LiquidAK Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, Dokko said: Maybe if he was more on it he'd have known where the player was behind him, or would be behind that player himself. He's 19ft tall, he doesn't need to be in front of anyone. Maybe. "Maybe" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there Don't really agree that any of the freak injuries can be blamed on fatigue, rotation, or style of play etc. - you basically get into butterfly-effect territory. I get what you're getting at, just don't agree personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Dokko said: Burn is situational as well. For games prior he was getting worse in terms of play, getting more and more desperate, and this was down to fatigue. Anderson is the only one you can full say isn't to overplaying. How is the Burn injury down to fatigue? He landed awkwardly on his back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dokko said: Maybe if he was more on it he'd have known where the player was behind him, or would be behind that player himself. He's 19ft tall, he doesn't need to be in front of anyone. Maybe. Tbh I feel like you've picked the wrong example here, any other player I could probably see an arguement, but that is a streeeetch I'm not going to lie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, LiquidAK said: "Maybe" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there Don't really agree that any of the freak injuries can be blamed on fatigue, rotation, or style of play etc. - you basically get into butterfly-effect territory. I get what you're getting at, just don't agree personally. Which is fair enough, and least you've accepted my opinion differs than just immediately resulting to name calling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) I have tentative faith that he knows we need to buy a genuinely creative player who can play RW or a CAM / RW free role and evolve away from the ‘beat them with our running’ style that just isn’t working away from home. Edited December 7, 2023 by Ronaldo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, Dokko said: Which is fair enough, and least you've accepted my opinion differs than just immediately resulting to name calling. You would say that, cunt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, LiquidAK said: You would say that, cunt Alright, calm down 56 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 14 minutes ago, midds said: He's fighting Tyson with one arm tied behind his back atm. We've literally got about 14 fit, senior players, what the fuck's he supposed to do? Any criticism of Howe is bang out of order at the minute. Yes he could have saved a few from running for an extra 9 minutes tonight or whatever but the big picture is looking good. We will get players back in time. We will be able to rotate, we will be able to change games from the bench but right now his hands and tied and his fingers superglued. Criticism of the boss is heresy at this moment in time, ffs Spot on. The one tiny criticism would maybe be resting players when we went 2 down though no doubt people would have had a go that we had 15mins left and could get back in to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, 54 said: Alright, calm down 56 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: I have tentative faith that he knows we need to buy a genuinely creative player who can play RW or a CAM / RW free role and evolve away from the ‘beat them with our running’ style that just isn’t working away from home. Missing out on Maddison and Szobszlai, who both have very similar and unique player profiles suggests that he does. Feel like it's going to be a player we're not hugely familiar with as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ronaldo said: I have tentative faith that he knows we need to buy a genuinely creative player who can play RW or a CAM / RW free role and evolve away from the ‘beat them with our running’ style that just isn’t working away from home. It did work last season, problem are the injuries this season. You can't play two games a week with that intensity without being able to do any rotation. Agree that we need a creative player though but more for home games. Edited December 8, 2023 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, madras said: Spot on. The one tiny criticism would maybe be resting players when we went 2 down though no doubt people would have had a go that we had 15mins left and could get back in to it. I wondered about that myself. I thought he might have pulled Isak off just to preserve him for the next game, but he stayed on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, Pata said: It did work last season, problem are the injuries this season. You can play two games a week with that intensity without being able to do any rotation. Agree that we need a creative player though. Even last season the intensity was in game rotation more than starting XIs quite often 3 or 4 subs in midfield or attack to keep the intensity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, TRon said: I wondered about that myself. I thought he might have pulled Isak off just to preserve him for the next game, but he stayed on. Yeah my worry is some of these starters get injured just before the other lads start coming back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: I have tentative faith that he knows we need to buy a genuinely creative player who can play RW or a CAM / RW free role and evolve away from the ‘beat them with our running’ style that just isn’t working away from home. We didn’t even try it today. I think he’s being cautious because he wants the team to stay injury free and last 90 minutes. But we aren’t going to win away from home unless we do the hard running game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Burn's injury is not down to fatigue, but a few of his bad performances were absolutely down to fatigue and complete lack of rotation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, Aiston said: Burn's injury is not down to fatigue, but a few of his bad performances were absolutely down to fatigue and complete lack of rotation. Yak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 My only concern today was the general performance. We needed to start with more intensity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) After watching that clip of Klopp last night and seeing how sour he was in success I absolutely loved seeing how dignified Howe was in defeat. A constructive criticism would be that we need to find an alternative style of play for nights such as tonight, where we need to conserve energy but grind out 3 points. Easier said than done and also easier said in the aftermath. The glaringly obvious thing to me is that our players looked fucking knackered. I cannot see us getting owt at Spurs without players coming back and my only clutch at straws would be that the home game vs Milan might have our fans fired up to really push them over the line and we (as fans) owe that to the players and staff, in my opinion. Mental tiredness was what undone us tonight in the first instance, I commented recently to friends how our decision making was almost always spot on. On several occasions tonight it wasn't. They're only human after all. We eventually got punished, as happens at this level. As much as I want to win every game I actually think finishing 4th in our group and hunting down the domestic cups and 4th would benefit us more long term. Champions league might be the big earner and the marketing piece for potential signings but we have a very good chance to go after the League Cup now and the FA Cup has an important derby day which could be a real morale booster after a tough first 4 months or so of the season. If other clubs such as those around us remain in Europe then that balances the playing field in the league, congestion-wise (of fixtures). 4th would be massive for us 2 years in a row and then I think we get another craic at what could have been this year. That being said I'd not complain if we beat Milan... The fact that Eddie Howe has got some of the results he has in recent weeks speaks volumes to the work that's being done behind the scenes. Find it bizarre that only now are folk commenting on our missing players. If this was any other club they'd have been talking like this like 5 injuries ago... Edited December 7, 2023 by Heron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Heron said: After watching that clip of Klopp last night and seeing how sour he was in success I absolutely loved seeing how dignified Howe was in defeat. A constructive criticism would be that we need to find an alternative style of play for nights such as tonight, where we need to conserve energy but grind out 3 points. Easier said than done and also easier said in the aftermath. The glaringly obvious thing to me is that our players looked fucking knackered. I cannot see us getting owt at Spurs without players coming back and my only clutch at straws would be that the home game vs Milan might have our fans fired up to really push them over the line and we (as fans) owe that to the players and staff, in my opinion. Mental tiredness was what undone us tonight on the first instance, I commented recently to friends how our decision making was almost always spot on. On several occasions tonight it wasn't. They're only human after all. We eventually got punished, as happens that this level. As much as I want to win every game I actually think finishing 4th in our group and having down the domestic cups and 4th would benefit us more long term. Champions league might be the big earner and the marketing piece for potential signings but we have a very good chance to go after the League Cup now and the FA Cup has an important Derby day which could be a real morale booster after a tough first 4 months or so of the season. If other clubs such as those around us remain in Europe then that balances the playing field in the league, congestion-wise (of fixtures). 4th would be massive for us 2 years in a row and then I think we get another craic at what could have been this year. That being said I'd not complain if we beat Milan... The fact that Eddie Howe has got some of the results he has in recent weeks speaks volumes to the work that's being done behind the scenes. Find it bizarre that only.now are folk commenting on our missing players. If this was any other club they'd have been talking like this like 5 injuries ago... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Playnthe same team for the rest of the month and play like that in the derby, and it's going to be one of the most embarrassing games in our history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Dokko said: Playnthe same team for the rest of the month and play like that in the derby, and it's going to be one of the most embarrassing games in our history. What do you suggest he do? I know you think he should start Hall, what else? I can see him playing Kidd against Chelsea as the break. I wonder if he would leave the other lads home for a proper rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideopenMag Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Think the Barnes injury might have had more of an effect on his plans than we realise. Was a big outlay on him and he had a good goal return for Leciester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: What do you suggest he do? I know you think he should start Hall, what else? I can see him playing Kidd against Chelsea as the break. I wonder if he would leave the other lads home for a proper rest. We played a reserve team against Man U away in the cup and beat them quite convincingly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dokko said: Playnthe same team for the rest of the month and play like that in the derby, and it's going to be one of the most embarrassing games in our history. Oh dear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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