Dan Burn

[Heron]

Was our MotM first half. Looked like the one with the most intensity and was everywhere. Shouldn't have been booked and subsequently sent off. For me the second pen was given simply because the first wasn't.

 

Easy to say "should have had Hall there" but tbh our team created jack shit today and 'Rolls Royce' defenders like Botman made bigger mistakes.

[Shearergol]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

Was our MotM first half. Looked like the one with the most intensity and was everywhere. Shouldn't have been booked and subsequently sent off. For me the second pen was given simply because the first wasn't.

 

Easy to say "should have had Hall there" but tbh our team created jack shit today and 'Rolls Royce' defenders like Botman made bigger mistakes.

Why on here are we obsessed with criticising player X as a way to defend player Y? Ruined a fairly balanced post with that last line.

[huss9]

No criticism of Burn today. All on Eddie.

 

Saying that, it wasn't even a penalty never mind a second yellow. 

[Whitley mag]

Should be starting at centre half alongside Thiaw, been absolutely hung out to dry feel sorry for him.

[Heron]

13 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

Why on here are we obsessed with criticising player X as a way to defend player Y? Ruined a fairly balanced post with that last line.

Not at all. Botman was horrific for the final goal. Complete and utter lack of awareness and responsibility.

 

It's fair analysis of the game.

 

 

Edited November 9, 2025 by Heron

[Stifler]

Banned for 2 games isn’t he?

1 for the red card, and 1 for his 5th yellow of the season?

[Stifler]

2 hours ago, Groundhog63 said:

Given Howe obviously didn't think Hall was ready and the only other alternative was Tripps at LB and Krafth at RB then BDB had to carry the can. 

He's, again obviously, a better CB 😂 but not better than Botman.

Krafth has been steady when asked to be fair. You’d much rather have a RB in his natural with a RB playing an inverted role at LB over a 33 year old CB who has lost all of his pace at LB.

[Shearergol]

5 minutes ago, Heron said:

Not at all. Botman was horrific for the final goal. Complete and utter lack of awareness and responsibility.

 

It's fair analysis of the game.

 

 

 

But that doesn’t make Burn’s performance acceptable either, that’s the point I’m making. 

[TRon]

20 minutes ago, Heron said:

Was our MotM first half. Looked like the one with the most intensity and was everywhere. Shouldn't have been booked and subsequently sent off. For me the second pen was given simply because the first wasn't.

 

Easy to say "should have had Hall there" but tbh our team created jack shit today and 'Rolls Royce' defenders like Botman made bigger mistakes.

 

 

The first one should have been given though. You would think after getting booked already then getting away with one for the penalty shout, Howe would have took him off at that stage and thanked the Lord we hadn't been punished. In the end he didn't even get to make the substitution, the decision to take him off was made by the ref. It was awful management. 

[Heron]

5 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

But that doesn’t make Burn’s performance acceptable either, that’s the point I’m making. 

My point is that there will be heavier criticism of Burn than there will be Botman, which is unfair given that Burn is out of position and Botman isn't, and Botman is or should be held at a higher standard because he is a more talented footballer.

 

That is entirely relevant to any discussion around Dan Burn, because he didn't give away a legitimate penalty and even if he had that is on Howe. He was slow not out of position.

 

In defence of Howe, Burn hasn't been exposed very often to that level of threat since covering for Hall. So there was no need to be massively worried about it today specifically. However, I do accept that, that scenario was always going to eventually happen.

 

I will criticise Burn when Burn plays bad, he didn't. He maybe could have had a somewhat harsh penalty against him which wasn't given. That's it.

 

 

Edited November 9, 2025 by Heron

[Heron]

3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

The first one should have been given though. You would think after getting booked already then getting away with one for the penalty shout, Howe would have took him off at that stage and thanked the Lord we hadn't been punished. In the end he didn't even get to make the substitution, the decision to take him off was made by the ref. It was awful management. 

I agree that Howe should have probably taken him off, aye.

[Displayname]

6 minutes ago, Heron said:

My point is that there will be heavier criticism of Burn than there will be Botman, which is unfair given that Burn is out of position and Botman isn't, and Botman is or should be held at a higher standard because he is a more talented footballer.

 

That is entirely relevant to any discussion around Dan Burn, because he didn't give away a legitimate penalty and even if he had that is on Howe. He was slow not out of position.

 

In defence of Howe, Burn hasn't been exposed very often to that level of threat since covering for Hall. So there was no need to be massively worried about it today specifically. However, I do accept that, that scenario was always going to eventually happen.

 

I will criticise Burn when Burn plays bad, he didn't. He maybe could have had a somewhat harsh penalty against him which wasn't given. That's it.

 

 

 

Right..

[Heron]

3 minutes ago, Displayname said:

Right..

Happy to be proven wrong but when has Burn been isolated versus a winger in such a manner this season? He hasn't been.

 

When in past seasons he absolutely was. This is the first goal this season, to my recollection, that has come from such an engagement.

 

 

Edited November 9, 2025 by Heron

[Vinny Green Balls]

We are barely a threat going forward in the run of play with him as fullback. That's hurting us far worst than his defensive capabilities in the position.

 

 

Edited November 9, 2025 by Vinny Green Balls

[Sandrotastico]

34 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Should be starting at centre half alongside Thiaw, been absolutely hung out to dry feel sorry for him.

This! Guys done nowt wrong but try his best out of position - Botman is the better passer, but he's not looked too great at defending. Burn and Thiaw please.

[Shearergol]

39 minutes ago, Heron said:

My point is that there will be heavier criticism of Burn than there will be Botman, which is unfair given that Burn is out of position and Botman isn't, and Botman is or should be held at a higher standard because he is a more talented footballer.

 

That is entirely relevant to any discussion around Dan Burn, because he didn't give away a legitimate penalty and even if he had that is on Howe. He was slow not out of position.

 

In defence of Howe, Burn hasn't been exposed very often to that level of threat since covering for Hall. So there was no need to be massively worried about it today specifically. However, I do accept that, that scenario was always going to eventually happen.

 

I will criticise Burn when Burn plays bad, he didn't. He maybe could have had a somewhat harsh penalty against him which wasn't given. That's it.

 

 

 

They’ve both been criticised today, rightly so. Let’s not pretend that Botman isn’t being slagged off on here.

[TRon]

36 minutes ago, Heron said:

Happy to be proven wrong but when has Burn been isolated versus a winger in such a manner this season? He hasn't been.

 

When in past seasons he absolutely was. This is the first goal this season, to my recollection, that has come from such an engagement.

 

 

 

 

How about last week when Bowen had him on toast?

 

 

[Guest]

Cant criticise him for not being able to play a position he showed over the last 2 years he cant play. Its the old bull in a china shop analogy with him at LB.

 

Move him back to where he fits or dont play him, its really that simple

[Heron]

5 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

How about last week when Bowen had him on toast?

 

 

You mean when Gordon stopped chasing his man back cause he couldn't be fucked? Or other occasions?

 

 

Edited November 9, 2025 by Heron

[TRon]

Just now, Heron said:

You mean when Gordon stopped chasing his man back cause he couldn't be fucked? Or other occasions?

 

 

 

 

Well that's sort of the point. Without help that left side looks really exposed. You can see opposition wide men looking to hit that space because they know he isn't going to be able to match them over the ground. Trips is similar on the other side, but at least he's still a good footballer going forward. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

I don't really want to criticize Burn. I want to see him play in the position that he excels at, like he did at the beginning of the season.

[Heron]

4 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Well that's sort of the point. Without help that left side looks really exposed. You can see opposition wide men looking to hit that space because they know he isn't going to be able to match them over the ground. Trips is similar on the other side, but at least he's still a good footballer going forward. 

We're talking two different things here. Dan Burn is limited going forward. We all know this and this has been demonstrated in recent weeks. However, the discussion was around his defensive play, and to my original point, Burn has not been isolated the same way he was today, previously this season, whilst at left back. I.e. targetted for his lack of pace and beaten resulting in a goal.

 

 

Edited November 9, 2025 by Heron

[TRon]

22 minutes ago, Heron said:

We're talking two different things here. Dan Burn is limited going forward. We all know this and this has been demonstrated in recent weeks. However, the discussion was around his defensive play, and to my original point, Burn has not been isolated the same way he was today, previously this season, whilst at left back. I.e. targetted for his lack of pace and beaten resulting in a goal.

 

 

 

 

 

Well I never really expect much from Burn going forward, so no complaints on that score. But when he's being given the run around defensively by wide men looking to hit the space behind him, then it's a problem. You seem to think he was MotM today which I find just absurd. 

[Heron]

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

Well I never really expect much from Burn going forward, so no complaints on that score. But when he's being given the run around defensively by wide men looking to hit the space behind him, then it's a problem. You seem to think he was MotM today which I find just absurd. 

He was first half. Which is what I wrote.

He was stopping almost everything and was even offering going forward, albeit it wasn't great.

 

Second half he was allowed to be isolated. His positioning was fine but his pace was a problem, for their penalty - which wasn't one. The prior tackle may well have been. He made a mistake the same as Botman did, but Burn is our of position. None of which I haven't already said.

 

Burn wasn't given the run around at all. He made one mistake which resulted in a penalty that wasn't given.

 

 

Edited November 9, 2025 by Heron

[Matt1892]

Burn was fine in the first half, but when he got lucky with what should have been a penalty it was obvious that they would try and isolate him and that he should be substituted.

 

The fact that we didn’t isn’t on him, but on Howe.