Bruno Guimarães

[lovejoy]

53 minutes ago, TBG said:

So we could be looking at selling Tonali, Bruno and Gordon to Man Utd?

 

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if it's not some grand plan to devalue our club, making it easier to sell so they can then buy Man Utd. 

 

Bet they wont take Hopkinsfraud with them though. 

And Hall, don’t forget Hall

[Turnbull2000]

Line up first game next season...

 

Wissa

 

Barnes Joe Miley (New PL proven midfielder) Elenga

 

Targett Burn Thiaw Tripper

 

Ramsdale

 

Bring it on 

 

 

Edited March 27 by Turnbull2000

[PauloGeordio]

[Shearergol]

Until he joins Man United?

[PauloGeordio]

Soon!

[Dr.Spaceman]

Red and white boots. Disappointing.

[TheBrownBottle]

I’d be beyond shocked if Bruno leaves in the summer - I can’t picture him pushing for a move, and I also can’t see any club making an offer we couldn’t refuse due to his age.  Maybe if he has a great WC that might change, and I don’t doubt his agent is probably an arsehole (they all are - it’s their job to be that) - but I just don’t see it happening at all.

 

Equally I’d be shocked if Tonali is here in September. 

[nufcjmc]

7 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’d be beyond shocked if Bruno leaves in the summer - I can’t picture him pushing for a move, and I also can’t see any club making an offer we couldn’t refuse due to his age.  Maybe if he has a great WC that might change, and I don’t doubt his agent is probably an arsehole (they all are - it’s their job to be that) - but I just don’t see it happening at all.

 

Equally I’d be shocked if Tonali is here in September. 

Agreed unless he has a desire to go back to Brazil right now I have genuinely been sucked into his being proud to wear the arm band and be an honorary geordie. Now careers are short and he may want a new challenge but just don't see it. 

 

While I can definitely see Tonali away the fee we may demand and he will likely not be in the shop window via the world cup I am not 100% sure he will go. Would he if a offer came in? Probably but hope he understands if he doesn't move he maybe gets in that leadership group and puts his head down for another 12 months. 

 

Still think Tino and possibly Gordon would be just as likely to go and raise funds. 

 

If all 3 go thats a big rebuild with willock, pope, BDB all on final 12 months come the summer on top of who doesnt get renewed. Still also think one of osula, big nick or wissa also goes to try for a new striker solution. 

[nufc123]

We cant sell three key players in one window. Thats madness , and a horrible look.

[nufcjmc]

35 minutes ago, nufc123 said:

We cant sell three key players in one window. Thats madness , and a horrible look.

With a rebuild looming (debatable how much of a rebuild is needed sure) if we fail to get into europe and the loss of revenue that entails I can see a pragmatic approach/world where it allows us to "go again".

 

Certainly wouldn't lobby all 3 to go for that approach and the narrative of a selling club/stepping stone vibe it would give off. 

 

However if the right fee comes in I think the club would listen. With managing an aging squad albeit with good servants but not bringing any fee from them it puts more pressure on selling a high value asset to plug the funding gap. 

 

Hopefully commercial deals will keep the club in the driving seat on demanding/holding out for the fees they want in those instances. 

[nufc123]

1 minute ago, nufcjmc said:

With a rebuild looming (debatable how much of a rebuild is needed sure) if we fail to get into europe and the loss of revenue that entails I can see a pragmatic approach/world where it allows us to "go again".

 

Certainly wouldn't lobby all 3 to go for that approach and the narrative of a selling club/stepping stone vibe it would give off. 

 

However if the right fee comes in I think the club would listen. With managing an aging squad albeit with good servants but not bringing any fee from them it puts more pressure on selling a high value asset to plug the funding gap. 

 

Hopefully commercial deals will keep the club in the driving seat on demanding/holding out for the fees they want in those instances. 

Selling one should be more than enough for a rebuild. I think maybe Tonali and Livra will leave. Thats quite some fees going in. Anything over two big deals out is a bit of a crisis to be fair. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I’m not sure what rebuild really means. Is it more than a normal summer window where you try to add some quality players to your squad? 
 

The first team back 4 and midfield is essentially locked down unless Tino goes. LW similar, Elanga and one other for RW. Biggest questions would be GK and striker I guess, but it’s not massive numbers is it? 

 

 

Edited April 7 by AyeDubbleYoo

[nufcjmc]

1 minute ago, nufc123 said:

Selling one should be more than enough for a rebuild. I think maybe Tonali and Livra will leave. Thats quite some fees going in. Anything over two big deals out is a bit of a crisis to be fair. 

 

Again I agree it 1 wouldn't be a good look and 2 mad to add more to replace on the shopping list which could already be a busy summer however from a cold business prospective of we need to be actually good at selling in order to help drive recruitment. I dont know numbers and I certainly dont understand the new SCR rules coming into affect but the size of rebuild is massive. 

 

come the summer: 

 

• Lascelles end of loan released free 
• Krafth rumour no new deal so released free 
• Trips confirmed gone in the summer so released free 
• Targett end of loan released free
• Ruddy kept on to be training keeper?
• Gillespie kept on again to be training keeper?
• Schar will he get another 12 months?

 

its debatable how much these players would have played had they all been here and fit all season but thats still 5 squad/rotation options to replace but if they all went the only thing they bring in is the savings of their wages. 

 

Final 12 months come the summer (so last chance to sell or accept they could go for nothing) 

 

• BDB
• Willock 
• Pope
• Murphy

So thats 4 players who are all considered first team regulars (maybe less so Willock) the fees your likely to get for these 4 are minor at best possibly 12/15m for Willock if he stays fit and someone is willing to give him a chance (still relatively young)

 

Now if Tonali went for say 85m or Tino went for 70m they both need replacing as first team starters lets say you find someone out there for half that sale value? that might leave 30/40m with about 5/6 players to recruit (I am going to assume most of the Isak money went with the 200m+ spent in the summer). 

 

Obviously alot of what iffery/assumption going on here other things to factor in: 

 

• will any of the two lists get extensions
• will someone not considered likely to go be the one to leave instead 
• will some of the players bought for under 23's be able to fill the gap either as a sellable asset or to step up into the first team squad reducing the numbers we need to buy? 
• if we dont sign ramsdale (please no) we need a keeper if pope is unwilling to be number 2 then we need 2 if we finally release ruddy and gillespie we may need 3 keepers. 

 

 

 

[nufc123]

4 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

 

Again I agree it 1 wouldn't be a good look and 2 mad to add more to replace on the shopping list which could already be a busy summer however from a cold business prospective of we need to be actually good at selling in order to help drive recruitment. I dont know numbers and I certainly dont understand the new SCR rules coming into affect but the size of rebuild is massive. 

 

come the summer: 

 

• Lascelles end of loan released free 
• Krafth rumour no new deal so released free 
• Trips confirmed gone in the summer so released free 
• Targett end of loan released free
• Ruddy kept on to be training keeper?
• Gillespie kept on again to be training keeper?
• Schar will he get another 12 months?

 

its debatable how much these players would have played had they all been here and fit all season but thats still 5 squad/rotation options to replace but if they all went the only thing they bring in is the savings of their wages. 

 

Final 12 months come the summer (so last chance to sell or accept they could go for nothing) 

 

• BDB
• Willock 
• Pope
• Murphy

So thats 4 players who are all considered first team regulars (maybe less so Willock) the fees your likely to get for these 4 are minor at best possibly 12/15m for Willock if he stays fit and someone is willing to give him a chance (still relatively young)

 

Now if Tonali went for say 85m or Tino went for 70m they both need replacing as first team starters lets say you find someone out there for half that sale value? that might leave 30/40m with about 5/6 players to recruit (I am going to assume most of the Isak money went with the 200m+ spent in the summer). 

 

Obviously alot of what iffery/assumption going on here other things to factor in: 

 

• will any of the two lists get extensions
• will someone not considered likely to go be the one to leave instead 
• will some of the players bought for under 23's be able to fill the gap either as a sellable asset or to step up into the first team squad reducing the numbers we need to buy? 
• if we dont sign ramsdale (please no) we need a keeper if pope is unwilling to be number 2 then we need 2 if we finally release ruddy and gillespie we may need 3 keepers. 

 

 

 

I cant be arsed to check the rules for PSR and SCR or whatever. Fed up with it, but its not like if you sell for 10m you only got 10m to spend. PSR will go away now anyway isnt that true? So the three years thing is no more. How that will go for SCR I have no idea. If we cant rebuild the team with a Tonali sale we might aswell just give up..

[nufcjmc]

27 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I’m not sure what rebuild really means. Is it more than a normal summer window where you try to add some quality players to your squad? 
 

The first team back 4 and midfield is essentially locked down unless Tino goes. LW similar, Elanga and one other for RW. Biggest questions would be GK and striker I guess, but it’s not massive numbers is it? 

 

 

 

This does feel like the end of an era sort of season and while I get your point every club loses players, every team usually needs to make fresh signings we have a crop of players who have been getting 1 year extensions for a few seasons now and finally we are at the point (or at least from what it seems to me) less of a strong argument to keep them and kick the can down the road further added to those now on relatively short term deals do we continue to keep them or do we look to try and move them on. 

 

I think it depends on your prospective. 

 

the players I already mentioned in my post are squad fillers (certainly the possible released in the summer list minus Schar) but we have all at times said this season our squad isnt deep enough/the quality outside of the first 11 isnt good enough meaning we need to still replace the outgoing players with someone. 

 

I agree to a point back 4 (question mark Tino) and midfield 3 (question mark Tonali) pick themselves but we do need to factor in they need competition/rotation options we have gotten lucky that BDB/Thiaw/Botman have not been out all together likewise risking trips and hall going again and again due to lack of alternatives has been good fortune/luck not good squad planning. 

 

Also once you had addressed the depth/rotation quality from the end of contract and short contract players you still need to look at this season and say honestly does the first 11 now work? If the answer is yes and the issues have come from the schedule then getting the depth and rotation options is all we need to worry about. 

 

If your answer is no we need to find solutions to RW and striker which seen as no one is likely mad enough to give us our money back on Elanga/wissa/ big Nick etc then we either keep them and try and make it work/keep them and make them the rotation option or sell or loan them at a financial loss. Also look at the number of goals we have conceded, the ability for teams to play through our middle even when our preferred players are on the pitch I am not sure its just as simple as less game time next year it will be fine.  

 

All of these "problems" and likely solutions involve player sales and player recruitment again it needs to be funded somehow hence why a big sale is likely and I for one dont think a second player sale would be out of the question. 

[OoOGazOoO]

22 hours ago, PauloGeordio said:

Soon!

 

Like a new signing.

[1881]

One of the important differences between the current system and SCR is how profits on player sales are accounted for. Easiest to give an example and hopefully this is correct.

 

so a scenario where:

 

player signed for £50m on a five year contract

player sold for £60 million after three years 

 

current system

 

Amount that would count towards FFP for year sale made would be:

£60m minus £20m (ie because still had two years left on contract)

= £40m

 

New  system

 

Amount that would count towards SCR for that year would be:

£60m minus £20m (ie because still had two years left on contract)

=£40m

However the profit made now has to be spread over three years so you would only get:

£13.3 million in the current SCR year and then

 

£13.3 million in the following SCR year and then

£13.3 million in the following SCR year 

 

 

BUT when it is brought in I am thinking  (possibly incorrectly as I have not seen it mentioned anywhere) sales made during the last two seasons will also need to be included therefore, for example, we would get a third of the profit that we made on the Isak sale.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 7 by 1881

[nufcjmc]

Cheers for that 1881 I still dont get it and never will as I dont have a head for numbers at all.

 

Tried googling SCR idiots guide but seems like main difference is costs on recruitment and fees and wages cant be more than 70% or 85% of your revenue and is assessed every year not an aggregate of 3 years (but assume you can still take your transfer fee spread over the max of 5 years so a 50m player is a 10m a year cost plus wages not in one go on the year they signed). 

 

You raise a good point about how they deal with that transition period from one set of rules to another over 2 accounting years hopefully if there is still some profit on the books from the lloyd kelly and isak deal it helps this summer. 

[nufc123]

1 hour ago, 1881 said:

One of the important differences between the current system and SCR is how profits on player sales are accounted for. Easiest to give an example and hopefully this is correct.

 

so a scenario where:

 

player signed for £50m on a five year contract

player sold for £60 million after three years 

 

current system

 

Amount that would count towards FFP for year sale made would be:

£60m minus £20m (ie because still had two years left on contract)

= £40m

 

New  system

 

Amount that would count towards SCR for that year would be:

£60m minus £20m (ie because still had two years left on contract)

=£40m

However the profit made now has to be spread over three years so you would only get:

£13.3 million in the current SCR year and then

 

£13.3 million in the following SCR year and then

£13.3 million in the following SCR year 

 

 

BUT when it is brought in I am thinking  (possibly incorrectly as I have not seen it mentioned anywhere) sales made during the last two seasons will also need to be included therefore, for example, we would get a third of the profit that we made on the Isak sale.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So lets say we sell Tonali and Livra for 150m. Tonali has three years left/Livra two. How much will that generate?

[Fak]

4 minutes ago, nufc123 said:

So lets say we sell Tonali and Livra for 150m. Tonali has three years left/Livra two. How much will that generate?

 

A profit 

[nufc123]

1 minute ago, Fak said:

 

A profit 

Yes but it seems their contract situations will decide how much.

[PauloGeordio]

“A beautiful day in the Geordie land” 🖤🤍

 

 

Edited April 7 by PauloGeordio

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

2 hours ago, nufc123 said:

Yes but it seems their contract situations will decide how much.

Has always been the case given how amortisation works

[The Prophet]

Was thinking earlier how much he's grown into the captaincy. Can't think of many captains we've had that would grab the game by the scruff of the neck and drag us across the line.

[nufcjmc]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

Was thinking earlier how much he's grown into the captaincy. Can't think of many captains we've had that would grab the game by the scruff of the neck and drag us across the line.

He definitely wears his heart on his sleeve and leads by example. He's my favourite player as he "gets it" hurts when we hurt and you can tell it means so much to him despite not being from here. 

 

The change from the player getting carded for what seemed like every 5 mins with a nasty mean streak is now a model pro even when he's had a bad game it's never for the want of trying the arm band just tops it off. 

 

Hes been so badly missed.