Eddie Howe

[Froggy]

3 minutes ago, Zero said:

I was a bit surprised by that tbh. Sesko debatable, Mbeumo and Cunha both are fucking great this season

 

I think the only strikers who have more goals per 90 this season than Sesko are Igor Thiago and Haaland.  Weird one from Branko.

 

Anyway, carry on.

[Sir Joel Inton]

3 hours ago, Teasy said:

 

No, people are actually giving reasons why they think Howe isn't good enough.  But they're being met with "but he did well in the past".  If you can argue someone's success in the past will lead to success in the future then great.  But you need to argue that, not point to "credit in the bank".  Seems like the only argument I see for Eddie Howe is loyalty.and/or nostalgia.  I don't want to have to say that.  I think he's a good and honest man who's done his best and cares about the club.  He's been a big part of a huge improvement in the history of Newcastle United.  But it's small time to put that ahead of improving the club.

 

 

 

 

It’s also blind loyalty to suggest any minute he will learn and change it when his limitations and issues holding us back today were present at Bournemouth.

 

He was relegated, took a year out, has had 5 years in another job and still hasn’t learned. Why is he suddenly going to change his ways overnight after losing to the mackems?

[Stuy_O]

I do wonder if he's even getting through to the players any more, or if the whole thing is too nice behind closed doors and he's treating them like good mates. The unserious half arsed nature of our performances is incredible. They play like the just have to turn up in a lot of these games, a whiff of arrogance with it. 

 

I get the volume of games is high, but we've been playing poor really since the first game, and a few warning signs were there last season too in spite of the cup success. If we're honest the football is abysmal to watch. 

 

He is a Newcastle legend and a credit to his profession and how he conducts himself, in a sea of clowns that occupy seats at other clubs. I'm torn now as the club probably are, if now is the time to change. The next appointment would have to be a real head turner, to bring the club onto the next level. Otherwise you risk status quo, or worse. 

 

 

Edited March 23 by Stuy_O

[GEFAFWISP]

He's burnt all his matches, players stop responding if they're having an inquest every two weeks. It's gone very stale and that either needs a full rebuild or a fresh set of ideas from someone else. I hate that this is happening but it's not been acceptable for a short while now.

[The Prophet]

3 hours ago, Teasy said:

 

No, people are actually giving reasons why they think Howe isn't good enough.  But they're being met with "but he did well in the past".  If you can argue someone's success in the past will lead to success in the future then great.  But you need to argue that, not point to "credit in the bank".  Seems like the only argument I see for Eddie Howe is loyalty.and/or nostalgia.  I don't want to have to say that.  I think he's a good and honest man who's done his best and cares about the club.  He's been a big part of a huge improvement in the history of Newcastle United.  But it's small time to put that ahead of improving the club.

 

 

 

 

What if his past achievements are ultimately evidence of an ability to problem solve, improve and overachieve though?

 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

What if his past achievements are ultimately evidence of an ability to problem solve, improve and overachieve though?

 

I think the issue with this line of thinking is we've been flapping around for awhile now with no signs of him being able to change it and we are rapidly reaching a crossroads where we continue to plough on spend more money or we make a break. 

 

As things stands right now I don't know which is the better option personally. I said awhile back that for me, he stays until the end of the season and we review it then. If we finish bottom half my finger would be itchy though and this sentiment is prior to yesterdays shambles. 

[hallihg]

16 minutes ago, Stuy_O said:

I do wonder if he's even getting through to the players any more, or if the whole thing is too nice behind closed doors and he's treating them like good mates. The unserious half arsed nature of our performances is incredible. They play like the just have to turn up in a lot of these games, a whiff of arrogance with it. 

 

I get the volume of games is high, but we've been playing poor really since the first game, and a few warning signs were there last season too in spite of the cup success. If we're honest the football is abysmal to watch. 

 

He is a Newcastle legend and a credit to his professions and how he conducts himself, in a sea of clowns that occupy seats at other clubs. I'm torn now as the club probably are, if now is the time to change. The next appointment would have to be a real head turner, to bring the club onto the next level. Otherwise you risk status quo, or worse. 

 

 

 

These are also my thoughts. Of course our results are due to various factors - but the most simple explanation is usually the correct one. Eddie is in his fifth year. Many players are not applying themselves or playing with much urgency, second half horrors after half time talks, and emergency player meetings every 3 months now. The motivation to play for Eddie seems to have diminished greatly. If so, that alone calls for a change, and that doesnt downplay all hes done for us and his status as a legend. Its that or we risk a full rebuild with Eddie, knowing his upsides and downsides.

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

6 hours ago, Mountain said:

Iraola is incredibly ugly in appearance

Eh ?

[The Prophet]

Just now, r0cafella said:

I think the issue with this line of thinking is we've been flapping around for awhile now with no signs of him being able to change it and we are rapidly reaching a crossroads where we continue to plough on spend more money or we make a break. 

 

As things stands right now I don't know which is the better option personally. I said awhile back that for me, he stays until the end of the season and we review it then. If we finish bottom half my finger would be itchy though and this sentiment is prior to yesterdays shambles. 

 

Up until Barcelona, we'd looked much better away from home. The most recent fire has been our home form, where games have been far too stretched and riddled with defensive errors.

 

Howe is clearly trying to shift things around with limited training ground time, some of it has come off, some of it hasn't.

 

For me, with what he's proven to date, he deserves a "settled" summer to see if he can push us on. If we're still struggling next year, then fair enough, look at improvements.

[r0cafella]

Just now, The Prophet said:

 

Up until Barcelona, we'd looked much better away from home. The most recent fire has been our home form, where games have been far too stretched and riddled with defensive errors.

 

Howe is clearly trying to shift things around with limited training ground time, some of it has come off, some of it hasn't.

 

For me, with what he's proven to date, he deserves a "settled" summer to see if he can push us on. If we're still struggling next year, then fair enough, look at improvements.

We've been consistently inconsistent all season. And I do get the argument of giving him more time, however personally speaking I'm terrified of giving him or his nephew anymore money to spend. The system appears to no longer work, it looks like we've been well and truly figured out. 

 

Alarmingly regarding the final point I don't think a "settled" summer exists for us whilst we have players which cartel  clubs want, it just becomes a question of who is this summer's big departure. 

[Stuy_O]

7 minutes ago, hallihg said:

These are also my thoughts. Of course our results are due to various factors - but the most simple explanation is usually the correct one. Eddie is in his fifth year. Many players are not applying themselves or playing with much urgency, second half horrors after half time talks, and emergency player meetings every 3 months now. The motivation to play for Eddie seems to have diminished greatly. If so, that alone calls for a change, and that doesnt downplay all hes done for us and his status as a legend. Its that or we risk a full rebuild with Eddie, knowing his upsides and downsides.

 

It's either this or wholesale squad changes, but i don't think this is as simple as we would like. The desperation the see the likes of Willock, Pope, Kraft and co leave is understandable, but getting all the deadwood out in a PSR world will be very difficult and thats not even considering our truly good players leaving. 

 

Do you stick with to Eddie oversee all this going into next season or do you let someone new take the reins in what is bound to be another summer of chaos. The situation reminds a little bit of Pochettino at spurs, in that change is a significant risk but kind of forced as the manager's stint had run its course. 

[Chicken Dancer]

2 hours ago, Groundhog63 said:

Maybe it's because my life hasn't ended after losing to Sunderland again but who do the Eddie Out brigade want in?

 

I mean he's run out of steam, managing a team that's shit, is what I've read 🤔

 

I'm not sure which "elite" manager they're getting a bone on for?

I never quite understand this. People do it about players we signed in the summer too; ‘who would you have signed instead?’.

 

I’d not heard of a few managers in the Premier League before they came over here, same way I’d not heard of half of the signings Sunderland made in the summer. Yet they’ve just taken the piss out of us in our own backyard and every single one of them would have done a job for us this season. 
 

There’s people at the club paid hundreds of thousands of ££ to scout players and have an eye on coaches. Whether you trust them or not is a different thing altogether but the average football fan doesn’t have an in depth knowledge of players/coaches on the continent and beyond. 

 

 

Edited March 23 by Chicken Dancer

[astraguy]

Wot Eddie ✌🏻

 

 

 

Edited March 23 by astraguy

[JigsawGoesToPieces]

14 hours ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Nagelsmann - could look to get back into club football 

Iraola - contract expires in the Summer 

Tuchel - contract expires in the Summer 

Glasner - leaving in the Summer 

Sebastian Hoeneß - statistically one of the best managers in Europe 

Conte - free agent and serial winner 

Simone Inzaghi - one of the top managers in Serie A

 

Wildcard 

 

Xavi - would be interesting to see what he can do with the team 

Mourinho - people will disagree with this one but a sentimental part of me wouldn’t be against this 

 

Tuchel signed a new contract with England

[KaKa]

6 hours ago, Mountain said:

Eddie just needs a stern telling off and someone else to sort the transfers.

 

Um ... think Eales tried this already and it didn't work.

 

 

Indeed, Mitchell believes there needs to be better balance between recruiting domestically and internationally.

 

Asked if the club had been too Premier League focussed in the market, Newcastle’s sporting director replied: “I wouldn’t say too much because we’ve signed players from other leagues at great cost but I think it’s normal for domestic clubs to look first domestically.

 

“I just think there probably needs to be more of a balance at looking externally and globally and looking that way and stretch our radius. It’s normal to look domestically. There just needs to be a better balance. But we have signed players from abroad. We have done that, it’s clear.

 

“Should we stretch our radius, look at where there’s under-valued pockets of talent, like the way I managed to do quite successfully at Monaco should we balance our strategy.”

 

Mitchell has a track record of signing excellent players for a low cost, including Son Heung-min at Tottenham Hotspur, Sadio Mane at Southampton and Christopher Nkunku at RB Leipzig - all signed for a reported £46million combined.

While Howe is expected to still get the final say on transfer, Mitchell has also hinted at putting his own processes in place for windows to come.

 

“I think that Eddie [Howe] has shown an ability to evolve over time,” Mitchell said. “Coming to Newcastle posed different challenges to Bournemouth and I think he’s very smart and knows that there needs to be evolution.

 

“I think that he’s smart enough to recognise there needs to be an evolution and every coach that I’ve worked with, in the end, just want good players. That’s simplistic but I think that Eddie just wants good players and it’s a collective responsibility between me and him to understand if there are other areas to look at to bring those good players to his team and be coached by him.”

[Wilson]

8 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I never quite understand this. People do it about players we signed in the summer too; ‘who would you have signed instead?’.

 

There’s people at the club paid hundreds of thousands of ££ to scout players and have an eye on coaches. Whether you trust them or not is a different thing altogether but the average football fan doesn’t have an in depth knowledge of players/coaches on the continent and beyond. 

 

 

 

 

Yet the same people who don't have that in depth knowledge know for a fact Eddie isn't capable of taking us forward despite seeing the teams he's capable of creating, just because he's had one tough/relentless season with a squad that wasn't ready to fight on 4 fronts. 

 

A tough relentless season fighting on 4 fronts thanks to the man himself, I'll add. 

[Mattoon]

I understand everyone's frustrations, especially after losing to those lot and at home, it cuts deeper than anything that went before it. But I don't think now is the time to turn on Howe, emotions are high in the aftermath of what is an horrific loss.

 

Having said that, to those who are saying nothing is going to change, I thoroughly believe we come out of this international break a different animal, the limitations of tactical changes have have more to do with the turn around time of games than Howe himself, we've had, what, 4 or 5 actual days on the training pitch since the turn of the year? That is about to change dramatically and Howe does his best work with limited players outside of games, it's a limitation but also a strength.

[Abacus]

A win yesterday and we're sitting in a decent league position having had two decent domestic cup runs with some horrible draws and a relentless CL campaign with it's fair share of highlights. 

 

Whilst things are gloomy now, and we're about to face a crucial summer, I'm not prepared to throw Howe out on the back of one horrible result and what's become a lacklustre league campaign on the back of it, when there's still time to turn that around somewhat.

 

If we don't do that, we do need a major reset. We also need to adapt tactics which initially shocked the league, but where most teams are now playing in a way that can counter it. I'd prefer to see if Howe can do that, but as it stands we don't really have the squad to adapt to a different style.

[The Prophet]

28 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

We've been consistently inconsistent all season. And I do get the argument of giving him more time, however personally speaking I'm terrified of giving him or his nephew anymore money to spend. The system appears to no longer work, it looks like we've been well and truly figured out. 

 

Alarmingly regarding the final point I don't think a "settled" summer exists for us whilst we have players which cartel  clubs want, it just becomes a question of who is this summer's big departure. 

 

I agree on the consistency part and while some of that is on Howe, there are substantial mitigating circumstances that are out of his control.

 

In terms of settled, I think I mean no crisis and that's one of the mitigating circumstances I'd include above. Up until last summer, our incoming business was largely excellent, but Howe and others were thrust into a position they should never have been put in. A lot of targets were fine, but it was a complete mess in terms of execution.

[TRon]

6 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

If the club was strong enough to tell him to focus on coaching the first team - and also that a change of style is absolutely required (I don’t think a 4-3-3 pressing system is the future) then all good.  I don’t see those characters at the club atm - and I’m not sure Howe would carry on under those circumstances, either. 

 

 

Tbf, if Howe's remit is coaching and and organising the football on the pitch, he's not going to have anyone above telling him how to set his team up, which I think you have acknowledged there with your last sentence. He'd walk before being told how to play football.

 

I think results will improve now the pressure is off, and he'll get another season. But the same players who couldn't handle the big games this time round will wilt when the pressure returns next season. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, The Prophet said:

 

I agree on the consistency part and while some of that is on Howe, there are substantial mitigating circumstances that are out of his control.

 

In terms of settled, I think I mean no crisis and that's one of the mitigating circumstances I'd include above. Up until last summer, our incoming business was largely excellent, but Howe and others were thrust into a position they should never have been put in. A lot of targets were fine, but it was a complete mess in terms of execution.

We obviously differ on a couple of points but I do respect your POV. 

 

one thing I could never quite grasp about last summer is what people think would have been different? Hand on heart we know the players we bought are the ones he wanted like. 

[TRon]

Just now, r0cafella said:

We obviously differ on a couple of points but I do respect your POV. 

 

one thing I could never quite grasp about last summer is what people think would have been different? Hand on heart we know the players we bought are the ones he wanted like. 

 

Yep. You can say what you like about him being let down by those above, but even if he had to take on more work than he should have, that at least allowed him to go for the players he really wanted. Most of them have turned out to be duds. 

[Chicken Dancer]

22 minutes ago, Wilson said:

 

Yet the same people who don't have that in depth knowledge know for a fact Eddie isn't capable of taking us forward despite seeing the teams he's capable of creating, just because he's had one tough/relentless season with a squad that wasn't ready to fight on 4 fronts. 

 

A tough relentless season fighting on 4 fronts thanks to the man himself, I'll add. 

I think we’re at the point where people are allowed to want a change if they please, surely? Earlier in the season people - including me - probably prematurely jumped the gun at times. But now with 7 games left I reckon it’s more than fair game.
 

We’ve been shite all season in the league save for a few decent performances, spent a fortune on shit, can’t hold on to a lead, can’t keep clean sheets and concede goals for fun.

 

Questions are being quite rightfully asked and thus far there’s been no solutions shown as we keep making the same mistakes over and over again. 
 

I’m not fooled by one off performances against ‘big’ teams at home. The majority of your points should come against the rest and we just ain’t getting them anymore. 
 

We’ll finish about 13th and people will just accept it because we done areet in the cups (we were dumped out of all competitions as soon as we played a good team btw).

[llcoolc157]

Eddie definitely deserves another season, for fucks sake it’s not all doom and gloom.. He has delivered success for the first time in most of our lifetimes, and this season we enjoyed another great European venture with a decent run in the cup to the semi finals… and all that with a very limited squad. Ok, some players we bought who underperformed no doubt he wanted but injuries to the likes of Tino, Bruno, Tonali and miley at key points in the season have really fucked us over… and that’s before Wissa even got going, which to be fair he still hasn’t… basically we just weren’t strong enough to fight on 4 fronts…

Think this summer will be crucial with who stays and goes but need to do it quickly… and some of the ‘so called’ favourites need to be moved on - if we can which is another issue…

A decent break now, 7 games to play for and European qualification still a real possibility… he’s obviously hurting but let’s get behind the fucker, it’s the least he deserves…

[astraguy]

5 minutes ago, llcoolc157 said:

Eddie definitely deserves another season, for fucks sake it’s not all doom and gloom.. He has delivered success for the first time in most of our lifetimes, and this season we enjoyed another great European venture with a decent run in the cup to the semi finals… and all that with a very limited squad. Ok, some players we bought who underperformed no doubt he wanted but injuries to the likes of Tino, Bruno, Tonali and miley at key points in the season have really fucked us over… and that’s before Wissa even got going, which to be fair he still hasn’t… basically we just weren’t strong enough to fight on 4 fronts…

Think this summer will be crucial with who stays and goes but need to do it quickly… and some of the ‘so called’ favourites need to be moved on - if we can which is another issue…

A decent break now, 7 games to play for and European qualification still a real possibility… he’s obviously hurting but let’s get behind the fucker, it’s the least he deserves…

And let's not forget he was in hospital last year, yet some of our scum want to him gone already when we are down to the bare minimum. Khusanov/ Trafford sesko Ekitike Pedro delap oh what a difference they would of been