Eddie Howe

[J7]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I'm not ignoring it, it's that I don't think they're completely different things at all.

 

 

 

There can’t be any reasoning with

you then. I think you’re just trying to win the internet.

[nufc123]

5 minutes ago, dcmk said:

PIF gets a tenth of the criticism that Howe gets.

 

It's not comparable.

Aye its flowing over with positiveness in the PIF thread..

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

And they got a tenth of the credit that Howe got when we won the League Cup (unless I missed the huge PIF flag hanging from another city centre hotel). You see how this works?

When has anyone below executive level been solely to blame for negatively impacting on the owners' ability to do their jobs?

 

If that had happened (like PIF's actions have negatively impacted those below them) then it would be fair enough. As far as I can tell it's never happened. 

[Jackie Broon]

20 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Eales illness pre-dated last summer's window by almost a year.

 

You need a CEO and DoF in place for the transfer window. By all accounts, no one below executive level knew Mitchell was leaving until he did. Both the CEO and DoF situations were a complete shitshow.

 

So, who should we replace PIF with then?

[TRon]

1 minute ago, dcmk said:

Like the time he bought us Isak and Bruno?

 

Or his numerous attempts to sign Ekitike, Sesko, Pedro, Cunha and Mbeumo.

 

That would have been a decent point if it were true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even those players were to fit his brand of football, which has been great in one off seasons, but unsustainable for regular CL campaigns. 

[Miggys First Goal]

Just now, Jackie Broon said:

 

So, who should we replace PIF with then?

[dcmk]

2 minutes ago, J7 said:

No, I wouldn’t. For a number of reasons. I think the players have stopped believing in him. I think he’s become stubborn with selections and tactics. I don’t think he’s particularly great in the transfer market. I think turning things around when you’ve been in charge and it’s being getting worse for a long period of time is different to going in somewhere new with new ideas. 
 

There are obviously no guarantees with a new manager, of course there aren’t. However the most likely scenario I can see at the moment if Howe stays is this just continues, he goes fairly early next season, a new manager is playing catch up, and we’re looking toward 27/28 to do anything again.

 

Was last summer transfer window a normal one?  we lost our best player.  And couldn't sign the first, second, third or fourth player that we wanted to replace him.

 

It's pretty unacceptable for a manager to be in that position.  Basically turns the next season into a transitional season and a slog. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

Just now, Miggys First Goal said:

 

At least some of the fans sould think he'd keep us on a sound financial footing, whatever they think that means

[Stifler]

His time is coming to an end.

He’s been here 4.5 years. Not many managers last that long, and even less last longer.

The longest serving manager in the league right now is having fans say he should be sacked if his team don’t win the league this season, something that they haven’t done for over 20 years.

He’s out of ideas, and he can’t get the players up.

He’s been backed, yes last summer was difficult, but every manager has to deal with one of their best players wanting out and some of their first choices not being available, or arriving at the club. It can’t be used as an excuse, fucking hell look at Bournemouth who lost all their big names last summer and are doing well, or Brentford who lost some of their best players last summer, one of us to us, as well as their manager, they were tipped for relegation and are now moving forward looking for Europe.

 

Am I grateful for him turning us from going down, tow being in the Champions a league and winning a cup? Yes, of course, but we can’t hold on to that forever as other teams leap above us.

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, J7 said:

There can’t be any reasoning with

you then. I think you’re just trying to win the internet.

Tbh I've got no idea what you even mean by completely different?

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

So, who should we replace PIF with then?

 

 

Don't expect an answer to that any time soon. Because everyone knows we'd end up with bloodsucking owners who would put us in hock then feed off the dividends. 

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

So, who should we replace PIF with then?

We shouldn't, the point is we shouldn't replace Howe.

[bhoywhonder]

3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

I suppose the only question is whether if he was given unlimited funds, could he produce regular CL football? Maybe. But we don't play football like the top sides do, and I'm not sure that's Howe's way of playing anyway. 

Is what were seeing recently the 'Howes way' of playing? because it's absolutely shit, ends in unwatchable defeats and Im ready to see another way.

[Minhosa]

2 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

That's the biggest issue I see. I used to be confident in us seeing out a result but that's gone now.

 

It's all well and good putting the blame on Howe, but the way he's set us up had us with a 1 nowt lead going into the 80th minute. It's up to the players to dig in and see it out, Howe isn't kicking the ball (or pulling the shirts) for them

No question from me that he’s been badly let down by so many individuals this season. Right up and down the pitch.

 

Pope - chucking goals in.

Ramsdale - not much better than Pope

 

Tonnes of individual errors across the back four. 
 

Ramsay - too long to settle. 
Joelinton - gone missing in too many games. 
Tonali - nowhere near the same player as last season imho. 
 

Gordon/Barnes - sometimes good, sometimes shit. 
 

Wissa - moves like a veteran footballer now. 
Elanga - utterly garbage. Massive let down for Howe given the fee. 
Murphy - Not looked like the same player of last couple of years, as limited as that guy was. This one is miles worse. 
 

On top of that, we’ve been hugely unlucky to lose Bruno for so long too. 
 

For me, there’s only really Hall, Bruno and Miley that can hold their heads high. 

[astraguy]

6 minutes ago, Cf said:

I do understand a lot of the criticism.

 

The PL especially has been poor this season. 

 

But he's still a top top manager. He hasn't become bad overnight.

 

We're having a poor season. It happens. 

 

It's not all on Howe either. The shit show of last summer, the increasingly clear fact he's having to pick from two seconds choice goal keepers, the fixture congestion, injuries (all teams suffer this to an extent but this for us also ties into the previous point), individual errors on the pitch at key times, the PL being as strong as it has ever been, and generally I still argue not having the rub of the green all that often. 

 

Call them excuses if you like. For me they're more reasons as to why this season has been so inconsistent. 

 

It's clear at this point the squad needs a bit of an overhaul. Howe has already turned a relegation fodder team into CL place contenders and cup winners. He's more than shown us his quality and imo we're lucky to have him and should be backing him. 

Bookmark this Fellas! outstanding post 

[dcmk]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

 

Even those players were to fit his brand of football, which has been great in one off seasons, but unsustainable for regular CL campaigns. 

How are they? They would walk into our team.  Improve almost every other team in the league.. creative, pacey, strength can all run with the ball.

 

Who are you suggesting we sign.. it sounds like you want the exact opposite type of player?  A Peter Crouch?  

[vexred]

@Stifler pretty sure the longest serving is Pep. 

[dcmk]

4 minutes ago, Stifler said:

His time is coming to an end.

He’s been here 4.5 years. Not many managers last that long, and even less last longer.

The longest serving manager in the league right now is having fans say he should be sacked if his team don’t win the league this season, something that they haven’t done for over 20 years.

He’s out of ideas, and he can’t get the players up.

He’s been backed, yes last summer was difficult, but every manager has to deal with one of their best players wanting out and some of their first choices not being available, or arriving at the club. It can’t be used as an excuse, fucking hell look at Bournemouth who lost all their big names last summer and are doing well, or Brentford who lost some of their best players last summer, one of us to us, as well as their manager, they were tipped for relegation and are now moving forward looking for Europe.

 

Am I grateful for him turning us from going down, tow being in the Champions a league and winning a cup? Yes, of course, but we can’t hold on to that forever as other teams leap above us.

Teams with structure and an organised back room staff?

 

Sounds nice, when can we have that?

[J7]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Tbh I've got no idea what you even mean by completely different?

I did explain before to be fair. The ownership aren’t going anywhere. Ownership is longer term in a manager in the vast majority of cases. They will be judged on overall direction and on few day to day, week to week decisions due to the nature of what they do. They’ve made mistakes and received a lot of criticism, but again, to what end? 
 

Criticising a manager is different. Their tenure is generally shorter and there are far more things to analyse. They will be judged on overall direction, but also many decisions over the course of a season, during a match, game my game, week by week. Changing a manager is also usually less upheaval, or it should be. 
 

I suspect you know all of this, but like I said you’re just desperately trying to deflect from Howe. You’re not doing a great job.

[dcmk]

8 minutes ago, nufc123 said:

Aye its flowing over with positiveness in the PIF thread..

How many times does that get bumped compared to the constant whinging within this one?

[J7]

7 minutes ago, dcmk said:

 

Was last summer transfer window a normal one?  we lost our best player.  And couldn't sign the first, second, third or fourth player that we wanted to replace him.

 

It's pretty unacceptable for a manager to be in that position.  Basically turns the next season into a transitional season and a slog. 

I’ve taken all of that into account. 

[Wallsendmag]

12 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

When has anyone below executive level been solely to blame for negatively impacting on the owners' ability to do their jobs?

 

If that had happened (like PIF's actions have negatively impacted those below them) then it would be fair enough. As far as I can tell it's never happened. 

 

Again you miss the point, as you have pretty much all day tbh.

 

To simplify things for you. If they aren't backing him with cash to improve HIS team, or they are buying up players that he doesn't want or interfering with the team (see Forests owner) they would have to take a big share of the blame for this awful season. However they have backed him with huge sums of money, given him a lot of power in the transfer market and don't get involved in on pitch affairs so I wouldn't be too harsh on them in this aspect.

 

However trying to shift blame onto them and off Howe for the awful signings he made in the summer, for the poor tactics this season, the 20 defeats, the terrible in game management, the constant 2nd half collapses, all the late goals conceded etc is just directing your discontent at the wrong place.

 

 

Edited April 12 by Wallsendmag

[Jackie Broon]

2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

We shouldn't, the point is we shouldn't replace Howe.

 

I don't want Howe's tenure to end this way, I love the man, I have massive respect for him as a person and for what he has done for us, I hate seeing him failing in this way. But he is failing.

 

Whether we like it or not, our CEO has made it implicitly pretty clear he needs to have a strong finish to the season to keep his job. I just can't see where that comes from now.

[Armchair Pundit]

I can't help thinking I've somehow been transported to a parallel universe sometimes, where fans have forgotten or just seem to ignore all the contributing factors to this season:

• We had massive ongoing, disruptive issues around the Director of Football position, involving Ashworth and Mitchell.
• We lost our number one striker during another massively disruptive, shit-show transfer window, along with our established backup striker.
• We didn't get any replacement strikers in until the end of said transfer window (one of whom didn't play for well into 2-3 months).
• We haven't strengthened for the long-term, either last summer or this winter, while letting a squad age to the point where we have multiple 33+ year old players being used as first choice.
• Haven't taken into account the affects of a much heavier game schedule on the aforementioned thin on quality, aging squad, some seemingly missing the ridiculously small amount of sustained training time between matches that we've had, which has also meant that any new players haven't been easily integrated to our setup.

I get that Eddie's substitutes have become predictable and sometimes (like today) poorly timed, and that he's tended to use limited tactics, for both of those I would like him to do better, but that's all - the rest of the issues, mentioned above, aren't down to him and only serve in making his job infinitely harder. Where we find ourselves is largely a product of overachieving and thinking we can do the same every season, to some it's become an expectation, but you can't spread yourselves that thin, without something giving, especially when there's been several important issues go against you in that same season. There's a lack of practicality and realism by some, I'm not saying Eddie is completely faultless, he isn't, but we still managed to get to the latter stages in several competitions this season, even with all those extra problems - the club need to back him, because losing a guy who's been one of the best managers I can remember would be a huge mistake imo.

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, dcmk said:

How are they? They would walk into our team.  Improve almost every other team in the league.. creative, pacey, strength can all run with the ball.

 

Who are you suggesting we sign.. it sounds like you want the exact opposite type of player?  A Peter Crouch?  

 

 

They are all good players, Pedro, Mbuemo and Ekitike especially. But it's not the forwards I have doubts about, it's our football in general. I think there's an element of kick and rush about it, we don't cultivate possession, and I think that's down to the way we set up.