Eddie Howe

[Chicken Dancer]

Yeah we’ve not got it in us based on this season thus far, though we have not had the benefit of a game a week yet. 
 

After Villa and Liverpool way back in August, we’ve been pretty crap since. A few decent performances along the way but in plenty of our wins we’ve been lucky to get 3 points. 

 

I really don’t want it to get nasty for him, he definitely doesn’t deserve that, but if the remaining 3 home games don’t go well I fear it might. I said pre-match that there’s been more than murmurs in recent games and yesterday was the worst reaction a Newcastle team have had post match for a long time. 

[llcoolc157]

15 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

I remember people saying this after we'd played 7 games of the season. Now we have people saying it when we have 7 games left. 

 

I think we'd have to win just about all of them to recover this campaign but we can always live in hope. 

Sorry, people said what after we’d played 7 games? That we could still get Europe?

anyway, 7 games to go, 5 wins, 1 draw could do it… might, might not but it’s still possible…

and like I say, even without Europe next season we get focussed on the domestic side and have more time to go and challenge for a trophy and champions league..

Hey ho… maybe that’s just me showing my naivety and misplaced optimism after 50 odd years of this rollercoaster… 

[Jesse Pinkman]

We haven’t got much to play for other than Conference League and it’s a World Cup in the Summer. Can’t see the players going above and beyond over the next few games, especially as Howe can’t even get the players fired up for a derby. 

[NUFC91]

43 minutes ago, Ellis H said:

I'm definitely of the opinion that he's taken us as far as he can but not because he's holding us back, but rather because we're holding him back. Both as a club and (a section of) the fan base. 

 

He'll be one of the best managers in the world eventually but chances are it'll be for someone else because the club is a fucking mess and the alleged fans who are desperate for him to go deserve the Pardew and Bruce types that they were perfectly happy to sit through because it scratched their "I fucking love being miserable" itch. 

 

He needs to run for his life and never look back.

 

 

 

Disagree with that, I can't think of a manager's name sang as much as Eddie Howes and we are one of few clubs at away games who stay to end and support and clap players off after defeat.

 

Villa fans have given emery a lot of stick recently and a lot of Everton fans wanted Moyes gone at Christmas, Brighton were booed off twice for getting beat and sat mid table, it was only last week Sunderland were saying Le Bris could be moved on in summer.

 

We are sat 12th with more losses than wins and spend a fortune in the summer, I love Howe and always will as i never thought I see us win anything after 20 off years following us home and away that been said I also understand why some fans think it's time for a change, yesterday was first time I thought the players don't seem up for, sad it was in a derby but generally that 2nd half looked like the players didn't want to know which is opposite to our blueprint for the  last few years.

 

 

 

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

1 hour ago, Ellis H said:

I'm definitely of the opinion that he's taken us as far as he can but not because he's holding us back, but rather because we're holding him back. Both as a club and (a section of) the fan base. 

 

He'll be one of the best managers in the world eventually but chances are it'll be for someone else because the club is a fucking mess and the alleged fans who are desperate for him to go deserve the Pardew and Bruce types that they were perfectly happy to sit through because it scratched their "I fucking love being miserable" itch. 

 

He needs to run for his life and never look back.

 

 

Christ, the Eddie Howe FC fans are out in force tonight 

[Kid Icarus]

The brass neck to say that as someone who's posting with the glee of a kid on Christmas morning.

 

The stereotype of the anti-Howe poster who never posts for yonks then does when times are hard is completely on the money. 

 

Before yesterday you were posting once every 2 weeks.

 

 

Edited March 23 by Kid Icarus

[The Prophet]

5 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Christ, the Eddie Howe FC fans are out in force tonight 

 

I find that they're a nice tonic to the usual gaggle of tedious cunts.

[duo]

It amazes me people forget we went toe to toe with PSG - toe to toe with Barcelona for 135 mins - Eddie isn't perfect but he's far from being close to getting the sack.  He wasn't able to spend for ~4 transfer windows and then when we were able to spend PIF left him with no CEO and no DOF.  The man carried the club that Summer single handedly.  Were mistakes makes in the transfer window?  I think it's safe to say yes but Eddie was being asked to do the role of three FT staff.  We're suffering the consequences of the **** up that was the Summer.  As a fan base we have to cut Eddie some slack for it.  

 

 

Edited March 23 by duo

[andycap]

The problem most his fans forget is we as a project need to be playing European football for the exposure abroad and the money it brings in. 

So we can bring in good players and keep pushing year after year, 

But with eddie we could lose tino tonali bruno gordon in the summer because of his incapabilities of changing his style. 

Which will set us back years should we lose our best players. 

 

[Scottish Mag]

7 minutes ago, andycap said:

The problem most his fans forget is we as a project need to be playing European football for the exposure abroad and the money it brings in. 

So we can bring in good players and keep pushing year after year, 

But with eddie we could lose tino tonali bruno gordon in the summer because of his incapabilities of changing his style. 

Which will set us back years should we lose our best players. 

 

That argument kind of assumes that changing manager guarantees European football, which it doesn’t.  Plenty of clubs have gone down that route and ended up in a cycle of change without actually improving anything.

I get the point about needing Europe, but sacking Howe doesn’t automatically solve that, it just introduces a different set of risks.

 

[bobbydazzla]

No-one’s talked much about what Eddie might want from us. It’s all about what we want from him.

 

Maybe he’s thinking he’d fancy a change. Maybe he’s getting sick of NUFC. 

 

 

Edited March 23 by bobbydazzla

[SUPERTOON]

16 minutes ago, andycap said:

The problem most his fans forget is we as a project need to be playing European football for the exposure abroad and the money it brings in. 

So we can bring in good players and keep pushing year after year, 

But with eddie we could lose tino tonali bruno gordon in the summer because of his incapabilities of changing his style. 

Which will set us back years should we lose our best players. 

 

The majority of players you mention have massively underperformed this season. Yes Howe could be doing better, but so could those players. 

[bobbydazzla]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

The majority of players you mention have massively underperformed this season. Yes Howe could be doing better, but so could those players. 

What came first, the chicken or the egg.

 

They could be underperforming because Howe’s having a frustrating season. Or Howe’s having a frustrating season because the players have been underperforming.

 

Takes two to tango.  

[TheEntertainer]

4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

The majority of players you mention have massively underperformed this season. Yes Howe could be doing better, but so could those players. 

That's his job though right? To get the best from the players? 

[Drewboy74]

16 minutes ago, andycap said:

The problem most his fans forget is we as a project need to be playing European football for the exposure abroad and the money it brings in. 

So we can bring in good players and keep pushing year after year, 

But with eddie we could lose tino tonali bruno gordon in the summer because of his incapabilities of changing his style. 

Which will set us back years should we lose our best players. 

 

If we lose all 4 of them players, Howe will walk and justifiably so. And the reason ( I think) for not changing styles is the fact he can't get on the training pitch to implement them. 

[Maggies]

1 hour ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

What if we miss out on Europe by GD? Or on the last due to a shocking refereeing decision? 

Yeah. We’ve been poor in the two seasons we’ve had European football.

 

Howe’s style of play relies on intensity, which hasn’t been possible so far with the number of games when in Europe. Needs to learn how to balance and without Europe next year, that’s at least another year away. Not convinced it’s possible - so I’d bring in a manager that has more experience.

 

For what it’s worth, I don’t even think the club are close to considering replacing him. More likely Howe resigns as needs a break.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, Ellis H said:

"Sir Bobby said:

"I can't stop the reaction of the crowd. They are what they are. We thanked the ones who stayed behind.

"But I have to remind one or two people that this club has played 28 times in Europe over the last two seasons. A few seem to have forgotten that. The expectation here is so high."

 

"Five of our big players did not play. All five would have played and you have to remember that. My policy has not been to talk about the injuries but we've lost first-team regulars."

 

"We'll need to have resolve and commitment to qualify for the Champions League now. My message to everyone is to get your head up and your chin up.

"There are still two games to play. In football you always have a chance and you have to believe that.".

 

If you know, you know. Some things never change.

 

 

If the implication is Robson shouldn’t have been sacked when he was - you’re right; he should’ve been sacked earlier. 

[Wallsendmag]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Think it's more a case of being unwilling to accept that mitigating circumstances might be a much bigger factor in our season, on your part.

 

I accept the concerns exist, I just think putting them front and centre as the reason for why the season's turned put how it is is confirmation bias. Managers, even the very best ones, aren't infallible things that constantly triumph over adversity. 

 

 

 

 

Not sure what mitigating circumstances you are referring to but we can no longer defend, are easily dominated in midfield, no longer press properly meaning we're easy to play through, concede a ridiculous amount of goals at the ends of each half, and have no sort of playing style. This latest trend of not turning up after HT as has been the case v Man City, Barcelona and Sunderland is also a concern.

 

If people are genuinely believing that's all down to selling Isak I have some magic beans they may be interested in buying.

[Geordie Ahmed]

1 hour ago, J7 said:

Above par for the first 18 months, around par until last summer, below par since. 

So last summer when we had won our first trophy in over half a century and qualified for the CL for only the 2nd time in 20 years was around par?

 

He's got absolutely no chance when people are judging him with such absurdly insane expectations 

[Geordie Ahmed]

29 minutes ago, Maggies said:

Yeah. We’ve been poor in the two seasons we’ve had European football.

 

Howe’s style of play relies on intensity, which hasn’t been possible so far with the number of games when in Europe. Needs to learn how to balance and without Europe next year, that’s at least another year away. Not convinced it’s possible - so I’d bring in a manager that has more experience.

 

For what it’s worth, I don’t even think the club are close to considering replacing him. More likely Howe resigns as needs a break.

 

I think another manager will face the same issue unless one of two things happen, squad improves and/or they are willing to chuck the cups and prioritise the league/Europe 

 

If that is the ask then absolutely no reason Howe can't do that 

[TheBrownBottle]

6 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Not sure what mitigating circumstances you are referring to but we can no longer defend, are easily dominated in midfield, no longer press properly meaning we're easy to play through, concede a ridiculous amount of goals at the ends of each half, and have no sort of playing style. This latest trend of not turning up after HT as has been the case v Man City, Barcelona and Sunderland is also a concern.

 

If people are genuinely believing that's all down to selling Isak I have some magic beans they may be interested in buying.

Completely agree - and if anything, Isak was papering over the cracks. 

[Jagten]

5 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

So last summer when we had won our first trophy in over half a century and qualified for the CL for only the 2nd time in 20 years was around par?

 

He's got absolutely no chance when people are judging him with such absurdly insane expectations 

The concern isn’t his coaching ability (I think he’s very good) but rather the level of influence he has over sporting decisions, which is something he has shown throughout his career to be much less good at

[TheBrownBottle]

6 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

I think another manager will face the same issue unless one of two things happen, squad improves and/or they are willing to chuck the cups and prioritise the league/Europe 

 

If that is the ask then absolutely no reason Howe can't do that 

But it isn’t.  Howe assembled an expensive squad and then - once again - completely and utterly failed at squad management.  He didn’t rotate when he should have.  And if he did want to prioritise that boring, bloated league phase of the CL then he should’ve been fielding reserves in the LC while we were in it.  
 

The whole ‘fatigue because of fixtures’ holds a lot more water if we didn’t look just as shit in August and September.   The line then was ‘Howe’s teams click, they need time’. 

[Geordie Ahmed]

9 minutes ago, Jagten said:

The concern isn’t his coaching ability (I think he’s very good) but rather the level of influence he has over sporting decisions, which is something he has shown throughout his career to be much less good at

This influence over sporting decisions has only shown itself as a concern last few windows

 

Our transfer activity was good when Staveley and then Ashworth was here, it's been poor since then and Howe is not responsible for those two leaving 

[Geordie Ahmed]

9 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

But it isn’t.  Howe assembled an expensive squad and then - once again - completely and utterly failed at squad management.  He didn’t rotate when he should have.  And if he did want to prioritise that boring, bloated league phase of the CL then he should’ve been fielding reserves in the LC while we were in it.  
 

The whole ‘fatigue because of fixtures’ holds a lot more water if we didn’t look just as shit in August and September.   The line then was ‘Howe’s teams click, they need time’. 

As a very much Howe in guy the part about not going full strength in the cups I do agree with 

 

We clearly didn't have the squad to go for it in all and that's hurt us throughout and as a result the fixtures have been relentless since the last International break 

 

If the remit from the club to a new manager is to focus on league/Europe then they can easily give that remit to Howe