Bruno Guimarães

[Lush Vlad]

1 hour ago, 80 said:

There's a trend of thinking all our players are crap now because they're all not playing well. But the fact they're all not playing well at the same time tells me there's something else going on, and it's probably not a straightforward reflection of their abilities.

This. Bit too coincidental that basically all of our players bar Hall and possibly Burn seem below their usual levels, stats not up to scratch and they’re wildly inconsistent. 
 

To balance it out. I do think Howe managed to mask certain players deficiencies and elevate quite a few above their level. But our big name, big money players haven’t suddenly become shit. But none of them are performing well. 
 

It is also this place after some bad results and performances. One week player X is one of our best signings of all time. The next he’s shit, past it and needs moving on.  

 

 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Lush Vlad

[healthyaddiction]

I'm probably looking at him through rose-tinted glasses because I love Bruno, but I think if he goes to Man City in January (pretty sure he won't) by the end of the season people will be talking about him as one of the best midfielders in the league.

[Chris_R]

I'm not suggesting we won't sell him, and indeed we do need to recycle players at some point for FFP reasons so on that level I'd understand if we did, but anyone suggesting selling him is a good idea needs their head read.

 

We're struggling right now to break teams down and he's our most creative player. It'll leave a massive hole.

[madras]

4 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

I'm not suggesting we won't sell him, and indeed we do need to recycle players at some point for FFP reasons so on that level I'd understand if we did, but anyone suggesting selling him is a good idea needs their head read.

 

We're struggling right now to break teams down and he's our most creative player. It'll leave a massive hole.

I'd imagine if he were to be sold it would be contingent on also bringing someone in, possibly not even a direct replacement.

[Chris_R]

1 hour ago, madras said:

I'd imagine if he were to be sold it would be contingent on also bringing someone in, possibly not even a direct replacement.

 

Yeah I don't doubt we'd use the money, this isn't the Ashley era. But we'd either have to bring someone in better for less, or be left worse off as a squad.

 

Personally I can't see who would be better for less, though I'm sure there's players out there. It's a big world. Just feels like a risky dice roll, but eventually we have to roll it I guess, if not for Bruno then for one of the other big names because FFP means we can't let everyone retire here.

 

We do need to be better sellers, but that needs a really good long-term plan and strategy. We'll just have to trust that when we do sell someone, it's part of such a plan.

[Mahoneys Tache]

3 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

This. Bit too coincidental that basically all of our players bar Hall and possibly Burn seem below their usual levels, stats not up to scratch and they’re wildly inconsistent. 
 

To balance it out. I do think Howe managed to mask certain players deficiencies and elevate quite a few above their level. But our big name, big money players haven’t suddenly become shit. But none of them are performing well. 
 

It is also this place after some bad results and performances. One week player X is one of our best signings of all time. The next he’s shit, past it and needs moving on.  

 

 

 

That can happen during a match. 

[madras]

41 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

Yeah I don't doubt we'd use the money, this isn't the Ashley era. But we'd either have to bring someone in better for less, or be left worse off as a squad.

 

Personally I can't see who would be better for less, though I'm sure there's players out there. It's a big world. Just feels like a risky dice roll, but eventually we have to roll it I guess, if not for Bruno then for one of the other big names because FFP means we can't let everyone retire here.

 

We do need to be better sellers, but that needs a really good long-term plan and strategy. We'll just have to trust that when we do sell someone, it's part of such a plan.

Maybe not better per se as somebody who's more complimentary to Tonali and maybe more attacking. It could give us a chance to alter the playing strategy.

 

That's not to say I'm all for it, just that it needn't be all bad, we could end up in a stronger position for it. 

[TRon]

14 hours ago, lovejoy said:

No, I don’t think it is.

 

i reckon if the price is right though, we’ll sell.

 

 

Ironically that might be our best chance of keeping him. He's 27 now so probably at that stage where we could extract big money for him. But that might also be the reason why clubs won't pay anything like £100m for him. City might be one of the few clubs who might offer something close, but even they'll probably come in with something like £60-70million and we won't sell for that.

 

FWIW I don't want to sell him at all, but not sure how we square that with PSR and future team building.

[Turnbull2000]

Wouldn't be too disappointed if he went to City for £80m or so. PSR doesn't allow us to fix all the other major deficiencies in our squad, so this would go some way to helping.

 

A new ground or extension is many years off (I'm not convinced either will happen personally), and still no sign of major sponsorships, so regularly turning a big profit on player assets is the only way to maintain a challenge for a CL place.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

You would need to spend a decent amount of money on replacements for any star players sold, that's my issue. And the replacements would likely be lesser quality, unless your scouting is absolutely perfect. 

[Parsley]

We should include Nunes in any sale to City. I think he'd be a really good fit in either the LCM or RCM positions. 

[500bhp]

17 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

You would need to spend a decent amount of money on replacements for any star players sold, that's my issue. And the replacements would likely be lesser quality, unless your scouting is absolutely perfect. 

His replacement is already at the club? Italian international CM. We are not short of CMs but do need to prioritise a CF and RW above a Bruno replacement, in my opinion. 

[KaKa]

13 minutes ago, Parsley said:

We should include Nunes in any sale to City. I think he'd be a really good fit in either the LCM or RCM positions. 

 

I agree.

 

Seen a few talk down on him on here, but I remember watching a fair bit of him at Sporting, and I think he'd suit Howe's team unbelievably well.

 

A lot of what we keep waiting for Willock to deliver consistently, is exactly what he would provide in a more high tempo team.

 

And a Joelinton, Nunes and Tonali midfield would return us to our relentless pressing style.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

5 minutes ago, 500bhp said:

His replacement is already at the club? Italian international CM. We are not short of CMs but do need to prioritise a CF and RW above a Bruno replacement, in my opinion. 

 

Well we need several good CMs. If we lost Bruno then IMO Tonali would one the only real quality CM in the squad. Miley could be in future.

[Shearergol]

13 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I agree.

 

Seen a few talk down on him on here, but I remember watching a fair bit of him at Sporting, and I think he'd suit Howe's team unbelievably well.

 

A lot of what we keep waiting for Willock to deliver consistently, is exactly what he would provide in a more high tempo team.

 

And a Joelinton, Nunes and Tonali midfield would return us to our relentless pressing style.

 

The relentless pressing style isn't the issue when teams sit back against us. Joelinton needs to be on the wing or on the bench in those games.

[SUPERTOON]

17 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I agree.

 

Seen a few talk down on him on here, but I remember watching a fair bit of him at Sporting, and I think he'd suit Howe's team unbelievably well.

 

A lot of what we keep waiting for Willock to deliver consistently, is exactly what he would provide in a more high tempo team.

 

And a Joelinton, Nunes and Tonali midfield would return us to our relentless pressing style.

Joelinton hasn’t played well in CM for a long time for us.

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Joelinton hasn’t played well in CM for a long time for us.

 

Well the manager is going to continue playing him in there, and so we have to hope for the best.

 

Gordon is on the left and we are looking to bring in a right winger.

 

 

[KaKa]

7 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

 

The relentless pressing style isn't the issue when teams sit back against us. Joelinton needs to be on the wing or on the bench in those games.

 

We are going to have to get a quality right winger that improves our attack.

 

Regarding Joelinton, you will have to take that up with Howe.

 

I'm purely looking at what Howe is most likely to do with the players. And if we get a right winger in that starts, Gordon will be on the left and Joelinton in midfield.

[Roids]

11 hours ago, Cornah said:

Great character and can win a free kick but his shooting reminds me of Diana Ross in the USA opening ceremony, also has the pace of an asthmatic sloth.. Canny at fist pumps but anything around 70m should be snaffled asap..

70m 

 

In world where Rice & Caceido went for 100m, Hojlund & Nunez @ 70m.

You guys either don't rate/value Bruno or don't understand the market. 
Anything under 90m would be criminal

 

[Dr Jinx]

If City do come knocking then we're in a strong position, they need someone to fill a Rodri shaped hole and although Bruno is not that guy he would give them a bit of control.

 

90m + Nunes and we should consider it. Then get whatever we can for Almiron, Longstaff, Targett etc, maybe let Joelinton go too.

 

I'd rather lose them then Barnes, Gordon or Isak

[The Butcher]

Bairns getting the home shirt with his name on the back for Christmas.

 

Would prefer if he stayed a bit longer tbh.

 

 

Edited December 13, 2024 by The Butcher

[TRon]

40 minutes ago, Roids said:

70m 

 

In world where Rice & Caceido went for 100m, Hojlund & Nunez @ 70m.

You guys either don't rate/value Bruno or don't understand the market. 
Anything under 90m would be criminal

 

 

I agree with you on his value £90m sounds about right, but how old were those players you mentioned there when they were sold for those amounts? Bruno's 27 now, every year we don't sell, his value depreciates. It's the same with Barnes. Different if they were 24.

 

The only way we can stop even thinking about this is some wins tbh. If we are in the top 6 challenging for the CL, who will give a toss about PSR?

 

 

[sempuki]

Would be daft not to take £90m and one of Citeh's young hotshot players. We'd probably be able to get a couple of stellar first teamers with that. Would be sad to see him go but he won't be here forever and it might make sense to get it done in January before his value goes down, particularly as we are crying out for new players.

[Ronson333]

3 minutes ago, sempuki said:

Would be daft not to take £90m and one of Citeh's young hotshot players. We'd probably be able to get a couple of stellar first teamers with that. Would be sad to see him go but he won't be here forever and it might make sense to get it done in January before his value goes down, particularly as we are crying out for new players.

I trust our scouts to spend wisely. We identified Ederson last year and he was available for £25m but we decided not to spend. We also were heavily linked to Mamardashvili before he signed for Liverpool but we once again decided against spending £30m on him.

 

The scouts are identifying real talent abroad for decent prices, we just have to hope we back them.

[nufc123]

3 hours ago, 500bhp said:

We are not short of CMs 

Short of quality