LFEE Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) 12 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: I was responding to: “The sensible amongst us probably balance out what benefit is to be gained from getting “difficult” questions asked/answered and the knowledge gained as opposed to where that leads a further line of questioning and the problems it can create.” You said ‘the sensible amongst us’. I’d dispute that. The bit you are really disputing is if someone is sensible or not then And my question goes unanswered. What is the gain and what could be lost in the scenario. Edited May 10 by LFEE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, LFEE said: The bit you are really disputing is if someone is sensible or not then And my question goes unanswered. What is the gain and what could be lost in the scenario. More the notion that asking difficult questions leading to problems for an interviewee shouldn’t be the concern of a journalist in something as trivial as football What is the gain? Knowledge, insight, explanation, justification - could be anything. What could be lost? Control of the narrative if you’re the manager. From a fan perspective - not much. I don’t see why anyone who supports the club would have any issue with a manager taking accountability / justifying their actions. You’d think they would have justification for any decision, even if others may think a better result or consequence might have arise if another decision had been made. The manager is the one who ultimately spends most of what the paying punters put through the turnstiles or spend on overpriced clobber with the club crest on it - I don’t see why they should be wrapped in protective blankets when a local journalist asks them about why they’ve dropped a particular player or their reason for signing one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: More the notion that asking difficult questions leading to problems for an interviewee shouldn’t be the concern of a journalist in something as trivial as football What is the gain? Knowledge, insight, explanation, justification - could be anything. What could be lost? Control of the narrative if you’re the manager. From a fan perspective - not much. I don’t see why anyone who supports the club would have any issue with a manager taking accountability / justifying their actions. You’d think they would have justification for any decision, even if others may think a better result or consequence might have arise if another decision had been made. The manager is the one who ultimately spends most of what the paying punters put through the turnstiles or spend on overpriced clobber with the club crest on it - I don’t see why they should be wrapped in protective blankets when a local journalist asks them about why they’ve dropped a particular player or their reason for signing one. Very naive. Journalists there to create division and stories. Just look at what went on in the recent Southampton press conference. You’ve everything to lose from a fans perspective as it then feeds into the game build up and reaction at the ground which it has which the leads into the results. I’d quite happily not have press conferences TBH. Don’t need to know how/why the manager is handling personal relationships and made public knowledge personally. Yes you can get answers to simple questions like you suggest but that wasn’t the angle the journalist went for. It was questioning the manager’s integrity and I dare say the players also which only the player should be asked. He’s not been picking him because he was injured. End of story. Never understand wanting Landry whether clean or dirty washed in public. Rarely benefits the club and team. Why do you think Fergie ruled the PC’s with such an iron fist and look at the benefits they reaped overall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 15 minutes ago, LFEE said: Very naive. Journalists there to create division and stories. Just look at what went on in the recent Southampton press conference. You’ve everything to lose from a fans perspective as it then feeds into the game build up and reaction at the ground which it has which the leads into the results. I’d quite happily not have press conferences TBH. Don’t need to know how/why the manager is handling personal relationships and made public knowledge personally. Yes you can get answers to simple questions like you suggest but that wasn’t the angle the journalist went for. It was questioning the manager’s integrity and I dare say the players also which only the player should be asked. He’s not been picking him because he was injured. End of story. Never understand wanting Landry whether clean or dirty washed in public. Rarely benefits the club and team. Why do you think Fergie ruled the PC’s with such an iron fist and look at the benefits they reaped overall. You are reading far too much into it IMO. I'm sure there are journalists who look for the controversial angle, but sometimes they are just asking a genuine question which the fans want to know the answers as well. I'm sure Scurr could have worded it better, but he doesn't strike me as a deliberate cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 21 minutes ago, LFEE said: Very naive. Journalists there to create division and stories. Just look at what went on in the recent Southampton press conference. You’ve everything to lose from a fans perspective as it then feeds into the game build up and reaction at the ground which it has which the leads into the results. I’d quite happily not have press conferences TBH. Don’t need to know how/why the manager is handling personal relationships and made public knowledge personally. Yes you can get answers to simple questions like you suggest but that wasn’t the angle the journalist went for. It was questioning the manager’s integrity and I dare say the players also which only the player should be asked. He’s not been picking him because he was injured. End of story. Never understand wanting Landry whether clean or dirty washed in public. Rarely benefits the club and team. Why do you think Fergie ruled the PC’s with such an iron fist and look at the benefits they reaped overall. No, I am aware that some journalists have an agenda. I’m perfectly happy with the manager being held to account on some level. Ferguson went on like that because he was a bullying cunt. If you the implication is that Man Utd won trophies because of that, I’m unconvinced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 3 minutes ago, TRon said: You are reading far too much into it IMO. I'm sure there are journalists who look for the controversial angle, but sometimes they are just asking a genuine question which the fans want to know the answers as well. I'm sure Scurr could have worded it better, but he doesn't strike me as a deliberate cunt. I genuinely don’t need any answers from my manager from the press TBH Injury updates and why a certain player was bought and plans how to play them is enough. Everything else I don’t need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: No, I am aware that some journalists have an agenda. I’m perfectly happy with the manager being held to account on some level. Ferguson went on like that because he was a bullying cunt. If you the implication is that Man Utd won trophies because of that, I’m unconvinced. Of course they did. Man UTD has ALWAYS been a media circus but the fact it appeared relatively calm during Fergie’s time there is testament how much he reigned things in and controlled leaks and narratives. Look at how they are now. Edited May 10 by LFEE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 8 minutes ago, LFEE said: Of course they did. Man UTD has ALWAYS been a media circus but the fact it appeared relatively calm during Fergie’s time there is testament how much he reigned things in and controlled leaks and narratives. Look at how they are now. Ferguson shut down the press after he’d won a boatload of trophies. He was in a position to do that because of what he’d won and his job was safe as houses as a consequence. He didn’t shut down the press in the 90s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 11 minutes ago, LFEE said: I genuinely don’t need any answers from my manager from the press TBH Injury updates and why a certain player was bought and plans how to play them is enough. Everything else I don’t need. I don't need answers either tbh, I don't even watch the press conferences for the most part these days. But there are plenty that do, and that's the audience the journalists are aiming for. I think there is genuine interest in the Gordon stories so obviously there will be questions put because fans do want to know what's going on. Howe doesn't have to answer them either, that's up to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: Ferguson shut down the press after he’d won a boatload of trophies. He was in a position to do that because of what he’d won and his job was safe as houses as a consequence. He didn’t shut down the press in the 90s. Agree to disagree. At least on “a boatload”. Maybe took him a few years like most managers to establish a power base at the club but it’s always a priority of his as it was in Scotland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 37 minutes ago, LFEE said: Agree to disagree. At least on “a boatload”. Maybe took him a few years like most managers to establish a power base at the club but it’s always a priority of his as it was in Scotland. Happy to agree to disagree - just to add I agree re this, I think a lot of it has to do with level of control he wanted to exert at a club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Looks like he's trying something a bit different today which is nice to see. So long as the players put the graft in, even if we get beat, it's good he's seeing what else we can get out of the current squad mix other than the 4-3-3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Wish he'd play 3-4-3/3-4-1-2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 24 minutes ago, Pilko said: Looks like he's trying something a bit different today which is nice to see. So long as the players put the graft in, even if we get beat, it's good he's seeing what else we can get out of the current squad mix other than the 4-3-3. This aged well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilovetoon8788 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 48 minutes ago, Pilko said: Looks like he's trying something a bit different today which is nice to see. So long as the players put the graft in, even if we get beat, it's good he's seeing what else we can get out of the current squad mix other than the 4-3-3. Lol. This certainly aged well. He never deviates from his 433. But so far we are doing very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Predictable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 We are so boring to watch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Much better for most of the second half, but he wouldn't know what a clean sheet was if one bit him on the nose and for the umpteenth time that's our undoing. Utterly shite defending which he'll no doubt sing the song about it being unlike us, reviewing and learning from before we see it once again next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Subs hard coded in again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Happy enough he's staying, but I must admit I'm not really sure anymore if it's the right decision. Massive, massive summer for him. Get it wrong again and we're in a relegation battle imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 35 minutes ago, La Parka said: Predictable Very Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 In-game management is terrible. Predictable timing of subs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 More time on the training ground, still weak as fucking piss mentally and for the majority of the game look like creating nothing at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, La Parka said: Subs hard coded in again. Didn't know he ran on COBOL, antiquated and hardcoded gubbins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 25 points dropped I just don’t know where to go - ultimately the buck stops with him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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