AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I would definitely like to see some new coaches come in. Not that any of us really know how good they are, but our setup does sometimes seem small compared to the top clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I would definitely like to see some new coaches come in. Not that any of us really know how good they are, but our setup does sometimes seem small compared to the top clubs. Do think some new ideas coming in might benefit us. Doesn’t Pep change his assistant every so often? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, Danh1 said: Do think some new ideas coming in might benefit us. Doesn’t Pep change his assistant every so often? Hes got Klopps old assistant now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Woodgate would've been an interesting shout before he went to Man U. Maybe he'll become available if Carrick doesn't keep the job. (As coach I mean, not manager ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Joel Inton Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Froggy said: Absolutely. Feels like the amount of control Eddie has at you is part of the reason he's starting to fail, but he wouldn't have any of that at us. As a coach I don't think there is much better out there. This is bang on. However, whenever we (or Bournemouth) have tried to implement anything else other than his control, he falls out with the sporting director and we start again. His methods require the control to an extent though, so I can understand it. He’d never bring in 10 unknown players as it’d take him a full season to trust them and be confident they’ll follow his methods (see Hall as a prime example). Therefore he’d have the issues he’s had here before where rotation is required due to extra games but turning to his bench and refusing to give anyone time because they’re not trusted, leading to injury crisis and downturn in form. It’s why he’s so loyal to his leadership group, they are the trusted circle. He’d rather play four Dan Burns at the back than any of our other back four. We’ve seen it when Hall has been sat on the bench to shoehorn Burn into the side and a position he is totally incapable of. It’s also why (whether some can accept it or not), his preference was to retain Wilson rather than improve on him. He’s trusted, he knows what Howe wants and he will carry out that role. That’s a lot more important than letting him go and recruiting a hot prospect 22 year old who could work on the fringes of the side. These approaches work to an extent, especially when you create that siege mentality of underdogs. However, that only gets you so far, as we’ve found. If I thought he would be willing to adapt and change this, I’d keep him in a heartbeat. But there is no evidence he is or ever will be. This is also why it’s laughable to suggest he would succeed at a club where he is given 20 new first team players every season to try and form a side with. Edited March 23 by Sir Joel Inton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) Usually when we say Howe is too loyal it's to players that he has actively tried to replace. Longstaff, Burn, Trippier, Wilson, Murphy I would all put in that category. Edited March 23 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 10 minutes ago, Froggy said: Absolutely. Feels like the amount of control Eddie has at you is part of the reason he's starting to fail, but he wouldn't have any of that at us. As a coach I don't think there is much better out there. Tbh the extent of it is all largely unknown here, particularly in comparison to the level of control other managers have at their clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 21 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said: I understand the strength of feeling, that was an absolute horror show performance TBH and losing to them twice in a season is unacceptable. For me the sensible decision is to support Eddie and see what next season brings, I don't want to join the carousel that so many other clubs are currently on: trying to find a coach who can cut it at the top in this league. Eddie has shown he has the potential to do that, anyone else other than proven elite e.g. Pep, Ancelotti would be a bigger risk, that's the way I look at it. There are many mitigating circumstances for this season, and yet, it's only really been a major disappointment in the league. I find statements that Eddie's teams 'can't compete on multiple fronts' hyperbolic. As the holders we got to the semi-finals in our defence of the league cup, the fifth round of the FA cup after drawing three successive premier league opponents and losing to Man City, and we progressed the furthest we ever have in the CL. We competed fairly well on multiple fronts, I'd suggest. The league form has been a big issue, though, that's undeniable. I can understand why some are impatient for change, but given the turmoil above him since Eddie took over: AS leaving, Eales's cancer, Ashworth fucking off immediately, the Mitchell disaster, Isak, etc, I'd like to see what Eddie can achieve with relative stability above him. If it doesn't work out and we're not making progress, then fair enough. But I'd like to see it before we move on to a phase we might very quickly be sickened by. Agree with most of this, think its debatable we will get a summer of stability though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Joel Inton Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Usually when we say Howe is too loyal it's to players that he has actively tried to replace. Longstaff, Burn, Trippier, Wilson, Murphy I would all put in that category. He stopped Trippier from leaving and tried to resign Wilson why are we re-writing history? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Usually when we say Howe is too loyal it's to players that he has actively tried to replace. Longstaff, Burn, Trippier, Wilson, Murphy I would all put in that category. You could argue that we held on to some of them for too long imo. Or we didn't try to sell them soon enough (that we know of). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said: He stopped Trippier from leaving and tried to resign Wilson why are we re-writing history? I'm not saying he wanted Trippier to leave but he didn't want him to start every game. And we might have been OK to keep Wilson as third choice on a really cheap deal, that doesn't mean Howe thinks he's the answer to anything. We peddled Longstaff, we signed Hall for LB (albeit bringing him in slowly), we signed Botman for LCB, we tried to upgrade Murphy with Elanga. None except Hall has really gone well for various reasons, but to me it's just not true to say Howe is overly loyal to these players. if anything I'd say he and the club have been very good at identifying where our strengths and weaknesses are. Edited March 23 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: You could argue that we held on to some of them for too long imo. Or we didn't try to sell them soon enough (that we know of). Possibly, but mostly they were intended to stay as part of the squad and not play anywhere near the minutes they have done. Either way the point is that we brought in other players in their positions who were intended to be better. No doubt he values the character that some of those names have, I don't think that's a problem. Edited March 23 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 14 minutes ago, Froggy said: Absolutely. Feels like the amount of control Eddie has at you is part of the reason he's starting to fail, but he wouldn't have any of that at us. As a coach I don't think there is much better out there. I'm not sure about that any more. I have no doubt he could get better results with better players, but I think he hasn't really worked out a method which suits the players we do have. I don't know if he would be that successful at Man U with your players if he was going 433 and going full intensity over 90 mins every game of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Just now, TRon said: I'm not sure about that any more. I have no doubt he could get better results with better players, but I think he hasn't really worked out a method which suits the players we do have. I don't know if he would be that successful at Man U with your players if he was going 433 and going full intensity over 90 mins every game of the season. But with the Man U players that wouldn't be necessary because they're technically much better and can retain the ball and turn more attacks into real chances. In theory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 hours ago, r0cafella said: We've been consistently inconsistent all season. And I do get the argument of giving him more time, however personally speaking I'm terrified of giving him or his nephew anymore money to spend. The system appears to no longer work, it looks like we've been well and truly figured out. Alarmingly regarding the final point I don't think a "settled" summer exists for us whilst we have players which cartel clubs want, it just becomes a question of who is this summer's big departure. If Howe stays another season I would be very surprised if he has as much say in our future targets given what happened last summer. He'll get the final sign off obviously, but it will be Wilson's job to identify the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I'll take a break from the incessant posting for a few hours. FWIW if we can put out Tonali, Bruno and Joelinton after the break I still expect a respectable finish to the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: But with the Man U players that wouldn't be necessary because they're technically much better and can retain the ball and turn more attacks into real chances. In theory. I've just not seen that much from Howe to suggest that would be the direction he would go, i.e. possession based and with less focus on a high press and intensity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Joel Inton Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I'm not saying he wanted Trippier to leave but he didn't want him to start every game. And we might have been OK to keep Wilson as third choice on a really cheap deal, that doesn't mean Howe thinks he's the answer to anything. We peddled Longstaff, we signed Hall for LB (albeit bringing him in slowly), we signed Botman for LCB, we tried to upgrade Murphy with Elanga. None has really gone well for various reasons, but to me it's just not true to say Howe is overly loyal to these players. if anything I'd say he and the club have been very good at identifying where our strengths and weaknesses are. Depends if you’re talking about right now or 12-18 months ago. At other top clubs Trippier, Burn and Wilson would have been peddled long before they were or will be. That’s down to the reasons set out in my earlier post. Howe is not stupid, he’ll know Trippier needs replacing as he cannot play until he’s 45. However, he’s replacing him far too late on for reasons already set out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayubeproud Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 One other thing about control, I think Howe's tendency to 'correct' players to fit into his system could set him back at times. This approach might work very well for average players. But for more talented players, giving them some degree of freedom may work better in unlocking their potentials. I always find this speech from Ancelotti inspiring: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 14 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Agree with most of this, think its debatable we will get a summer of stability though. Above him? It's debatable to the extent that anything is debatable, but there are no indications that the structure above him will change imminently, not that I'm aware of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Howe is likely going nowhere. Hes got this club wrapped round his little finger and I think the Saudi’s are not that arsed about the club to make a statement manager signing. Let’s see what absolute dog shit Andy Howe can cook up in the Summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 42 minutes ago, Mattoon said: And for those saying what would be different and Eddie got the players he wanted last summer? No he didn't, he missed out on most of the players he wanted and ended up panic buying for the positions that needed filling, granted, one or two were probably his first choice, but with an experienced DOF in place whats not to say we couldn't entice at least one of his top targets? It's all conjecture either way but it's unfair to suggest this is the exact team he wanted. It doesn’t matter what he wanted. We weren’t in a position to get those players as soon as a club comes in offering £150k plus per week. You have to deal with what is, not what you want it to be. Again, Caulkin said we (he), made a conscious decision to prioritise targets in the league. Elanga, Wissa and Ramsey were his targets. £150m and a PSR boost for a direct rival. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, Jesse Pinkman said: Howe is likely going nowhere. Hes got this club wrapped round his little finger and I think the Saudi’s are not that arsed about the club to make a statement manager signing. Let’s see what absolute dog shit Andy Howe can cook up in the Summer What about his boss Steve Nickson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 15 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: But with the Man U players that wouldn't be necessary because they're technically much better and can retain the ball and turn more attacks into real chances. In theory. All of our players are technically capable of retaining the ball, with the probable exceptions of Murphy and Elanga, but they're not coached that way. Our squad is full of international footballers - if we wanted them to retain the ball, it would be evident in the way we play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 4 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: What about his boss Steve Nickson? Jesse has a dartboard with Andy Howe in the middle or something. Borderline obsession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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