Eddie Howe

[Wallsendmag]

6 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Was in defence of a goal. Too many of you really look into football as some kind of exact science. As if days and days on the training field makes a difference to a full back that had just been clattered reaching the ball.

 

The reaction in some quarters is mental but the blame game is society today more than ever rather than take a reasoned approach.

 

I think it’s clear there is a lot of people on here just need a break from NUFC 

 

I think I’m the only one excited about the changes ahead. If you’d aren’t getting any joy out of it then just have a break.

 

PS Fixtures are released in just over a month 

 

What have you heard like?

[joeyt]

11 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Was in defence of a goal. Too many of you really look into football as some kind of exact science. As if days and days on the training field makes a difference to a full back that had just been clattered reaching the ball.

 

The reaction in some quarters is mental but the blame game is society today more than ever rather than take a reasoned approach.

 

I think it’s clear there is a lot of people on here just need a break from NUFC 

 

I think I’m the only one excited about the changes ahead. If you’d aren’t getting any joy out of it then just have a break.

 

PS Fixtures are released in just over a month 

 

He could have taken off the player who had just been clattered?

[bobbydazzla]

20 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Was in defence of a goal. Too many of you really look into football as some kind of exact science. As if days and days on the training field makes a difference to a full back that had just been clattered reaching the ball.

 

The reaction in some quarters is mental but the blame game is society today more than ever rather than take a reasoned approach.

 

I think it’s clear there is a lot of people on here just need a break from NUFC 

 

I think I’m the only one excited about the changes ahead. If you’d aren’t getting any joy out of it then just have a break.

 

PS Fixtures are released in just over a month 

 

I think the "blame game" is absolutely justified when we've been seeing the same mistakes game after game after game for the entire season.

The faces on the pitch change but the problems and frustrations don't. 

 

At some point it stops being about individual players or one-off errors and starts being about the culture, coaching, tactics and standards of the side.

And we're a long way past that point now, in my opinion. 

 

For most of the season I've tried to be positive, or neutral about Howe and encouraged others to do the same. But after the last couple of months I've stopped, because it's gone beyond being defendable. He's had the ideal chance to change it and fuck all has changed.

 

It's a predictable fucking shambles on repeat most weeks and that's down to Howe and his coaches.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 11 by bobbydazzla

[Ginola14]

I've accepted this is very much a transitional season after the Isak shit show completely derailed the team 

 

Elanga, Wolte, Wissa, and Ramsey have a lot to prove if they're still around next season 

 

Howe deserves another season 

 

Arteta likely to win the league and potentially CL this season goes to show the value of patience and stability 

 

 

[Mike]

2 minutes ago, Ginola14 said:

Elanga, Wolte, Wissa, and Ramsey have a lot to prove if they're still around next season 

 

Is Ramsey being in this sentence not harsh?

[Ginola14]

Just now, Mike said:

 

Is Ramsey being in this sentence not harsh?

yes he hasn't been bad at all, just think he also has a lot more to offer 

[bobbydazzla]

6 minutes ago, Ginola14 said:

I've accepted this is very much a transitional season after the Isak shit show completely derailed the team 

 

Elanga, Wolte, Wissa, and Ramsey have a lot to prove if they're still around next season 

 

Howe deserves another season 

 

Arteta likely to win the league and potentially CL this season goes to show the value of patience and stability 

 

 

 

There's many examples of teams that have stuck with managers whose performance has dropped and then had to bullet them because they never got back to previous levels of performance, but very few examples of managers achieving an Arteta-esque phoenix from the flames.

 

 

 

Edited May 11 by bobbydazzla

[joeyt]

29 minutes ago, LFEE said:

As if days and days on the training field makes a difference to a full back that had just been clattered reaching the ball.

 

This is a strawman. You asked what more we could do on a training pitch and people have given examples for how we could change things but ultimately that's down to the coaching staff

 

It felt like we had slightly turned a corner last week when we proactively went to a back 5 against Brighton to shore up our lead. It very nearly didn't work but it did and we got the 3 points.  The Brighton game is an anomaly though.

 

Conceding late goals has and is continuing to happen every game. 

 

A depleted Forest team who have played 4 games in 10 days should not have more energy and better fitness than us to look like they were going to win the game if the match continued for an extra 5 minutes. 

 

 

Edited May 11 by joeyt

[TheBrownBottle]

6 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

There's many examples of teams that have stuck with managers whose performance has dropped and then had to bullet them because they never got back to previous levels of performance, but very few examples of managers achieving an Arteta-esque phoenix from the flames.

 

 

 

 

Also, unless I missed a season I don’t remember Arsenal ever looking close to this shite under Arteta

[El Prontonise]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Also, unless I missed a season I don’t remember Arsenal ever looking close to this shite under Arteta

 

They weren't this shite but they were very inconsistent etc in his first 18 months.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, El Prontonise said:

 

They weren't this shite but they were very inconsistent etc in his first 18 months.

Yep, that’s true.  They never started moving backwards at a rate of knots though.  I’m struggling to think of any examples of a manager recovering from a nose-dive like this.  My suspicion is that a combination of PSR and ownership incompetence are the only things keeping the manager in his role at this point. 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Arsenal have never dropped a league position year on year under Lego head.

[ffs]

I now think that ironically enough Howe would be absolutely brilliantly suited to a club where he had no input on transfers at all. Like, I think if he went to Brighton, was given a bunch of talented technical players from all over the place, he would quite possibly thrive improving them and putting them together. He might be a better manager if he was nowhere near the buying and selling - which I'm sure he thinks he'd hate, and would maybe be a deal-breaker for him. But I do still think it.

[The Prophet]

They've also had the luxury of being able to drop a substantial amount of cash more or less every summer.

[Begbie]

7 minutes ago, Ginola14 said:

Arteta likely to win the league and potentially CL this season goes to show the value of patience and stability 

I dont understand how you can use the Arteta case which is not simular to the Howe case. He took over the team from Emry when they were on 10th place, he finnished 8th that season. The next season they finnished 8th again(61 points), this was a rebuild season. Next season 5th missing out on CL, then 3 times 2nd, and now they are currently first. Thats what progress looks like, getting better each season. 

 

We are on our 4th rebuilding season and are getting worse, declining. Next season we need to rebuild most of the squad again. The summer signings must be one of the worst transfer windows in our history? We now need to change out most of them because they are not good enough or suit our style of play, we also have alot of players ageing which need replacing. Maybe if you turned around Howes time as Newcastle manager, maybe then you could compare them..

[TK-421]

6 minutes ago, Begbie said:

I dont understand how you can use the Arteta case which is not simular to the Howe case. He took over the team from Emry when they were on 10th place, he finnished 8th that season. The next season they finnished 8th again(61 points), this was a rebuild season. Next season 5th missing out on CL, then 3 times 2nd, and now they are currently first. Thats what progress looks like, getting better each season. 

 

We are on our 4th rebuilding season and are getting worse, declining. Next season we need to rebuild most of the squad again. The summer signings must be one of the worst transfer windows in our history? We now need to change out most of them because they are not good enough or suit our style of play, we also have alot of players ageing which need replacing. Maybe if you turned around Howes time as Newcastle manager, maybe then you could compare them..

No, this is a....

[Collage]

8 minutes ago, Begbie said:

I dont understand how you can use the Arteta case which is not simular to the Howe case. He took over the team from Emry when they were on 10th place, he finnished 8th that season. The next season they finnished 8th again(61 points), this was a rebuild season. Next season 5th missing out on CL, then 3 times 2nd, and now they are currently first. Thats what progress looks like, getting better each season. 

 

We are on our 4th rebuilding season and are getting worse, declining. Next season we need to rebuild most of the squad again. The summer signings must be one of the worst transfer windows in our history? We now need to change out most of them because they are not good enough or suit our style of play, we also have alot of players ageing which need replacing. Maybe if you turned around Howes time as Newcastle manager, maybe then you could compare them..

It's more similar if you ignore this season though, and this season is much about last summer's transfers, and there are divided opinions on how much blame for that summer window is to be laid on Howe.

[Holmesy]

The whole transitional season is a myth. Transitioning to what? A team that did have Isak to a team that doesn't but still plays the same football? That's not transition, that's adaptation.
People are just using 'transitional season' as justification for us being wank. 

[Jesse Pinkman]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

Was in defence of a goal. Too many of you really look into football as some kind of exact science. As if days and days on the training field makes a difference to a full back that had just been clattered reaching the ball.

 

The reaction in some quarters is mental but the blame game is society today more than ever rather than take a reasoned approach.

 

I think it’s clear there is a lot of people on here just need a break from NUFC 

 

I think I’m the only one excited about the changes ahead. If you’d aren’t getting any joy out of it then just have a break.

 

PS Fixtures are released in just over a month 

I can kinda understand your point if it was a one off howler, but this has been an issue all season and we now have the most goals conceded from winning position by some distance. 
 

Surely it’s fair to question whether it’s a systematic issue rather than a series of completely unrelated howlers that have occurred continually over the course of the season which Howe could do nothing about. 
 

One point you are missing that ultimately Howe is paid a lot of money to take responsibility for the performance of the team. Ultimately the buck stops with him. 

[Begbie]

1 minute ago, Collage said:

It's more similar if you ignore this season though, and this season is much about last summer's transfers, and there are divided opinions on how much blame for that summer window is to be laid on Howe.

If you ignore the details everything is simular. Do you think our team is better now than we where in 22/23? Or 23/24? Or 25/26? Imho no, not as a team. Artetas team do you think they are better now than previous years? Big yes. 

 

Cmon..Howe has the final saying so he gets the praise and blame - when he signed Isak, Gordon etc he was a mastermind, and this summer he had nothing to do about it. If Howe said no to Elanga do you think we would have signed him? Lets just be honest about it, everyone makes mistakes now and then, and some mistakes you loose your job like kissing a coworker on a cold play concert.

 

Btw: this discussion is not about Howe in or out, its about comparing him to Artetas case at Arsenal.

[Mills and Boon]

I thought the point about Arteta was more about the club having patience with him when the fans wanted him out and then being rewarded. Some Arsenal fans wanted him gone early doors and he's proven them wrong

[Holmesy]

2 hours ago, Mills and Boon said:

I thought the point about Arteta was more about the club having patience with him when the fans wanted him out and then being rewarded. Some Arsenal fans wanted him gone early doors and he's proven them wrong

A good number of Arsenal fans still want him out despite what they're on the cusp of achieving because the football they play is AIDS

 

 

Edited May 11 by Holmesy

[Pixelphish]

2 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

A good number of Arsenal fans still want him out despite what they're on the cusp of achieving because the football they play is absolute AIDS

Intensely unlikeable as well. 

[Zero]

I can accept a transitional season if the time was effectively used for rebuilding and recreating a new formation / tactics.

 

But honestly ask yourself, did Howe really make good use of this season by implementing new formation / tactics or training up new players / youngsters? Did the new players fitting in well?
 

We all know the answer. Howe just kept on doing the same thing again and again and again. This is, honestly speaking, fucking waste of time.
 

Osula is the only discovery, but it’s even more bizarre - if he’s the answer why don’t we just started him last August and stop paying the extraordinary fee for Wissa?

 

You can’t defend Howe by simply saying “transitional season, let it go”. There are a lot of things you should do during a transitional season. 

[Milburn]

I haven’t felt this down about the club since the Ashley / Steve Bruce days.

 

I’ve lost faith in Eddie Howe. The bizarre team selections, the rigid tactics, the constant leads thrown away… it just feels like the same problems repeating over and over with no real sign of change. Personally, I’d be surprised if he’s still here by Christmas.

 

Regardless of all that, have to back the team and the manager while he’s here.