turn it into the same merits of xG debate was tiresome months ago.

Someone came in here and said according to the xG table we’re 6th

 

Completely ignoring the fact that we’re absolutely shite at the back.

 

If I came in here and said if Wissa was actually sent to a lab and regenerated as Pele we’d be 6th in the table I’d expect to get shot down for posting such nonsense. 

 

 

Edited February 9 by bobbydazzla

[Kid Icarus]

Yes, totally the same thing.

 

As soon as xG was mentioned we all knew what would come next.

[TheBrownBottle]

47 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

It's as much a waste of time as any other statistic. Whether it's a waste of time is dependent on what you're using it for.

In terms of ‘we should be in X position based on xG’ it’s a waste of time.  The only thing it potentially shows is that the team isn’t very good at finishing. 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

In terms of ‘we should be in X position based on xG’ it’s a waste of time.  The only thing it potentially shows is that the team isn’t very good at finishing. 

Or Defend

[Yorkie]

11 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

In terms of ‘we should be in X position based on xG’ it’s a waste of time.  The only thing it potentially shows is that the team isn’t very good at finishing. 

 

Well sure but the poster who brought it up didn't say that; they suggested we'd been unlucky, pointing to xG as evidence of that. Tbf I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, but there was a fair argument (up to say Christmas time) that there was one glaring weakness in the team and - if we could resolve that - maybe we'd start getting somewhere. Sadly, Wissa having basically zero positive impact has banjaxed that idea, and the ropey start has provided the context for a bad league campaign altogether, as opposed to a potential slow burner.

[bobbydazzla]

16 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

In terms of ‘we should be in X position based on xG’ it’s a waste of time.  The only thing it potentially shows is that the team isn’t very good at finishing. 

 

[bobbydazzla]

14 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Or Defend

 

[Displayname]

I don't mind XG in theory, in practice I've seen it be way off the mark too many times to put any kind of weight on it though.

 

But wouldn't be surprised if we underperformed it. That's kinda what you get with a team full (with a few exceptions) of players that can't finish.

 

 

Edited February 9 by Displayname

[bobbydazzla]

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

 

Well sure but the poster who brought it up didn't say that; they suggested we'd been unlucky, pointing to xG as evidence of that. Tbf I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, but there was a fair argument (up to say Christmas time) that there was one glaring weakness in the team and - if we could resolve that - maybe we'd start getting somewhere. Sadly, Wissa having basically zero positive impact has banjaxed that idea, and the ropey start has provided the context for a bad league campaign altogether, as opposed to a potential slow burner.

 

 

We've not been unlucky. We've been shite at the back, weak in midfield and don't put enough of our chances away.

 

Our inability to defend is having more impact than our ability to score.

 

Unless people expect us to win every game 4-3. 

 

[Interpolic]

3 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

We've not been unlucky

 

 

Ironically stats such as xG can be used alongside opinions to form a fuller picture but discussion of them appears to be banned, so...

 

This will be my first and last post on this cos it's the most tedious argument on the forum

[TRon]

9 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

Someone in this thread said we were all a bit misty eyed about Keegan’s time here and the rest of the country just see him as trophy-less at Newcastle.

 

It’s not beyond the realms we’re all currently a bit misty eyed due to having one of the longest runs in sport without a trophy.

 

Eddie has his place assured in the clubs history, but it’s also worth remembering he’s had more money to spend than any manager in our history.

 

It’s also worth noting in regard to the Keegan point and how the rest of the country might assess Eddie’s time here, that a lot of average managers have won the league cup over the years.

 

To name just a few Steve McClaren, Souness, Alex McLeish, Michael Laudrup, Juande Ramos and Ten Hag.

 

He could go on to better things after leaving here but there’s also a chance he joins the club above.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There were figures of a net spend of £430m+ since Howe's been here. I get that we were a long way behind other clubs like Villa who have a net spend of something like £20m or less in that time but the point is, he HAS been supported. Perhaps you could argue he didn't have much expert help, but then if you are going to use the historical squad value as a comparison then look at what we had in place of a CEO back then as a counterpoint. Lee Charnley. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

'Int xG brilliant!

[Yorkie]

12 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

 

We've not been unlucky. We've been shite at the back, weak in midfield and don't put enough of our chances away.

 

Our inability to defend is having more impact than our ability to score.

 

Unless people expect us to win every game 4-3. 

 

 

I would argue the complete opposite tbh.

 

By converting chances you take the pressure off the defensive aspect of things and probably don't shit the bed quite so much in the final stages. 23/24 is a good example of this; there's six games where we scored three without reply. Several more where we scored a hatful but conceded once, twice, three times without it affecting the result.

 

Everything bad about our play this season can be traced back to not putting our chances away imo. Do that and you take the pressure off the defence, build momentum and confidence, and probably start to play better football on the whole.

 

People will gladly lump all of our summer signings into the shitpile, but if just one of the strikers worked out, we're looking at a very different season altogether imo.