Eddie Howe

[GEFAFWISP]

6 minutes ago, Nedders said:

Some kindly demonstrating my point! It’s weird how invested some seem to be in a guy who has contributed to an awful season, who has been instrumental in building a fairly uninspiring squad, and who honestly seems to be just a bit beige.

 

Surely it’s enjoyment of Newcastle and our football ahead of everything  else? The season has been absolutely turgid and it’s hard to see how its not mostly on the manager, no?

He managed us before this season.

[Minhosa]

5 minutes ago, Nedders said:

Some kindly demonstrating my point! It’s weird how invested some seem to be in a guy who has contributed to an awful season, who has been instrumental in building a fairly uninspiring squad, and who honestly seems to be just a bit beige.

 

Surely it’s enjoyment of Newcastle and our football ahead of everything  else? The season has been absolutely turgid and it’s hard to see how it’s not mostly on the manager, no?

. What did you think of the 3 seasons before this one and who was that ‘mostly on’?

 

THAT is the point man. This isn’t blind faith. This is HOPE based on previous evidence. It’s really not that hard. 

[St1pe]

Why are people still debating Howe? It’s done. We’ve all given our opinion one way or another 20 times or so over the last few months. The club have decided to stick with him into next season and it’s really hard to justify him not being given another shot. Losing to Fulham seems to have set the Howe out lot off like it’s actually going to make a difference to a decision already made. 
 

The important thing to debate is summer recruitment, how efficient this lot can be and what heap off shit in that squad needs moving on first. 
 

I guarantee Howe won’t be here by Christmas after another window if we start the season how we’ve performed during this one. 

[Nedders]

1 minute ago, Minhosa said:

. What did you think of the 3 seasons before this one and who was that ‘mostly on’?

 

THAT is the point man. This isn’t blind faith. This is HOPE based on previous evidence. It’s really not that hard. 

When we finished 7th and failed to qualify for Europe, that was his free pass. That he demonstrated a second time an inability to manage a heavier calendar that was it for me. I was more or less done when he picked the strongest XI for the second leg against CarrierBag, given the way the season was going, and after that it’s just been downhill.

 

However as has been pointed out there’s little point going over it, the club are sticking with him so we’ve all got to accept that.

[Drewboy74]

9 minutes ago, Nedders said:

Some kindly demonstrating my point! It’s weird how invested some seem to be in a guy who has contributed to an awful season, who has been instrumental in building a fairly uninspiring squad, and who honestly seems to be just a bit beige.

 

Surely it’s enjoyment of Newcastle and our football ahead of everything  else? The season has been absolutely turgid and it’s hard to see how its not mostly on the manager, no?

The season has been absolutely turgid and it’s hard to see how its not mostly on the manager, no?

 

[bobbydazzla]

11 hours ago, Dokko said:

Seen his presser. Just the usual shit. If this was any other manager he'd be hung by now. 

 

Go into next season with him and we've lost the entire thing. He's got nothing left. Ian beale might as well be up there.

Ian Beale has had his wriggler in Cindy.

 

What I would give to be in that man’s shoes.

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, Nedders said:

When we finished 7th and failed to qualify for Europe, that was his free pass. That he demonstrated a second time an inability to manage a heavier calendar that was it for me. I was more or less done when he picked the strongest XI for the second leg against CarrierBag, given the way the season was going, and after that it’s just been downhill.

 

However as has been pointed out there’s little point going over it, the club are sticking with him so we’ve all got to accept that.

Quick question, what happened in between the season we finished 7th and this season?

[Nedders]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Quick question, what happened in between the season we finished 7th and this season?

We peaked.

[Geordie Magpie]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Quick question, what happened in between the season we finished 7th and this season?

How long does the credit in the bank of winning a cup last? Couple months of next season? All of next season? 5 years? We dropped off a cliff this season .... That Cup Win should of been the start to kicking on but some people are like well we've won a cup doesn't matter now whatever happens

[Minhosa]

4 minutes ago, Nedders said:

When we finished 7th and failed to qualify for Europe, that was his free pass. That he demonstrated a second time an inability to manage a heavier calendar that was it for me. I was more or less done when he picked the strongest XI for the second leg against CarrierBag, given the way the season was going, and after that it’s just been downhill.

 

However as has been pointed out there’s little point going over it, the club are sticking with him so we’ve all got to accept that.

A ‘free pass’ which was then vindicated by his actual performance?

 

I think it’s very fair to have concerns about his ability to manage a heavier calendar. I also think it’s fair for people to want a change. I’m not sure there’s a right or wrong in that debate. What’s not fair is personal shit like calling him ‘beige’ or intentionally overlooking his overall record here or viewing him without the wider context of his time here rather than just off the back of one shite season. 
 

We’re all disappointed mate. You may well be proven right that he should go this summer. We’ll only know that in six months. Even then though, it would be unfair to dig out people for wanting to support and show faith in the most successful manager of our lifetimes. 

[Kid Icarus]

17 minutes ago, Geordie Magpie said:

How long does the credit in the bank of winning a cup last? Couple months of next season? All of next season? 5 years? We dropped off a cliff this season .... That Cup Win should of been the start to kicking on but some people are like well we've won a cup doesn't matter now whatever happens

 

Personally, ignoring all the noise I'd give him next season providing there's no sign of trouble. I'm not blind though, far too many people have the knives out for him now, and it's clear we need to start well or he's in trouble.

 

I don't think there's ever a time he should be getting the animosity and disrespect he's already getting from some though (mainly on social media for the avoidance of any doubt)

 

 

Edited May 25 by Kid Icarus

[Minhosa]

5 minutes ago, Geordie Magpie said:

How long does the credit in the bank of winning a cup last? Couple months of next season? All of next season? 5 years? We dropped off a cliff this season .... That Cup Win should of been the start to kicking on but some people are like well we've won a cup doesn't matter now whatever happens

I think that’s a fair question but we’re not just talking about one cup win in isolation. We’re talking about turning around a team destined for relegation. We’re talking about 2 x CL qualifications in 4 years. We’re talking about uniting a fucked up inheritance into a very effective team and we’re talking about a bloke who’s never represented us with anything less than class and dignity. 
 

The club want to give him next season. He obviously wants that too.
 

We’ll all know for sure by November whether that’s the right call and there’ll be very little debate I should think. 
 

It’s not like he has an unlimited amount of ‘free passes’ or time. It’s just, for now, there is still belief in him from some quarters and that’s probably about right. As is having doubts tbf. 

[Keggy_Keagal]

The reason I'm currently a bit undecided on Eddie is when you watch other team at stages of their development, Arsenal under Arteta, Liverpool under Klopp for example , you could see the plan but they didn't have the personnel. Rice and Gyokeres for Arsenal and various players for Liverpool fitted the tactics of both managers and clubs perfectly for what they trying to play and achieve . This season seems like Eddie's been ripping pages out of the Uefa coaching manual to try then it doesn't work and he goes fuck that, hoys  the page away and grabs another. Then 2 weeks later he's rummaging in the bin going where's that page with the back three on again. There's not a vision on where we're going or what we're working towards and again based on football history that always spells trouble.

[bobbydazzla]

2 hours ago, Dr Venkman said:

 

I spent billions of hours reading billions of books to my yoots at bedtime but for a few years now they’ve been too old for bedtime stories. Most nights nowadays they go to bed later than I do.

 

I really miss reading I Want My Hat Back to them, it was my favourite of all their books.

 

You’ve really cheered me up. Proper pang of nostalgia for simpler times.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 25 by bobbydazzla

[Nedders]

9 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

A ‘free pass’ which was then vindicated by his actual performance?

 

I think it’s very fair to have concerns about his ability to manage a heavier calendar. I also think it’s fair for people to want a change. I’m not sure there’s a right or wrong in that debate. What’s not fair is personal shit like calling him ‘beige’ or intentionally overlooking his overall record here or viewing him without the wider context of his time here rather than just off the back of one shite season. 
 

We’re all disappointed mate. You may well be proven right that he should go this summer. We’ll only know that in six months. Even then though, it would be unfair to dig out people for wanting to support and show faith in the most successful manager of our lifetimes. 

The season we finished 7th was disappointing too, right? So there’s previous. Particularly in over-playing trusted players and a refusal to adapt. In game management has been a theme throughout. There’s been a lot of good, and the trophy was unreal, but we are saying we can overlook 14 months of poor football, poor decisions, poor squad balance, etc. I think on balance it’s hard to argue how he turns it around. That he doesn’t have European matches is, for me, an indictment of failure rather than something to look forward to as many have framed it!!

 

The beige comment is my opinion. These last few months he has been incredibly uninspiring to listen to. Again for me I just can’t quite see what others get so defensive about. He’s achieved less than Ranieri, Glasner, Martinez did with Leicester, Palace and Wigan on a vastly larger budget.

 

There was a comment about being destined for relegation but Howe saved us - sorry that’s garbage, the club spent a large amount of money on Trippier, Wood, Burn, Guimares to get out of trouble. We were never going down regardless of manager. However to be clear that doesn’t diminish what Howe did achieve in getting UCL twice and a league cup. We’ll all be forever grateful but the last year has been dreadful.

 

 

Edited May 25 by Nedders

[Kid Icarus]

18 minutes ago, Nedders said:

We peaked.

 

Maybe we did, maybe that's as good as it gets for all of us, not just under Howe. On that note seeing that massive achievement in our club's history as something we should put to one side on this assumed linear path to even bigger and better things without him seems to be based on very little like.

 

The whole point of backing Howe is that he's proved it. 

 

 

Edited May 25 by Kid Icarus

[Minhosa]

2 minutes ago, Nedders said:

The season we finished 7th was disappointing too, right? So there’s previous. Particularly in over-playing trusted players and a refusal to adapt. In game management has been a theme throughout. There’s been a lot of good, and the trophy was unreal, but we are saying we can overlook 14 months of poor football, poor decisions, poor squad balance, etc. I think on balance it’s hard to argue how he turns it around. That he doesn’t have European matches is, for me, an indictment of failure rather than something to look forward to as many have framed it!!

 

The beige comment is my opinion. These last few months he has been incredibly uninspiring to listen to. Again for me I just can’t quite see what others get so defensive about. He’s achieved less than Ranieri, Glasner, Martinez did with Leicester, Palace and Wigan on a vastly larger budget.

I’m not sure it’s defensiveness. For me it’s more gratitude. 
 

Either way, he’ll either sort things out or he won’t and you’ll have your wish. He won’t stay forever and they won’t keep him forever. You’ll be happy inside 6 months imho. He’ll either have turned it around or he’ll have been replaced. 

[Dr Venkman]

1 hour ago, Andy said:

 

That Palace game was the most annoyed I've been with us all season, including the derbies. Just couldn't believe how listless we looked in the first half against a team that clearly couldn't give a shite, the game felt like a pre-season friendly when it should have been an opportunity to have a good crack at the end of the campaign. 

Aye that game was a slap in the face TBH. We were shocking.

[500bhp]

2 hours ago, Nucasol said:

Reading The Athletic write up and this stuck out:

 

In January, Howe had pushed to sign Rayan, the young Brazilian forward, but the club demurred and instead the player left Vasco da Gama for Bournemouth. It meant another window closed with Newcastle failing to upgrade their team.

 

Surely there was a way we could have offloaded a fringe player like Willock to

make this work?

 

Its in The Athletic so presumably written by GC who will never say anything bad about his hero's Howe and Burn. 

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

That Rayan line is pure shite imo, don’t believe it for a second.

[Yorkie]

Been a while since there's been a braindead slagging of 2023/24. Aka one of our best seasons outside the Keegan title challenger days, with literally the highest goals return we've ever produced in the Premier League. Not to mention it was another season where we overperformed relative to our competitors' budgets. 

 

If you want him out on the basis of this season, fair enough. But bringing that season's performance into it is risible.

[Nedders]

2 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

That Rayan line is pure shite imo, don’t believe it for a second.

I am certain Howe shot down rumours of Rayan at the time. So agreed it’s bs, and irritating that the media feel the need to spin a “poor Eddie” narrative.

[Minhosa]

3 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

That Rayan line is pure shite imo, don’t believe it for a second.

Aye, I’m sceptical about it too tbh…

[r0cafella]

13 minutes ago, Nedders said:

The season we finished 7th was disappointing too, right? So there’s previous. Particularly in over-playing trusted players and a refusal to adapt. In game management has been a theme throughout. There’s been a lot of good, and the trophy was unreal, but we are saying we can overlook 14 months of poor football, poor decisions, poor squad balance, etc. I think on balance it’s hard to argue how he turns it around. That he doesn’t have European matches is, for me, an indictment of failure rather than something to look forward to as many have framed it!!

 

The beige comment is my opinion. These last few months he has been incredibly uninspiring to listen to. Again for me I just can’t quite see what others get so defensive about. He’s achieved less than Ranieri, Glasner, Martinez did with Leicester, Palace and Wigan on a vastly larger budget.

 

There was a comment about being destined for relegation but Howe saved us - sorry that’s garbage, the club spent a large amount of money on Trippier, Wood, Burn, Guimares to get out of trouble. We were never going down regardless of manager. However to be clear that doesn’t diminish what Howe did achieve in getting UCL twice and a league cup. We’ll all be forever grateful but the last year has been dreadful.

 

 

 

As someone who would make a change at this point...

 

You don't genuinely believe that season we finished 7 was some sort of under achievement do you? That's pretty much par. 

[TBG]

Thanks, Eddie