Eddie Howe

[sempuki]

19 minutes ago, black_n_white said:

Tino I think won’t leave now, he has hall and burn left back cover plus targett if he sticks around. Willock does not have to go, Murphy does not have to go, 1 forward does not have to go and Schar might stay another year yet.

 

I agree Gordon will be replaced as will Ramsdale. Probably can see another defender for Trippier and forward coming in but that’s it.

 

 

 

Would keep the handsome one.

[Mikky]

9 minutes ago, black_n_white said:

Why force them out when we have other pressing issues? Historically we've not been great at selling either. All this talk of a rebuild is fantasy stuff, it’ll be 5 maybe 6 in at most with 3 or 4 leaving

We have a DoF, Technical Director and a CEO in place - we went circa 5 windows without one - surely if there was a time to rebuild, it’s now 

 

I can’t have Elanga and Murphy as our 2 RWs next season 

[Mikky]

2 minutes ago, sempuki said:

Would keep the handsome one.

So we all agreed Targett stays?

[sempuki]

Just now, Mikky said:

So we all agreed Targett stays?

Was obviously referring to Gordon.

[nufcjmc]

24 minutes ago, black_n_white said:

Why force them out when we have other pressing issues? Historically we've not been great at selling either. All this talk of a rebuild is fantasy stuff, it’ll be 5 maybe 6 in at most with 3 or 4 leaving

The issue with murphy and willock are they have 12 months left or go for nowt we can't keep letting players go for nothing.

 

Willock is 25/26 I think and cost us a fair chunk you need to try and sell hes not good enough to extend.

 

Murphy is a little harder now 31 and only cost us 10/12m? Can't see him being worth much to another club due to the decline of this year. Sadly when Murphy is on it he's still our best assistor (is that a word?) On the wing. I dont think we have the budget to lose money on elanga so it's probably something we leave for 12 months Murphy goes and if elanga has another rotten season he's demoted to backup or book value lower then to sell at a loss?

[Holmesy]

2 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

The issue with murphy and willock are they have 12 months left or go for nowt we can't keep letting players go for nothing.

 

Willock is 25/26 I think and cost us a fair chunk you need to try and sell hes not good enough to extend.

 

Murphy is a little harder now 31 and only cost us 10/12m? Can't see him being worth much to another club due to the decline of this year. Sadly when Murphy is on it he's still our best assistor (is that a word?) On the wing. I dont think we have the budget to lose money on elanga so it's probably something we leave for 12 months Murphy goes and if elanga has another rotten season he's demoted to backup or book value lower then to sell at a loss?

They'd both be good pickups for newly promoted teams and would get plenty of game time. The biggest issue with them still being here is Eddie will be tempted to use them rather than moving on. Get rid while we can and bring in younger blood with a higher ceiling,

[stozo]

1 hour ago, Mikky said:

2- If Gordon and Tino leave 

1 - Trippier leaving 

1 - no left back cover 

1 - Ramsdale going 

1 - Willock HAS to go 

1 - J Murphy HAS to go 

1 - 1 forward HAS to go 

1 - Schar likely going 

 

Thats the mess we are in and the level of overhaul we need - it’s big 

You've got nine new arrivals there. It goes to five if Schar stays, Murphy and the other forward stay, and then we don't recruit a backup left back. I think that's much more likely where we end up. 

[Menace]

We don't need 9 new signings with no europe like

[nufcjmc]

23 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

They'd both be good pickups for newly promoted teams and would get plenty of game time. The biggest issue with them still being here is Eddie will be tempted to use them rather than moving on. Get rid while we can and bring in younger blood with a higher ceiling,

It's that awful issue we have had with a few now low fees cost more to replace than they bring in. 

 

Let's say your right and someone would be interested in either both with 12 months left how much will you get? 10m for murphy? 12/15m for willock? It's going to cost more to get a rough diamond from abroad for either of them with no promise they will ever step up.

 

Not debating to disagree with you BTW just trying to see both sides I would be happy for both to go. 

[Conjo]

1 hour ago, Mikky said:

2- If Gordon and Tino leave 

1 - Trippier leaving 

1 - no left back cover 

1 - Ramsdale going 

1 - Willock HAS to go 

1 - J Murphy HAS to go 

1 - 1 forward HAS to go 

1 - Schar likely going 

 

Thats the mess we are in and the level of overhaul we need - it’s big 

 

Neither Willock, Murphy nor one of our strikers HAS to go, even if you'd like them to.

Schar might extend for another season.

Gordon or Tino might stay, maybe even both.

We have far less games next season so don't need as big squad as this season.

 

I think you're overreacting to how many players we "need" and definitely overreact to how many players actually will be replaced.

 

 

Edited May 6 by Conjo

[DC Magpie]

6 hours ago, alexf said:

I do think that once we move to a new a stadium I will lose a part of my connection to the club in some way. 

 

Just from that nostalgic, historical part. I don't live locally so when ever I do get to come up to the game I still get that child like butterflies when I step into the ground. All the memories that have been built up. 

 

I fear once we move it will be one step further into being a more soulless club like so many others are now. Especially as new generations of fans start to replace the current who will continue to be priced out and more tourist half-scarf wearers become the norm instead. 

 

I know it's necessary for financial growth, but I think a part of me will be lost when we finally move and it won't feel the same anymore. 

having never been myself is SJP completely landlocked to the point they couldn’t expand and enlarge/upgrade it? Does it need to be a new location?

 

if we can expand it, we’d probably have to shut it down for at least part of a season though. Maybe we could play our home games at the Mackems’s stadium that year?

 

that was a joke. Please don’t ban me. 

[TRon]

1 hour ago, sempuki said:

Would keep the handsome one.

 

 

That would just show we've learned nothing. 

[nufcjmc]

7 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

Neither Willock, Murphy nor one of our strikers HAS to go, even if you'd like them to.

Schar might extend for another season.

Gordon or Tino might stay, maybe even both.

We have far less games next season so don't need as big squad as this season.

 

I think you're overreacting to how many players we "need" and definitely overreact to how many players actually will be replaced.

 

 

 

I get where your going but player sales are required to invest in the squad this summer so players will go.

 

Also lascelles, targett and trips are definitely gone. I hope no one activates that loan to permanent for ramsdale

 

Krafth, schar, Ruddy, Gillespie all out of contract 

 

Murphy, willock, BDB and Pope on final 12 months.

 

No Europe may mean we can kick the can down the road with less  changes due to needing a smaller squad with less games. 

 

We also need to think players another year older and is our main issue stem from too many games only if not then we do definitely need fresh players. 

 

So retaining many as we can and limiting to 1 big sale still means we need 1 keeper, LWB cover, RWB cover and replace who we sell as a minimum I dont think we do keep all of schar/krafth or willock so they also need replacing as mentioned before that may be in cheaper young players rather than immediate 1st team additions. 

[The Prophet]

Said it before, but I'd be happy with three to four plus replacing any who leave.

[El Prontonise]

We won't get 7/8 in especially if we are hopeless at selling the likes of willock who should've been moved on last summer.

[nufcjmc]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

Said it before, but I'd be happy with three to four plus replacing any who leave.

2 player sales 1 big player like tonali or gordon and 1 of Murphy or willock who are running out of contract and we still close to 5/6 or 7 coming through the door. 

 

How many are immediately ready to be 1st teamers ready to start may be the biggest difference rather than number of players signed this summer.

 

Cheaper "gambles" who may not immediately replace whoever has the 1st 11 slot may be more common this summer. 

[The Prophet]

5 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

2 player sales 1 big player like tonali or gordon and 1 of Murphy or willock who are running out of contract and we still close to 5/6 or 7 coming through the door. 

 

How many are immediately ready to be 1st teamers ready to start may be the biggest difference rather than number of players signed this summer.

 

Cheaper "gambles" who may not immediately replace whoever has the 1st 11 slot may be more common this summer. 

 

In the likely event we don't qualify for Europe. We're probably looking at a keeper, a couple of defenders.

 

Then we may look to replace the likes of Tino, Tonali, Gordon or Wissa should they leave.

 

Guesswork of course, but think it'll be five or six in.

[Holmesy]

34 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

It's that awful issue we have had with a few now low fees cost more to replace than they bring in. 

 

Let's say your right and someone would be interested in either both with 12 months left how much will you get? 10m for murphy? 12/15m for willock? It's going to cost more to get a rough diamond from abroad for either of them with no promise they will ever step up.

 

Not debating to disagree with you BTW just trying to see both sides I would be happy for both to go. 

I completely agree but it's either get some money for them now and gamble or get nowt later on. We could use Osula as Elanga competition and possibly the young Korean lad. Then we spend the £25m from selling both on a new youngster. I've no doubt Eddie will want to keep them because he trusts them but that decision should be taken out of his hands IMO.

[nufcjmc]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

In the likely event we don't qualify for Europe. We're probably looking at a keeper, a couple of defenders.

 

Then we may look to replace the likes of Tino, Tonali, Gordon or Wissa should they leave.

 

Guesswork of course, but think it'll be five or six in.

I made a point somewhere if the club are happy with 99% of the squad and this seasons  was just a mixture of too many games and bad luck then your possibly right. Those seasons of no first team signings to me were nearly as harmful as the ineffective signings of the summer the squad look stale. 

 

But ultimate we ain't ever going to "fix" things in 1 window the likely compromise we keep those who have been poor this season and hope/pray they improve.

[Wallsendmag]

I said it on here the other day but just to repeat myself, those expecting 5 or 6 new arrivals in the summer are going to be massively disappointed.

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

I said it on here the other day but just to repeat myself, those expecting 5 or 6 new arrivals in the summer are going to be massively disappointed.

I don’t see how we can’t bring in at least 5. That’s assuming we lose Gordon and another big name. I’d argue we need 3 new attackers, that’s before getting into what else we need.

[nufcjmc]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

I said it on here the other day but just to repeat myself, those expecting 5 or 6 new arrivals in the summer are going to be massively disappointed.

I can see 6 signings easily ready to help the 1st 11 immediately or all immediate upgrades to the starting 11 much much less likely if we adopting a young and hungry player profile. 

[cubaricho]

1 hour ago, black_n_white said:

All this talk of a rebuild is fantasy stuff, it’ll be 5 maybe 6 in at most with 3 or 4 leaving

Totally agree with this. A lot of people are going to be very very disappointed by their own expectations come the end of the summer. 
 

We’re not going to get some massive squad overhaul. And it won’t be Eddie’s fault even though a lot will blame him I’m sure. 

 

 

Edited May 6 by cubaricho

[nufcjmc]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

I don’t see how we can’t bring in at least 5. That’s assuming we lose Gordon and another big name. I’d argue we need 3 new attackers, that’s before getting into what else we need.

Maybe get creative wissa becomes the gordon replacement on the wing allowing the gordon fee to go on a new out and out striker? We may not be able to shift all of our "problem" players anyway. 

[Keegans Export]

11 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

Totally agree with this. A lot of people are going to be very very disappointed by their own expectations come the end of the summer. 
 

We’re not going to get some massive squad overhaul. And it won’t be Eddie’s fault even though a lot will blame him I’m sure. 

 

He's clearly of the opinion that he doesn't want an overhaul - six new players was "too many" in his own words. What do you mean by it not being his fault?