Eddie Howe

[Heron]

1 minute ago, Mattoon said:

Its all getting a bit aggy which is ridiculous really, I know it can be frustrating when someone doesn't see the situation from the same angle as you do but ultimately we all just want what is best for NUFC we just don't agree with what that is.

 

Both sides have legitimate and well thought out reasons and evidence to support their stance and both are just as right or wrong as each other. No one could truly know what is for the best without the benefit of hindsight, whether Howe stays and succeeds or is spent or if he goes and we take off under another manager or continue to freefall, none of it is guaranteed.

 

No one is stupid, ignorant or ill informed because they don't agree with you.

No, they're all 3.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(That's a joke BTW)

[Wallsendmag]

7 hours ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

Woltemade and Wissa will never get it right, it won't matter how many games they play. We signed two duds to replace Isak. We tried for better but couldn't get any and were left trying to fill the gap with those two. It hasn't worked out.

 

Same with the keeper situation. Pope has gone to shit, we couldn't get our first choice keeper in so tried to make do with Ramsdale on loan for a season. That's not worked either.

 

I think it'll be easier to sign a better striker and keeper than it will be to replace Howe with a better manager

 

What happens if Howe signs another dud striker and another dud goalkeeper though?

 

Do you give him another chance next summer to try again?

[El Prontonise]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

What happens if Howe signs another dud striker and another dud goalkeeper though?

 

Do you give him another chance next summer to try again?

 

All managers sign duds at some point.

[McDog]

2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

What happens if Howe signs another dud striker and another dud goalkeeper though?

 

Do you give him another chance next summer to try again?

 

Eddie shouldn't be signing anyone this summer, the DOF does that and there is one in place now. He would obviously sign off or argue against whomever is targeted which is as it should be. He shouldn't have the final call but a good DOF and Manager relationship would mean they should be on roughly the same page.

 

 

[Holmesy]

3 minutes ago, Heron said:

I just don't think Howe is the man for widescale change - rightly or wrongly. For me when you look at the whole Longstaff and Tonali scenario as an example, he slightly tinkered with that and slowly fed Tonali in. He's done that with other players too and has had success in doing so. I think he's more likely to make slight adjustments to his generally successful formula than he is to go with something entirely different. That may be his ultimate downfall - we shall see, but I think his previous seasons are sufficient evidence as to why he may opt to continue taking that same approach.

 

Whether his fault or not, last summer has forced him to make a noticeable adjustment in my opinion and that hasn't been taken or taken well enough. So I am somewhat in agreement with you there. I just don't feel he's had ample opportunity to do that until recently. I personally feel we should have stuck with Woltemade up top too.

 

I don't know (as I don't stalk you ) but I kinda feel like Howe is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't at present amongst my own friendship group and online. Kinda feels like the same folk slating Howe for not using Woltemade are the same guys slating Woltemade for being shite. Speculative from my side, admittedly. It's just the feeling I have.

 

I actually include in a reaponse letter to Howe last year that I felt 3 5 2 in a similar vein to Inter would really suit Newcastle - so despite my support of Eddie I'm not that blinkered that I don't see some of the flaws to his ways. I just also see the evidence of his tenure prior to this season and choose to bank on the class overall rather than the form we're seeing.

 

Each to their own. The proof will be in the pudding as they say.

No, i'm not in the criticising Wolte camp at all - he's a young lad in a new country, with obvious ability, who has been signed for a lot of money. I don't think he deserves to have been dropped and I want to see him in the starting line-up, but i'm also of the opinion that Eddie should change the setup to suit him, rather than just expecting him to be Isak.

My main gripe system-wise is that I think when your whole approach is geared around one playbook, when it stops working, you have nowhere to go. And it does seem as though it has either been found out or he's trying to find someone in the squad who can make it work, rather than changing it (or having the ability to change it). He's obsessive by nature, which is to his credit but I also think it's more likely to lead to him doubling down on trying to make plan A work than accepting change might be better option. 

 

I genuinely hope it doesn't end badly for him but time will tell.

[Wallsendmag]

3 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

 

All managers sign duds at some point.

 

Not all managers spend £250m on duds in one summer though*

 

*Maybe not Thiaw he's done ok.

 

He spent £250m to take us from 5th to 14th and dropping rapidly. Not many managers survive that.

[Andy]

2 minutes ago, McDog said:

 

Eddie shouldn't be signing anyone this summer, the DOF does that and there is one in place now. 

 

Depends if it's a good signing or not, if the player's shite we need to leave some wiggle room to be able to retroactively blame Eddie for it IMO. 

[Mills and Boon]

8 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

What happens if Howe signs another dud striker and another dud goalkeeper though?

 

Do you give him another chance next summer to try again?

 

Na. Not every signing works out but we need to get these ones right. Most of his signings have been spot on so I still have faith

[Mikky]

7 minutes ago, McDog said:

 

Eddie shouldn't be signing anyone this summer, the DOF does that and there is one in place now. He would obviously sign off or argue against whomever is targeted which is as it should be. He shouldn't have the final call but a good DOF and Manager relationship would mean they should be on roughly the same page.

 

 

This - the club cuts it’s final choice to say 4 - based on scouting, analytical work, background checks - they meet with Eddie (over a period of time) - collectively decide that “player 2” is the one for this position and is attainable - then press ahead 

 

I’d also like to the think the DoF and his team are looking at players within our squad and assessing their relative merits 

 

Really all this should have been in place after the winter window and constantly reviewed 

[Mikky]

18 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

What happens if Howe signs another dud striker and another dud goalkeeper though?

 

Do you give him another chance next summer to try again?

Why don’t we lower our bar and have a limit to what we are prepared to pay until our revenues increase allowing us to go that little bit higher 

 

We aren’t is a financial position to write off 68m - 55m and 52m pound players 

 

Our whole recruitment model needs looking into because we miss out on a lot of talent at good prices - granted not all will work but at least the loss is relatively controlled 

[The Prophet]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

What happens if Howe signs another dud striker and another dud goalkeeper though?

 

Do you give him another chance next summer to try again?

 

We've got far more signing right than wrong, while he's been manager mind.

 

 

Edited April 26 by The Prophet

[Theregulars]

1 hour ago, Holmesy said:

You make it sound like i'm the only one complaining about Eddie's lack of proactivity  I think you'll find about 70% of our fanbase are complaining about it and have been for ages. 

Howe has spent £700m. We should be comfortably beating Leeds every time we play them. I'm not for a second suggesting Farke is a better manager, but he certainly displayed a greater awareness of where things weren't right and a willingness to make changes when needed - something I think all of us would love Eddie to do.

Yesterday was one game, and a game (similar to Leeds v Chelsea) that we probably should be losing - away to the title challengers. I haven't made a single mention of the Arsenal game for precisely that reason. But I'm happy to cite games against Brighton, Brentford, Sunderland, Bournemouth, Crystal Palace, and even Barcelona among others.

If we're really advocating not making changes because they don't get results, based on two instances, fair enough. So if Eddie leaves, we're looking for a flexible, winning manager who favours possession-based football, but good in-game management isn't important. Makes the hunt a little bit easier.

 

 

 

No, I’m literally just complaining that your argument is illogical. You say something is better when actually in effect and outcome it is no different. 
 

I said in a post that many of us agree there are things with Howe which aren’t working, and yes his seemingly pre-formulated ideas on substitutions leave questions. But to say that Farke had done the opposite and got a better outcome is anti-factual.

 

Here’s a question for you: would you rather have Farke, or Howe?

 

You have no idea what I think or advocate because you only have room for your own opinion. 

 

 

Edited April 26 by Theregulars

[Mikky]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

 

We've got far more signing right than wrong, while he's been managed mind.

Like I said yesterday the structure is broken - we’ve had basically 5 DoF in 4.5 years - literally no continuity - hence why in summer 2026 you have a squad that’s all over the place 

 

I will never (as much as I criticise him for tactics etc) blame EH for that - that’s all on the club and people above him 

[STM]

Managers dont sign players.

 

Clubs, sporting directors, managers, scouts and even players play a collective part in trying to work out if a player is the right fit. Anyone can portion blame on one individual but by the same token that same individual deserves the credit in the bank for the vast amount of transfer success that went previous.... unless of course what is being suggested is that bad signings = managers fault, good signing = praise elsewhere, if that's the case I can only assume some doesnt understand nuance or worse are arguing from a place of bad faith.

 

Again nuance has to be applied but 250m of our money, with all the absurd restrictions we have in front of us, is not the same as 250m of man united/Chelseas money, who can cherry pick the top players by offering them much higher wages and more immediate success off the back of it.

 

The club has been undoubtedly been plagued by a series of events, DoF's coming and going, star players going on strike and yes, the manager making a couple of bad judgement calls on players.

 

Its a complex set of circumstances and anyone solely blaming Howe is, IMO, being an ignorant tosspot.

 

Bare in mind how unequivocal our fans were on Dominic Calvert Lewin and the potential revulsion that he might replace Callum Wilson for peanuts last summer. We sign DCL, who I dont think is a great player, and we are in European footy places right now. 

 

We can all agree that regardless of which manager is in the dugout, all ducks need to be in a row this summer because no matter how much I want Eddie Howe to stay, he cant survive a bad window and a poor start next season.

[Wallsendmag]

26 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

We've got far more signing right than wrong, while he's been managed mind.

 

Not recently, and recently is most important in football given tne average lifespan of your typical PL manager 

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Not recently, and recently is most important in football given tne average lifespan of your typical PL manager 

 

...but most recently we had a manager standing in as acting Sporting Director, with two glorified scouts as his assistants. It's not the norm and won't be the case this summer.

 

"Recentky is the most important" is devoid of all context. When the structures have been there, signings have been largely good.

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, The Prophet said:

 

...but most recently we had a manager standing in as acting Sporting Director, with two glorified scouts as his assistants. It's not the norm and won't be the case this summer.

 

"Recentky is the most important" is devoid of all context. When the structures have been there, signings have been largely good.

 

Great. But that doesn't explain the tactics, the formations, the weak mentality amongst other issues that have totally blighted our season.

[The Prophet]

2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Great. But that doesn't explain the tactics, the formations, the weak mentality amongst other issues that have totally blighted our season.

 

I was responding to a comment about our signings.

[Bimpy474]

54 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Not all managers spend £250m on duds in one summer though*

 

*Maybe not Thiaw he's done ok.

 

He spent £250m to take us from 5th to 14th and dropping rapidly. Not many managers survive that.

 

May i point out, he took us to fifth by spending hardly anything in the previous 4 or so windows. 

 

The squad is stale, we need to add every window to keep it fresh, but we have to sell to make that happen. Something we still haven't done.

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

May i point out, he took us to fifth by spending hardly anything in the previous 4 or so windows. 

 

The squad is stale, we need to add every window to keep it fresh, but we have to sell to make that happen. Something we still haven't done.

 

Maybe the manager and his coaches are stale as well.

[Fak]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

Maybe the manager and his coaches are stale as well.

 

Maybe they aren't 

[McDog]

Could be the supporters that have gone stale I suppose. 

[Bimpy474]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Maybe the manager and his coaches are stale as well.

 

As Fak said, i disagree, i think he's taken certain players as far as he can, not the other way round.

[Wallsendmag]

3 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

Maybe they aren't 

 

They look like they are.

[Nine]

1 minute ago, McDog said:

Could be the supporters that have gone stale I suppose. 

Stale support is never far away