Eddie Howe

[mouldy_uk]

1 minute ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Villa also got to the R16 in the CL last season , the FA Cup semi finals and missed out on qualifying for the CL again due to a dodgy refereeing decision. They’ve shown competing on numerous fronts and having a successful league campaign can be done. 
 

I think with the benefit of hindsight Howe would have rested a couple more in the home leg vs Qarabag. 

That Qarabag starting XI has probably annoyed me more than disproportionately anything else this season. To start the likes of Trippier was criminal. 

[Wallsendmag]

Qarabag (H) was a great example of awful squad management tbf.

[huss9]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

Qarabag (H) was a great example of awful squad management tbf.

 

[Whitley mag]

Just now, Danh1 said:

I’d also add to this that last season, when we were playing once a week, it wasn’t exactly a case of us playing well and dominating games. There were some very sketchy performances and we fell over the line due to Villa more than a case of us being decent.

 

I hope that doesn’t come across that I’m trying to diminish what we achieved, but the above is true.

 

I don’t have any faith that next season is going to be much of an improvement on this one tactically, Europe or not. 

It was that run in the middle stretch that saved us, it was another slow start to the season and questions were being asked.

 

There’s no way the club will sack him unless things really nose dive further, I expect him to be here next season but the pressure is going to be huge for him to start well.

[Ellis H]

5 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

 

He wasn't hounded out ffs.  Half the crowd going home after a terrible game against Wolves isn't hounding a manager out. 

There weren't any protests, chants, banners or anything. He was sacked because he was retiring at the end of the season anyway and the players had downed tools causing a bad start. 

 

"Amazing, incredible, unbelievable. 

Three days after the semi-final of a European Cup competition and with a top four league place up for grabs, Newcastle are booed by a section of their own supporters and then handed a colossal vote of no confidence in the manager and players by a collective walkout at the final whistle."

 

From .com. 

 

"Hugo Viana and Laurent Robert were singled out for special treatment by the disgruntled fans - which Speed found particularly upsetting.

 

"I don't think I have ever experienced anything like that before," said Speed.

"We couldn't believe that everybody thought it was all over and that we're out of it now.

 

"As far as Hugo being booed onto the pitch, I have never known that happen. He's a 20-year-old from another country and a great lad.

"I felt awful for him because no-one should have to go through that. It was embarrassing - and unfair.

 

"Everybody has their agenda on Laurent but he's part of the team and if you are booing him you're booing us."

 

Like I said, some things never change. Embarrassing behaviour from embarrassing people. 

[RS]

Just as well we’re just a bunch of daft football fans posting daft views in a daft forum.  The Eddie out brigade seem to have the “Just sack him and we’ll worry about who replaces him later” mentality. Thats daft, but it’s a view. 
 

My daft view is he’s massively over performed since he joined us. Our first team is canny, our squad is shit.  Our backroom off-field team are shit.
 

 I think he’s  the long term solution to us ever changing from a bang average club to a club that can consistently challenge in league, cups and Europe.  But there again, what would I know. I’m just a daft football fan like the rest of us. 

[Geordie Ahmed]

51 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

European football doesn't seem to have affected Villa, and they have a similar sized squad to ours. Could it be that Emery has developed a style of football that is more conducive to playing in multiple competitions?

When we talk about possession football, it's pretty obvious why all the top teams play it - they can manage the game, tire out the opposition and manage their own energy expenditure to prevent fatigue. There's a reason all of the elite managers play it. 
We, on the other hand, run around relentlessly, chase back constantly because we can't keep possession and end up fucking knackered, and injured.

A new manager doesn't have to prioritise one or the other if they play the right kind of football. In fact, Eddie doesn't have to prioritise one or the other if he realised what is staring all of us in the face, and changed his fucking philosophy. 

 

 

A few points

 

- Europa League is not on the same level as CL 

- Villa only played 1 League Cup fixture

- Villa's average possession in the league this season is 53.6%, ours is 52.7%  (Last season when they were in the CL they were 50.6% versus ours at 51.2%)

 

You might think they are this next level possession side but the numbers show there isn't much in it, also in the 3 games we have played them we had more possession than them (2 of the games they went down to 10 men but even before then we still had more possession)

[Yorkie]

25 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

But can’t you see that it may be Howe not getting the most out of the strikers in squad? Gordon is not a striker and his conversion rate from open play leaves a lot to be desired. He stat pads with pens most of the time.
 

It’s been obvious for a while now that Howe can’t change his style and only has one plan. High press and push for the opposition to turn over position in a dangerous area. But this is not sustainable for a team playing in several completions and with a small squad. He needs to adapt instead of doubling down but he won’t. Hence why he now even refuses to play Woltemade up top. 
 

Even the journalists have pushed him on this and his response is not what is plan B but we should’ve executing plan A better. 
 

His style won’t work if we want to compete long term in the CL 

 

Genuinely, no, I don't see it that way. I don't think it's a case of us having a cracking striker just waiting to be unleashed. Woltemade is a rookie and Wissa just seems like a total car crash; he just isn't at the races at all.

 

Beyond filling gaps left by absent bodies, I actually think Howe has got Woltemade in midfield with a view to helping him long-term. He's getting on the ball more and expanding his understanding of how Premier League football is played and how we play; something he wasn't getting as a lone observer up front. Hopefully the rewards will be in the long game with him.

 

You're being harsh on Gordon imo. Him making the CF spot his own could literally save the whole season. He's doing an admirable job up there and the manager deserves some credit for backing him.

[TheBrownBottle]

13 minutes ago, Ellis H said:

 

It's got nothing to do with that. It's about a decent, respectable man who walked into a joke of a club that was fighting relegation who then dragged us up the league and had numerous great league finishes and European cup runs only to find himself being booed and hounded out when we didn't keep progressing at the unsustainable rate we had been. Sound familiar?

It does of course - and I think Howe’s achievement in turning that season around outstripped Robson’s.  
 

I’ll add some more context - when Howe was saving us from relegation, Sunderland were ‘enjoying’ their third successive season in the Third Division.  At the weekend I watched us outplayed and outfought for the second time this season by that club - a gutless, insipid display which would have had some previous NUFC managers being called to be strung up by the knackers from the Gallowgate.  A club which we have outspent considerably to sit below them and have our arses handed to us twice.  
 

I’ve seen enough comments on here about ‘entitlement’.  That’s a criticism I’d join in with if we were struggling to compete with Liverpool and Arsenal.   But we’re not - we’re struggling to compete with fucking Sunderland.  And anyone who watched that shower of shite at the weekend who thinks it is even close to acceptable can shout ‘entitled’ and ‘smug’ until the cows come home.  If that’s what they want for our club they can keep it. 

[Kid Icarus]

15 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

And have you ever heard of another Premier League team having to essentially stop training because they're in a European campaign? I haven't, we're the only one. And our aspirations are to be in the CL every season. 
So, as has been said before, Eddie's current style of management is not suited to a team competing on two fronts. We can't go through this debacle every time.

I haven't just heard of it, all teams do it. No idea where you've pulled the idea that we're the only ones that do it from. 

[Wallsendmag]

4 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

A few points

 

- Europa League is not on the same level as CL 

- Villa only played 1 League Cup fixture

- Villa's average possession in the league this season is 53.6%, ours is 52.7%  (Last season when they were in the CL they were 50.6% versus ours at 51.2%)

 

You might think they are this next level possession side but the numbers show there isn't much in it, also in the 3 games we have played them we had more possession than them (2 of the games they went down to 10 men but even before then we still had more possession)

 

I'm not all that interested in those possession figures. Mpre importantly they are 12 points ahead of us in a season where we are in the Champions League and they are in the Europa League.

 

Last season they were in the Champions League and we weren't in Europe at all and we finished level with them on 66 points. 

 

They manage the extra games better than we do. Whether that's down to them having a better squad or making better use of it is up for debate.

[TheBrownBottle]

11 minutes ago, Ellis H said:

 

"Amazing, incredible, unbelievable. 

Three days after the semi-final of a European Cup competition and with a top four league place up for grabs, Newcastle are booed by a section of their own supporters and then handed a colossal vote of no confidence in the manager and players by a collective walkout at the final whistle."

 

From .com. 

 

"Hugo Viana and Laurent Robert were singled out for special treatment by the disgruntled fans - which Speed found particularly upsetting.

 

"I don't think I have ever experienced anything like that before," said Speed.

"We couldn't believe that everybody thought it was all over and that we're out of it now.

 

"As far as Hugo being booed onto the pitch, I have never known that happen. He's a 20-year-old from another country and a great lad.

"I felt awful for him because no-one should have to go through that. It was embarrassing - and unfair.

 

"Everybody has their agenda on Laurent but he's part of the team and if you are booing him you're booing us."

 

Like I said, some things never change. Embarrassing behaviour from embarrassing people. 

From the same .com article:

 

’Thanks for trying Bobby, but it's defeated you, like all the rest. We've cheered you, we've supported you and now we just plain don't believe you anymore. And neither do the players. We got close, we've almost failed. Again.’

 

.com were (correctly) criticising the booing - they were not suggesting that Robson should stay on. 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

I'm not all that interested in those possession figures. Mpre importantly they are 12 points ahead of us in a season where we are in the Champions League and they are in the Europa League.

 

Last season they were in the Champions League and we weren't in Europe at all and we finished level with them on 66 points. 

 

They manage the extra games better than we do. Whether that's down to them having a better squad or making better use of it is up for debate.

 

Quite frankly I don't care if you are interested, I was replying to a post which specifically mentioned possession

[huss9]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

I'm not all that interested in those possession figures. Mpre importantly they are 12 points ahead of us in a season where we are in the Champions League and they are in the Europa League.

 

Last season they were in the Champions League and we weren't in Europe at all and we finished level with them on 66 points. 

 

They manage the extra games better than we do. Whether that's down to them having a better squad or making better use of it is up for debate.

people dont seem to have grasped this.

[Kid Icarus]

19 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Villa also got to the R16 in the CL last season , the FA Cup semi finals and missed out on qualifying for the CL again due to a dodgy refereeing decision. They’ve shown competing on numerous fronts and having a successful league campaign can be done. 
 

I think with the benefit of hindsight Howe would have rested a couple more in the home leg vs Qarabag. 

That ref decision was correct, but Emery's lauders always cherry pick that as the reason Villa didn't get CL, and not something like being 12th at the end of March. Let's see how Villa get on in 26/27, the idea they coped with it is a myth, they had to loan loads of players to stop their league season being the same as ours is looking.

[Deuce]

1 minute ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

Quite frankly I don't care if you are interested, 

Shades of Deputy Dawg this  

[Groundhog63]

Wor lass has been getting on my tits all day today 

Think I'll disregard the 12 years of marital bliss and bin her off. Absolutely no chance she'll be back to normal tomorrow 😉

[huss9]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

That ref decision was correct, but Emery's lauders always cherry pick that as the reason Villa didn't get CL, and not something like being 12th at the end of March. Let's see how Villa get on in 26/27, the idea they coped with it is a myth, they had to loan loads of players to stop their league season being the same as ours is looking.

yes.

so thats how they coped.

no one stopped us doing the same.

[The Prophet]

Just now, Deuce said:

Shades of Deputy Dawg this  

 

"I'm not your mate"

 

Classic

[huss9]

Just now, Groundhog63 said:

Wor lass has been getting on my tits all day today 

Think I'll disregard the 12 years of marital bliss and bin her off. Absolutely no chance she'll be back to normal tomorrow 😉

then get yersel on hers.

gan to town on them.

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

From the same .com article:

 

’Thanks for trying Bobby, but it's defeated you, like all the rest. We've cheered you, we've supported you and now we just plain don't believe you anymore. And neither do the players. We got close, we've almost failed. Again.’

 

.com were (correctly) criticising the booing - they were not suggesting that Robson should stay on. 

 

It was clear as day that we were a team in decline and that Robson should have went that summer and it was no surprise that we started the following season poorly.

 

The big mistake Freddy Shepherd made was bringing in Souness because he thought he'd be the man to sort out the "Brat Pack" instead of getting in a proper manager.

[TheBrownBottle]

3 minutes ago, huss9 said:

people dont seem to have grasped this.

Yep.  It was only a ludicrous refereeing performance at OT which stopped them finishing ahead of us. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

9 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

If you need a manager who can do those 5 points you want, you're going to need someone with a CV that shows they can do all of that successfully.

 

He's literally asked for a CV  

[huss9]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

It was clear as day that we were a team in decline and that Robson should have went that summer and it was no surprise that we started the following season poorly.

 

The big mistake Freddy Shepherd made was bringing in Souness because he thought he'd be the man to sort out the "Brat Pack" instead of getting in a proper manager.

Freddy was indeed to blame.

He should have gotten shot of Shearer and given Bobby a decent wedge to spend.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

9 hours ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

I have already explained it to you in the post you quoted, but CV doesn’t equal guaranteed success in football. 
 

I’m suggesting we need a manager who fits the brief of:

 

1. Able to manage a European campaign alongside a successful league one.

2. Good at continuing a positive team culture and morale that Howe has built.

3. Able to manage replacing key players, potentially at short notice, due to our players being at risk of the Sly 6 demanding them.

4. A proven ability to prioritise competitions.

5. Able to develop youth players and bring a steady stream through into the first team or as sellable assets.

 

Those 5 points are much more important than ticking off a CV. Otherwise we’d end up with a Brendon Rogers or Ange.

 

Whether that manager is currently managing Real Madrid or out of work after failing in their previous job in the Bundesliga, it doesn’t matter. Their abilities and potential is more important than binary past success.

 

Arsenal plucked Arteta from being a coach. He’s not done too badly replacing Emery with a greater CV.

 

 

 

 

 Yeah, but he didnt meet any of those 5 points, did he.

Are we being had or what? Oakie?