Eddie Howe

[Heron]

2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Pardew was our best manager since Joe Harvey. Why wouldn't I be 

 

Good lord. Some statement that.

[El Prontonise]

[Fak]

4 minutes ago, Heron said:

 

Good lord. Some statement that.

When you consider Harvey wasn’t working under Ashley with both hands tied behind his back you could definitely make an argument that Pardew > Harvey. 

[El Prontonise]

He's earned enough brownie points for the rest of the season, however I do believe the top brass might be getting more twitchy.

 

It's hard to know how involved he is with recruitment etc, but we needed to turn around a decent chunk of the squad in the summer and we didn't.  You can't sit still in football and that's what we are doing this season.

[Ellis H]

13 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

My fucking god, forget I mentioned Pardew and Bruce, especially if you're not going to read the full post.

What was the bigger picture with them? I only remember a very small one which resembled something drawn in human shit. Howe’s one is he’s doing really well despite performances not always being consistently good. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

14 minutes ago, Heron said:

 

Good lord. Some statement that.

 

Cunt 

[ExiledGeordie]

People genuinely calling for Howe to be removed at this stage are incredibly reactionary and short term minded. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

2 minutes ago, Ellis H said:

What was the bigger picture with them? I only remember a very small one which resembled something drawn in human shit. Howe’s one is he’s doing really well despite performances not always being consistently good. 

 

Every single non-Newcastle fan questioning why we were desperate to get rid, relentless shite in the media. Even some of our own liked Pardew right until the end.

[Cronky]

Just now, El Prontonise said:

He's earned enough brownie points for the rest of the season, however I do believe the top brass might be getting more twitchy.

 

It's hard to know how involved he is with recruitment etc, but we needed to turn around a decent chunk of the squad in the summer and we didn't.  You can't sit still in football and that's what we are doing this season.

 

Yeah, in practice if you sit still, you slide backwards.

 

One significant addition to the squad, either at CB or RW, could have made a big difference. It's not just a matter of that individual's quality. A big signing can energise a squad and give everyone at the club a lift. It's not clear why that didn't happen, but the changes behind the scenes with Staveley and Mitchell probably didn't help. On top of that, we're a bit light at CB due to injuries.

 

Overall, I think finishing 4th gave many supporters the impression that our squad is better than it really is. Nothing that's happened this season has deflected me from the opinion that Eddie is an exceptional manager who is doing very well with the players at his disposal.

 

 

[Menace]

The people wanting him out are no worse than the people that are "were 3 points off so and so" 

 

6 points separates like 10 places in the league. We've been shite for the vast majority of the season.

[Dokko]

Only way he sees Christmas here is if the board don't have a replacement lined up. I'm concerned their go to is Jose. It lacks imagination. I think he'll do we enough short term, but it will fall apart, it always does. Chances are if we're still in the LC, the jammy fucker would win it. 

 

Some young and progressive managers in the league already, and shows switched on clubs can find them and punch above their weight. That was us. Certainly isn't now. 

 

I've always thought our coaching staff would be an issue, I think this is where Howe holds himself back mostly. There is no one there with any real elite level experience, most of them this is their highest level, and it's starting to show with lack of ideas and alternative strategies. 

 

I was always told Howe would be ruthless, I've seen nothing but misplaced loyalty both on and off the pitch. It's admirable, but limiting him and us. He has to change or he'll be changed. That's the life of a football manager, he needs to start to manage the situation and he's clearly not. This has been a full year of decline now. Not many managers survive that. 

 

Zero shots on target to a team fighting relegation. Bruce levels of shite. 

[Gawalls]

4 minutes ago, Cronky said:

 

Yeah, in practice if you sit still, you slide backwards.

 

One significant addition to the squad, either at CB or RW, could have made a big difference. It's not just a matter of that individual's quality. A big signing can energise a squad and give everyone at the club a lift. It's not clear why that didn't happen, but the changes behind the scenes with Staveley and Mitchell probably didn't help. On top of that, we're a bit light at CB due to injuries.

 

Overall, I think finishing 4th gave many supporters the impression that our squad is better than it really is. Nothing that's happened this season has deflected me from the opinion that Eddie is an exceptional manager who is doing very well with the players at his disposal.

 

 

Not gonna sit here and debate that with things like we’re showing around the same position as teams who would love Italian, Brazilian and English internationals to choose from as well as people as good as Barnes and tripps on the bench but that’s been done to death. Don’t know if it’s him or the clubs stubbornness to sell but if reports are true we turned down bids for him in Jan then that area needs work. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

26 minutes ago, Heron said:

This is somewhat fair. However, on this forum we have some suggesting it's a results business and then on that basis he's under fire. Then, others saying it's more about performances.

 

I mean ultimately, it's both and we want both, but results are the priority and with the exception of some silly ones this week and a couple from earlier in the season, we're not doing all that bad. We've beaten or got results against teams we're less expected to and dropped them in the reverse scenario, like about 16 of the other teams in the division.

 

 

 

Performances are what the manager can control though. That’s his input, the rest is a result of that input plus luck. 
 

Of course you can play average and still deserve to win. And you can be the worse team and still defend well enough to deserve some points etc. 

[RS]

I think he’s tried to change the game plan from high intensity due to the injuries we were continually picking up. Unfortunately it left us in no man’s land. The squad isn’t technical enough to play any other way. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

21 minutes ago, Menace said:

The people wanting him out are no worse than the people that are "were 3 points off so and so" 

 

6 points separates like 10 places in the league. We've been shite for the vast majority of the season.

I think they’re not justifying the performances, it’s more that there’s scope to catch up quickly so it’s not a lost cause. And to highlight how competitive the league is this year. 

[Groundhog63]

I'm all in for Howe. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I wouldn't like share a trench with some of you lot 😂

[Heron]

29 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Performances are what the manager can control though. That’s his input, the rest is a result of that input plus luck. 
 

Of course you can play average and still deserve to win. And you can be the worse team and still defend well enough to deserve some points etc. 

The manager can control elements of performance but not all performance. He can field 11 men and give them the strategy and tactics but they play the game. Likewise he can substitute players and change the above until hopefully said players or strategy work. However, again he is relying on the players to perform.

 

There is a mixture happening at present, some of which cna be attributed to Howe, others to the players.

 

However, to some degree those above Howe also control his capabilities to get a performance and results. All in all, we're performing as a club where last seasons finish and this seasons start suggest. Amongst it and competing but not excelling.

 

The manager is just the quick and immediate solution to everyone in football. Sometimes, it's just a bit short sighted imo and there's elements of it being shown by our fanbase.

 

Extreme scenario (of course) but if we won the league on 1-0s where in some games we never had a shot on target, would folk still be complaining about performances?

 

Alternatively - folk were complaining when we performed well but didn't pick you results...

 

Appreciate this is a bit of a waffle response, but I guess my overall point is that the issue isn't all Eddie and he is perhaps a contributory factor as to why we aren't getting performances rather than being the focus of all our downfalls.

 

I'm of the view that those above him operating at board level and beyond to the PL etc. have created the most issues for us, as a club and that has upset the apple cart from top to bottom - but that doesn't mean Howe is blameless presently.

 

 

[Heron]

12 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

I'm all in for Howe. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I wouldn't like share a trench with some of you lot 😂

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[Erikse]

The only reason we're 4 points off third is because the current 3rd place is on course for 67 points. We've not had a 3rd place finish as low as 67 points since 19/20, so it's a fluke, and someone is going probably to pull away eventually. The more teams in the mix, the more likely it is for some of them to go on a proper streak. If we are going to judge our points, as mentioned, it's all about how many points we have on average and look at what that average usually gives come end of season. Talking about 4 points off 3rd it doesn't really evaluate our points that much, but rather the unusually low score of the 3rd place, which will change over time.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Erikse

[Heron]

15 minutes ago, Erikse said:

The only reason we're 4 points off third is because the current 3rd place is on course for 67 points. I doubt we ever had a 3rd place finish as low as 67 points, so it's obviously a fluke, and someone is going to pull away eventually. The more teams in the mix, the more likely it is for some of them to go on a proper streak. If we are going to judge our points, as mentioned, it's all about how many points we have on average and look at what that average usually gives come end of season. Talking about 4 points off 3rd it doesn't really evaluate our points that much, but rather the unusually low score of the 3rd place, which will change over time.

 

 

 

Speaking of this season, statistically only, there is nothing you have said here that proves or disproves whether Newcastle could or couldn't be that breakaway club. If our average points is x then the average of clubs around us is also very similar to x.

 

So basically what you're saying is you dont think we can be or are that club which is a separate discussion.

[Erikse]

7 minutes ago, Heron said:

Speaking of this season, statistically only, there is nothing you have said here that proves or disproves whether Newcastle could or couldn't be that breakaway club. If our average points is x then the average of clubs around us is also very similar to x.

 

So basically what you're saying is you dont think we can be or are that club which is a separate discussion.

 

No I am saying that we need to step up our game and take more than 1.46 points per game, because that is only good enough for ~9th come end of the season. Us being x amount of points behind someone doesn't change our results.

 

Let me get this straight - we are evaluating our own points and results up until now, right? 3rd place come end of season will 100% have more than 67 points. That's the only reason I brought that up. What we, a specific team, are going to do is more guesswork, and doesn't matter in terms of evaluating our results or points so far.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Erikse

[Erikse]

Basically if you your opinion that 19 in 13 is a good or acceptable score, that means that your standard is that 55 points is a good or acceptable end result. 

 

My expectation for this squad without Europe is a little higher than that.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Erikse

[TRon]

1 hour ago, RS said:

I think he’s tried to change the game plan from high intensity due to the injuries we were continually picking up. Unfortunately it left us in no man’s land. The squad isn’t technical enough to play any other way. 

 

 

It does look like that when you watch us struggle to keep possession put under even moderate pressure. But you would expect that if we had not spent big money on more or less all areas of the pitch. £40m full backs, £50m midfielders, a £60m striker. That's not going to win you the title, but you should be able to pass the ball around without much issue. Especially when you've got £100m worth of talent sitting on the bench.

[Ronaldo]

55 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

I'm all in for Howe. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I wouldn't like share a trench with some of you lot 😂

What a weird thing to say. 
 

Oh and Heron defended our football under Pardew, Carver and Bruce. Iron man indeed. 

[Geogaddi]

We have had a pretty easy start to the season fixture wise as well , we still have to go away to 7 of the 9 teams above us for example , this only being 4 points off third makes things sound a lot better than they are and that's down to the relatively easy start to the season fixture wise .