Eddie Howe

[Gawalls]

4 minutes ago, Kanj said:

The whole Eddie in/out thing is only convo to kill time before the season at this point because if the club don’t refresh the squad with good quality players they’ll have done Eddie a complete disservice and it’s only going to end in him losing his job. 

But with running the risk of opening old wounds - are we simply going to be looking for players to fit his 4 - 3 - 3 60 Min impact sub or will we be trying different and can he? Is there a system we could try that would suit the likes of Woltemade and should we / are we looking at that?  I honestly don't know what to expect this season and a keeper in with Ramsdale going back and what looked like a similar replacement we had lined up on for Gordon it looks like for like so far.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 10:54 by Gawalls

[OverThere]

If we sell before we "buy" we will have really screwed over Howe and ultimately ourselves.

[duo]

6 minutes ago, OverThere said:

If we sell before we "buy" we will have really screwed over Howe and ultimately ourselves.

We already have with Gordon - let's hope we don't do it again 

[NUFC91]

Why do people in here take one or 2 stupid opinions of people on Twitter and tar every supporting fan with same brush. The same fans seemingly can't take any opinion other than their own narrative like saying we challenged for Europe when we never at all did.

 

The reality is all clubs will have idiots in the fanbase. I was at Fulham away, some fans weren't happy but pretty much everyone stayed behind to bid farewell to Tripps and Gordon, we were walloped by Barcelona yet the whole away end give the team and manager a huge send off leading into the Sunderland home game where they never showed up. 

 

Fans are not entitled for wanting more than finishing 12th, it's almost like you can't dream, if winning one trophy is out ceiling that's great but that didn't get Boro, Swansea Wigan and Birmingham very far, I've done a season where I went to 13 away games and seen us get a draw, I'll not forget those days but equally your not fickle for wanting us to try and win another trophy or qualify for Europe. And it goes the opposite way, if we finish 16th this season I'll still the following season supporting lads being optimistic.

 

Eddie's name will be ringing around St James v Liverpool which will show that twitter isn't the best narrative of a club...

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

26 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

Why do people in here take one or 2 stupid opinions of people on Twitter and tar every supporting fan with same brush. The same fans seemingly can't take any opinion other than their own narrative like saying we challenged for Europe when we never at all did.

 

The reality is all clubs will have idiots in the fanbase. I was at Fulham away, some fans weren't happy but pretty much everyone stayed behind to bid farewell to Tripps and Gordon, we were walloped by Barcelona yet the whole away end give the team and manager a huge send off leading into the Sunderland home game where they never showed up. 

 

Fans are not entitled for wanting more than finishing 12th, it's almost like you can't dream, if winning one trophy is out ceiling that's great but that didn't get Boro, Swansea Wigan and Birmingham very far, I've done a season where I went to 13 away games and seen us get a draw, I'll not forget those days but equally your not fickle for wanting us to try and win another trophy or qualify for Europe. And it goes the opposite way, if we finish 16th this season I'll still the following season supporting lads being optimistic.

 

Eddie's name will be ringing around St James v Liverpool which will show that twitter isn't the best narrative of a club...

 

It's a very easy question to answer, basically everything you're saying there is a series of strawmen.

 

It's not one or two idiots on twitter, it's the overwhelming majority across all social media and at times on here.

 

It's not everyone in the fanbase, it's those people.

 

It's not labelling people entitled for wanting more than finishing 12th, it's much more than that and predominantly the disrespect for Howe and some of our players after 1 bad season out of 4.5.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 11:34 by Kid Icarus

[Minhosa]

4 hours ago, Kanj said:

The whole Eddie in/out thing is only convo to kill time before the season at this point because if the club don’t refresh the squad with good quality players they’ll have done Eddie a complete disservice and it’s only going to end in him losing his job. 

Totally agree. I fear for him next season tbh. Plenty of people essentially now hyper sensitive to any perceived negative both inside and outside the stadium. 
 

He’s desperately going to need his seniors to step up over the next two months imho. Anything less and he’s finished. 

[Coffee_Johnny]

Here's some manager stats. Our best three Premier era managers compared in a way I haven't seen before (top flight league and cup games combined: in the Total Column). 

 

Howe

Spoiler

 

 

Keegan (I haven't included the cup games as a 'second tier' side; or those league games in the total). 

 

Spoiler

 

Robson

 

Spoiler

 

[Mills and Boon]

Good stat dump there John Coffee, like the drink and spelled the same.

 

Howe's keeping great company. Carver, JFK and Bruce must have just missed the cut

[Coffee_Johnny]

48 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

Good stat dump there John Coffee, like the drink and spelled the same.

 

Howe's keeping great company. Carver, JFK and Bruce must have just missed the cut

Nice ☕️ reference but the wrong one. Mine tips it’s/his cap (…) to George Ridley (not Stephen King) as does@Jackie Broon  (not Quentin Tarantino). 

[Holmesy]

57 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

Good stat dump there John Coffee, like the drink and spelled the same.

 

Howe's keeping great company. Carver, JFK and Bruce must have just missed the cut

Can’t mention those guys in the same post mate, it’s disrespectful 😉

[GM]

Been away for a while, and been just catching up on various threads, as I was wondering what the prevailing mood on here was like.

Strikes me there's a common thread running through Howe's situation and what's currently happening to Keir Starmer in the Labour Party: a fundamentally competent, decent, methodical chap who is constitutionally incapable of performing the theatre that modern media demands, being measured against a fantasy alternative who exists mainly in the imagination of people who've been marinated in highlight reels and hot takes.
 

Howe's tactical limitations are a legitimate debate. But a fair chunk of the anti-Howe energy isn't really about tactics, it's about wanting a Tuchel or a Maresca because following a competent grinder doesn't generate the same content as chasing a messiah.
 

The case against Howe tends to dissolve into vague dissatisfaction rather than a coherent alternative. "He's not exciting enough" isn't a tactical argument. I feel like we need to see the alternatives made with a bit more rigour before we start sharpening the pitchforks. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

11 minutes ago, GM said:

Been away for a while, and been just catching up on various threads, as I was wondering what the prevailing mood on here was like.

Strikes me there's a common thread running through Howe's situation and what's currently happening to Keir Starmer in the Labour Party: a fundamentally competent, decent, methodical chap who is constitutionally incapable of performing the theatre that modern media demands, being measured against a fantasy alternative who exists mainly in the imagination of people who've been marinated in highlight reels and hot takes.
 

Howe's tactical limitations are a legitimate debate. But a fair chunk of the anti-Howe energy isn't really about tactics, it's about wanting a Tuchel or a Maresca because following a competent grinder doesn't generate the same content as chasing a messiah.
 

The case against Howe tends to dissolve into vague dissatisfaction rather than a coherent alternative. "He's not exciting enough" isn't a tactical argument. I feel like we need to see the alternatives made with a bit more rigour before we start sharpening the pitchforks. 

Starmer basically said that Israel has a right to use starvation and thirst as a tactic by answering the question by saying that Israel has a right to defend itself.. Fundamentally decent people don't say that. 

 

I agree with everything else you say of course.

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Vinny Green Balls

[ffs]

1 hour ago, GM said:

Been away for a while, and been just catching up on various threads, as I was wondering what the prevailing mood on here was like.

Strikes me there's a common thread running through Howe's situation and what's currently happening to Keir Starmer in the Labour Party: a fundamentally competent, decent, methodical chap who is constitutionally incapable of performing the theatre that modern media demands, being measured against a fantasy alternative who exists mainly in the imagination of people who've been marinated in highlight reels and hot takes.
 

Howe's tactical limitations are a legitimate debate. But a fair chunk of the anti-Howe energy isn't really about tactics, it's about wanting a Tuchel or a Maresca because following a competent grinder doesn't generate the same content as chasing a messiah.
 

The case against Howe tends to dissolve into vague dissatisfaction rather than a coherent alternative. "He's not exciting enough" isn't a tactical argument. I feel like we need to see the alternatives made with a bit more rigour before we start sharpening the pitchforks. 

 

starmer never won the league cup, tho

[GM]

1 hour ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

Starmer basically said that Israel has a right to use starvation and thirst as a tactic by answering the question by saying that Israel has a right to defend itself.. Fundamentally decent people don't say that. 

 

Fair point 

 

10 minutes ago, ffs said:

 

starmer never won the league cup, tho

Howe's never won a General Election tho