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Slater582

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On 06/05/2024 at 16:31, O Neill said:

 

From what I know of the average player contracts, somewhere around £1M is about right. It's certainly reduced from the £1.5M that Rangers were throwing at it a few years ago. It's quite clear that the lack of fan interest, up here, has the Old Firm thinking twice about putting unrecoverable money in. Both clubs have a ridiculous number of sponsors involved, which I'd guess covers a good percentage of the costs. What I'm expecting to see is the spend to continue dropping over the next few years, as the sponsors now start to lose interest. A lot of the sponsors were told women's football was going to be something huge, and to get on board before the big rush. However, with attendances of 150-200 on an average week, a number of sponsors are now questioning the exposure that they are getting.

 

The type of player that Rangers and Celtic attract, tends to be lower end Championship, or players who are struggling to get a game at Championship level. An example would be Charlie Wellings, who came up here and hit 40+ goals in the league for Celtic, but has gone back to Reading, scoring 6 in 28. Most who come up here are looking for short-term payday, while also putting themselves in the shop window for a bigger move back down South.

 

The budgets of the bigger WSL clubs will be ten times what is offered up here. I know that several years back, Arsenal were paying Kim Little £120k per year, plus a house and a car. I'd expect for top stars, that number will have risen quite a bit since then, and most of these big clubs have a squad full of those players. The likes of Bristol City at the bottom end, and Crystal Palace in the Championship are probably comparable to Rangers and Celtic. The key difference will be that they can offer ambition. The prospect of playing competitive matches every single week, at a high level, is a huge draw. That isn't available in Scotland, and in my opinion, is never going to be.

 

What Newcastle are already investing, I'd suspect, is more than Celtic or Rangers. I actually think that Newcastle could do well to look at a few SWPL players, as a way of enhancing their squad for next season. There are plenty of talents up here, many not being paid a huge amount of money to play 80% of the season at a below par level. Could probably list a dozen or more potential names that would be worth looking at.

Rumour going around that Celtic and Rangers are in talks to join the WSL.

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On 15/01/2025 at 13:37, MagCA said:

Here in a piece on The Athletic about Rangers and Celtic maybe joining the WSL. 
 

Making it a closed league would be such a punch in the face to the lower leagues. 
 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6063634/2025/01/15/celtic-rangers-join-wsl/?source=user_shared_article

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If they did this we'll definitely be invited into it. I'm guessing there'll be a process for others to join too. Anyone who invests properly into their women's team probably will. It's shite but if we're in it I'm not really arsed.

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5 minutes ago, Decky said:

If they did this we'll definitely be invited into it. I'm guessing there'll be a process for others to join too. Anyone who invests properly into their women's team probably will. It's shite but if we're in it I'm not really arsed.

I find it hard to believe that Rangers and Celtic would be invited in, and we wouldn’t.

I hate the idea of closed leagues though, it doesn’t matter if it’s an ESL, or a WSL.

To think the likes of Doncaster and even Sunderland who have a rich history in women’s football could be locked out, shameful really.

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On 15/01/2025 at 13:37, MagCA said:

Here in a piece on The Athletic about Rangers and Celtic maybe joining the WSL. 
 

Making it a closed league would be such a punch in the face to the lower leagues. 
 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6063634/2025/01/15/celtic-rangers-join-wsl/?source=user_shared_article

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Hahahahaha. Then it'll be "it's working so well in the women's game (it won't be), it'd be misogynistic to assume the men can't learn something from female contributions to football".

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On 15/01/2025 at 13:37, MagCA said:

Here in a piece on The Athletic about Rangers and Celtic maybe joining the WSL. 
 

Making it a closed league would be such a punch in the face to the lower leagues. 
 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6063634/2025/01/15/celtic-rangers-join-wsl/?source=user_shared_article

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It's a story that appears up here every six months or so. The reality is starting to become more apparent in Scotland that those running the game have made a mess of it. They failed to capitalise on the boom period around the time of the Euros in England, and simply didn't capture new interest. Since then, they've tried to force the idea of a fully professional league, with clubs being asked to spend excessive amounts of money to play in front of average crowds of less than 200 spectators each week. The model is unsustainable, and plenty of clubs do not want to follow the Old Firm into investing £1M-£1.5M per season into a product that returns nothing.

 

It's little surprise that the OF want to get involved in the WSL. They will see it as the easiest route to making their women's teams pay for themselves. The TV deals and prize money involved in the WSL blows away the laughable sums offered up here. (The winner of this season's league cup will get a whole £12k). The problem that the OF face is that despite their belief that they carry big brand names, they still can't draw a crowd. Last season's Scottish Cup semi-final between the pair drew less than 3,000 at Hampden (less than half that for their league meetings), and if history is anything to go by, then more than 50% of that will have been complimentary tickets. I think the OF will find it difficult to persuade the WSL, that they are worth taking a gamble on. Their best bet for inclusion is probably if the WSL decides to move to a 'shut-out' model, with no relegation.

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1 minute ago, O Neill said:

 

It's a story that appears up here every six months or so. The reality is starting to become more apparent in Scotland that those running the game have made a mess of it. They failed to capitalise on the boom period around the time of the Euros in England, and simply didn't capture new interest. Since then, they've tried to force the idea of a fully professional league, with clubs being asked to spend excessive amounts of money to play in front of average crowds of less than 200 spectators each week. The model is unsustainable, and plenty of clubs do not want to follow the Old Firm into investing £1M-£1.5M per season into a product that returns nothing.

 

It's little surprise that the OF want to get involved in the WSL. They will see it as the easiest route to making their women's teams pay for themselves. The TV deals and prize money involved in the WSL blows away the laughable sums offered up here. (The winner of this season's league cup will get a whole £12k). The problem that the OF face is that despite their belief that they carry big brand names, they still can't draw a crowd. Last season's Scottish Cup semi-final between the pair drew less than 3,000 at Hampden (less than half that for their league meetings), and if history is anything to go by, then more than 50% of that will have been complimentary tickets. I think the OF will find it difficult to persuade the WSL, that they are worth taking a gamble on. Their best bet for inclusion is probably if the WSL decides to move to a 'shut-out' model, with no relegation.

 

Genuinely took me a good 5 seconds to realise OF stood for Old Firm and I hadn't missed news about a misguided Only Fans initiative. I thought that sounded like an inappropriate direction for the game. :lol: 

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Doesn't seem so. It's away, so it would depend on them. The club usually posts if it's live, including links to away clubs. Nothing this time.

 

 

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Losing 1-0.

 

I know this won't go down well as there is so much sentimentality with the womens team, but they're having a shocking season given the investment!

It was always going to be a tight league, but we've looked way off the pace again and again!

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21 minutes ago, iklgizmo said:

Losing 1-0.

 

I know this won't go down well as there is so much sentimentality with the womens team, but they're having a shocking season given the investment!

It was always going to be a tight league, but we've looked way off the pace again and again!

Instead of buying good players from WSL teams, or their younger players who can develop, they have bought their squad fillers, and those towards the end of their careers. That Andrews we have playing is fucking gash for instance.

 

 

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