Chris_R Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, geordiesteve710 said: Without looking at the data I'd contend that most clubs in the top flight, maybe even top two divisions saw their attendances double between 1990 and 2000. Bloody Keegan!!! Yeah that's kinda my point. Everyone, even Man U, had shit attendances in the 80s. Then when the PL started and football rebooted and became fashionable again, everyone's attendances jumped. Sure, that coincided with us having a good run, but looking at every single other club we'd have seen a decent boost anyway. Edited May 25, 2023 by Chris_R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancrate1892 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 8 hours ago, TK-421 said: Moral compass, FFS. From the supporters of the club that supported and still played a fiddler. To be fair it was/is a normal practice in Sunderland, it was only when a Newcastle court room saw otherwise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancrate1892 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Yeah that's kinda my point. Everyone, even Man U, had shit attendances in the 80s. Then when the PL started and football rebooted and became fashionable again, everyone's attendances jumped. Sure, that coincided with us having a good run, but looking at every single other club we have seen a decent boost anyway. Think it also coincided with the boom of the premier league where stadia become much safer where women and kids could go. Also the first proper meaningful rise against racism in football. As you say everyone's attendances saw the average increase Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesteve710 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Yeah that's kinda my point. Everyone, even Man U, had shit attendances in the 80s. Then when the PL started and football rebooted and became fashionable again, everyone's attendances jumped. Sure, that coincided with us having a good run, but looking at every single other club we'd have seen a decent boost anyway. On the Premier League's first day in 1992 we had the biggest crowd in the country iirc even though we were 2nd division* at the time. Arsenal, Everton and Leeds were at home that day. Re: the bit in bold: Aye, there were a while range of factors that I'd probably put together under the umbrella of "gentrification of football." Started with Italia 90, then the PL, Fantasy football Euro 96, the likes of Chris Evans and Zoe Ball, all made football more mainstream in the national conscience. *sorry but I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before call the second tier of English football "Division 1." Edited May 25, 2023 by geordiesteve710 Nee strikethrough function Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 On 24/05/2023 at 14:14, KDT said: https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/the-championship.1608079/ Convincing themselves that they don't really want to be in the Premier League anyway now. They are the very dictionary definition of 'The Fox and the Grapes' https://read.gov/aesop/005.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 2 hours ago, geordiesteve710 said: On the Premier League's first day in 1992 we had the biggest crowd in the country iirc even though we were 2nd division* at the time. Arsenal, Everton and Leeds were at home that day. Re: the bit in bold: Aye, there were a while range of factors that I'd probably put together under the umbrella of "gentrification of football." Started with Italia 90, then the PL, Fantasy football Euro 96, the likes of Chris Evans and Zoe Ball, all made football more mainstream in the national conscience. That's correct (researched it for something on the Mag a while back). And the next home game ("game day 3") against West Ham too (Everton got 18,118). Probably for a few others too - Grimsby for sure, 10,000 more than were at Man City's game in the top-flight, and Grimsby was maxed out (could have been more). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Clarke is a weird player. Sometimes you watch him and he looks like a PL player. Good touch, very technical, then others he makes tons of bad decisions. He’s like a B-Tech grealish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Just now, Sempiternal said: Clarke is a weird player. Sometimes you watch him and he looks like a PL player. Good touch, very technical, then others he makes tons of bad decisions. He’s like a B-Tech grealish. He's young and good coaching may help that. Don't know what the price is but could be worth it for a Palace or Bournemouth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 1 minute ago, madras said: He's young and good coaching may help that. Don't know what the price is but could be worth it for a Palace or Bournemouth Yeah I like watching him, very elegant footballer, be interested to see how he gets on. Had a behind the scenes fallout at Spurs from what I remember but seems to have been fine at Sunderland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Just now, Sempiternal said: Yeah I like watching him, very elegant footballer, be interested to see how he gets on. Had a behind the scenes fallout at Spurs from what I remember but seems to have been fine at Sunderland Sunderland were, from the games I saw on the box, the best footballing team in that division last season but got bullied in both boxes and like Luton showed, other teams knew they could do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, madras said: Sunderland were, from the games I saw on the box, the best footballing team in that division last season but got bullied in both boxes and like Luton showed, other teams knew they could do that. Yeah they had too many technical players, they looked like kids against Luton. Clarke would prob do well in a team like palace tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 4 hours ago, madras said: Sunderland were, from the games I saw on the box, the best footballing team in that division last season but got bullied in both boxes and like Luton showed, other teams knew they could do that. You’re not wrong. They could play good stuff on the counter, but they had a wafer thin squad and very little physicality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 17 hours ago, geordiesteve710 said: Without looking at the data I'd contend that most clubs in the top flight, maybe even top two divisions saw their attendances double between 1990 and 2000. Bloody Keegan!!! The data shows the average top flight attendance in 1990 was 20,757. Last season it was 40,416. The Keegan effect! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SteV Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, 54 said: Wonder how much he’s fleeced them for? The Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Probably good news for them, getting rid of Donald seems positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fountain Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Chris_R said: Probably good news for them, getting rid of Donald seems positive. They adored him when he first went there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Chris_R said: Probably good news for them, getting rid of Donald seems positive. The man was elite in the transfer market …… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfella Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 45 minutes ago, The Fountain said: They adored him when he first went there. He bought them pints in the Colliery Tavern and wore a FTM badge, what more could they want? ...or was that the previous owner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, The Fountain said: They adored him when he first went there. Aye, I remember we all looked at it and thought it was dodgy and they all defended him saying he had the backing etc. It sharp changed when they never went up. Edited May 27, 2023 by Stifler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianovthetoon Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Farewell sweet prince Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, The Fountain said: They adored him when he first went there. Sure. But when Ashley was downing pints in the away end, sacked Allardyce and brought Keegan back, we didn't exactly hate him either. Sometimes it takes a while. Of course Donald always looked like a chancer from the outside, but from the inside you want to give the owner a chance, you want them to succeed because that's what's best for the club and for you. Edited May 27, 2023 by Chris_R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Satori remains a mysterious figure though. Donald was sussed quite quickly by their fans, but it’s impossible to gauge Satori’s influence and intention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Viana said: Satori remains a mysterious figure though. Donald was sussed quite quickly by their fans, but it’s impossible to gauge Satori’s influence and intention. Was he? How long was it after he bought the club, that they turned up en masse to change the seats free of charge? Seem to recall that ‘The Don’ was universally admired for a substantial time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Yeah I don’t remember that being the case at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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