sunderland

[Fezzle]

12 minutes ago, Drewboy74 said:

Aye, I'm kind of where you are. I'm not over the moon for them like  just maybe a nod of the tiniest bit of appreciation. But aye, fuck them all and I'm  absolutely dreading the derbies next season.

Yeah over the moon for a handful at best🤣 some are absolutely insufferable 

[Stifler]

3 hours ago, Andy said:

Not been my experience like. In fact, I reckon I've heard more about football from my Sunderland supporting mates over the last 4 or 5 months than I had in the previous decade combined. 

We have a plant in Sunderland as well as North Tyneside with our companies HQ in Team Valley (after recently moving from Prudhoe). So a few of them are Sunderland fans.

One of them you wouldn’t know was a football when they were in League One, as soon as they got promoted he got one of those mini scarfs that stick to the back window of cars to stick on the front of his windscreen of his wagon. When told that you were not allowed to have anything like that on your window or those novelty number plates etc, he conveniently got himself a Sunderland woolly hat and put that in the window instead.

No Newcastle fan in the works group chat has ever brought up football, even when we beat them in the derby. Guess who’s all over the group chat now and having a pop at us?

[Harry 209]

Bet you Ronaldinho is thrilled to be playing in a 9.9/10ths empty ground on Wearside tonight. Lol.

[The Fountain]

23 hours ago, Moose said:

 

Yep, anyone saying that they'll suffer from 2nd season syndrome or that Europe will kill them is just huffing copium. It's far more likely that they establish themselves as a decent top half team amongst the other spreadsheet shaggers like Brighton and Brentford.

 

I'm concerned about next season tbh, look at the fucking state of the teams in the EL semis the last 2 years and look at the teams who will qualify next year. Who would you trust to stop them winning the bloody thing?

Is second season syndrome really a thing?

I'll have to do a bit research later 

[Pablo123]

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

We have a plant in Sunderland as well as North Tyneside with our companies HQ in Team Valley (after recently moving from Prudhoe). So a few of them are Sunderland fans.

One of them you wouldn’t know was a football when they were in League One, as soon as they got promoted he got one of those mini scarfs that stick to the back window of cars to stick on the front of his windscreen of his wagon. When told that you were not allowed to have anything like that on your window or those novelty number plates etc, he conveniently got himself a Sunderland woolly hat and put that in the window instead.

No Newcastle fan in the works group chat has ever brought up football, even when we beat them in the derby. Guess who’s all over the group chat now and having a pop at us?

Derek from accounts?

[NUFC91]

One thing I'll say which pains me but them players don't half play for the shirt, they got battered by Forest but didn't shy away and improved for their remaining games.

[The Fountain]

23 hours ago, Alreetworked said:

Aye, I loved watching us go 14 games without a win under Bruce, sat in the stands smirking to myself about how no one else around me knew that I'm not actually a Newcastle fan 

 

 

 

Did Sunderland fans laugh at us during that time?

They'd have been daft dickheads if they did as they were in the 3rd Div.

[Chicken Dancer]

They’ll inevitably have a drop off given their xG and expected points on top of navigating a pretty brutal schedule, but they’ll not be in real danger of relegation imo. Staying up year one was the ticket and they’ve done it handsomely. 
 

It’s our turn to take shit sadly. I could live with it being once a decade. 

[Optimistic Nut]

I know they're trying to take the piss, but I remember their, "for Premier League football come to Sunderland" one when we got relegated. That was the last time we saw them for 8 years. 

[Moose]

35 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

I know they're trying to take the piss, but I remember their, "for Premier League football come to Sunderland" one when we got relegated. That was the last time we saw them for 8 years. 

 

The sign says Newcastle Airport instead of Ponteland and 'FTM' hasn't been shoehorned into it about 20 times, that would suggest that this sign is genuine and not a mackem on the wind up.

 

You know what, have at it mackems, we deserve to be ridiculed after the season we've both had. What is a football rivalry if not schadenfreude and piss taking?!

[Decky]

2/1 to go down next season for a reason but people think they'll kick on. Funny old game. Let's see what happens.

[Decky]

1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said:

I know they're trying to take the piss, but I remember their, "for Premier League football come to Sunderland" one when we got relegated. That was the last time we saw them for 8 years. 

 

They'll just conveniently ignore us being in the Champions League twice in the last 3 years.  Remember Shola Ameobi has more appearances in Europe than their club. 

[huss9]

christ, we're a sensitive bunch.

of course they're gonna rip the piss.

take yer medicine.

 

anyway, thanks Eddie.

 

 

Edited May 25 by huss9

[El Prontonise]

1 minute ago, huss9 said:

christ, we're a sensitive bunch.

of course they're gonna rip the piss.

take yer medicine.

 

anyway, thanks Eddie.

 

 

 

 

100% this.

[Chicken Dancer]

1 hour ago, Decky said:

 

They'll just conveniently ignore us being in the Champions League twice in the last 3 years.  Remember Shola Ameobi has more appearances in Europe than their club. 

To be fair they’re lucky that the 3 that came up don’t stand much of a chance if we’re being honest. 
 

They’ll not be in any real danger of going down I reckon. Almost certainly see a drop off but they’d all take 17th if they get to the knockouts and beat us again. The last 12 months have been absolute dreamland for them, make no bones about it. 

[Rafalove]

17 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

 

100% this.

 They’ve made absolute tits off themselves at times when we’ve had the upper hand, we should try not to follow in their footsteps now the shoe is on the other foot. Take it in the chin and move on.

[Stifler]

4 hours ago, The Fountain said:

Is second season syndrome really a thing?

I'll have to do a bit research later 

Yeah.

A lot of teams if they survived went down the following season. The reason being that the novelty and the siege mentality went a bit. The crowd had already seen the big teams play and didn’t turn up as much, both literally and vocally.

 

For example when Sheffield United last came up they finished 9th, 1 point ahead of Sunderland have, but went down the following season finishing bottom with only 24 points.

To a lesser extent Leeds when they came up the first time around finished 9th on 59 points. The following season they only survived with a final day win.

 

I also don’t get this argument that they will kick on. Their owner, although his family is wealthy, isn’t that wealthy himself, having access to about £1bn, with funds invested in other projects as well. We have also seen how even if you do have the funds, you can’t access them.

At the very best they will be shopping in the same market as the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford, and Brighton, with the aim of selling players on like them. All 3 of those clubs can claim to be more established Premier League clubs, with both Bournemouth and Brighton also being able to offer some format of European football.

There are already rumours about a few of their key players leaving despite European football.

Every club wants to kick on, but doing it is hard. Let’s look at Crystal Palace who won a trophy last season, still had to sell a couple of key players who were in demand, have got to a European final, but their league form is still stagnant, and they once again will sell key players in the summer with their manager leaving because they can’t match his ambition.

[Danh1]

Talking about second season syndrome is pure copium as things stand. To me it seems like they have an ownership wanting to progress and a decent DOF in place.

 

The three coming up look to be some of the weakest for some time as well imo. 
 

They’ll be fine sadly. 

[Decky]

12 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Talking about second season syndrome is pure copium as things stand. To me it seems like they have an ownership wanting to progress and a decent DOF in place.

 

The three coming up look to be some of the weakest for some time as well imo. 
 

They’ll be fine sadly. 

 

A lot of people had Sunderland rock bottom with their predictions last summer.  I bet you no one had West Ham in there. Fuck me Spurs nearly went down.  We've no idea how the season will play out, nothings guaranteed.

 

 

Edited May 25 by Decky

[Stifler]

31 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Talking about second season syndrome is pure copium as things stand. To me it seems like they have an ownership wanting to progress and a decent DOF in place.

 

The three coming up look to be some of the weakest for some time as well imo. 
 

They’ll be fine sadly. 

Second season syndrome is a thing though.

I’m not saying they will go down, like you I think there are weaker teams coming up who will go down, but I still think they will have a massive drop off, especially with having play European football.

[Viana]

9 hours ago, The Fountain said:

Is second season syndrome really a thing?

I'll have to do a bit research later 

There's every chance they avoid second season syndrome; their recruitment was good last year and it seems they have a very clear idea of the type of player they want to sign. If I'm playing devil's advocate, however, they went on a pretty wretched run from January until mid-March.

 

A lot of their early success this season was built on physicality and winning second balls as well as letting the opposition have the ball. Even yesterday, Chelsea dominated the ball but a silly red card and an own goal has them losing 2-1. You can argue it's Sunderland forcing mistakes, but if they're the ones with the ball the chance of mistakes increases. If those intensity levels also drop (partially due to the Europa League campaign) things might start to shift. 

 

Momentum is one of the hardest things to maintain in football. A bad summer window, a few more injuries after games on Thursday and Sunday, and they will start to be tested. We saw it first hand with ourselves. 

[hithere]

3 hours ago, Viana said:

There's every chance they avoid second season syndrome; their recruitment was good last year and it seems they have a very clear idea of the type of player they want to sign. If I'm playing devil's advocate, however, they went on a pretty wretched run from January until mid-March.

 

A lot of their early success this season was built on physicality and winning second balls as well as letting the opposition have the ball. Even yesterday, Chelsea dominated the ball but a silly red card and an own goal has them losing 2-1. You can argue it's Sunderland forcing mistakes, but if they're the ones with the ball the chance of mistakes increases. If those intensity levels also drop (partially due to the Europa League campaign) things might start to shift. 

 

Momentum is one of the hardest things to maintain in football. A bad summer window, a few more injuries after games on Thursday and Sunday, and they will start to be tested. We saw it first hand with ourselves. 

You make some fair points bar the Chelsea game. Possession was 44% v 56%, they hardly dominated the ball, in fact a lot of them looked like they didn’t want to be there. We were by far the better side up until the red card as well. 

[UncleBingo]

11 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

I know they're trying to take the piss, but I remember their, "for Premier League football come to Sunderland" one when we got relegated. That was the last time we saw them for 8 years. 

Let them have their moment in the sun, we all know how it usually pans out.

 

Anyhoo, 60 year old men highlighting their first ever game in Yewrup, isn't quite the flex they think it is.

[ramirez]

Not sure if it’s been said as missed the last few pages but them doing so well has made our failure more stark. If they hadn’t came up it would still have been a hugely disappointing season but the difference between coming 8th and 12th wouldn’t have been so galling. Hopefully we get them after a trip to Eastern Europe etc and get some revenge in the derbies next season, but more importantly finish in the European places and hopefully have a good domestic cup run. It’s going to be another congested season really with Man City an unknown quantity after pep, probably still strong, us spurs and Chelsea not in Europe. I’d expect Liverpool to improve and man United to regress a bit. Sunderland will be fine I think too, but maybe struggle to emulate this season. No reason why they can’t go deep in the Europa sadly.

[SAFC L]

5 hours ago, Viana said:

There's every chance they avoid second season syndrome; their recruitment was good last year and it seems they have a very clear idea of the type of player they want to sign. If I'm playing devil's advocate, however, they went on a pretty wretched run from January until mid-March.

 

A lot of their early success this season was built on physicality and winning second balls as well as letting the opposition have the ball. Even yesterday, Chelsea dominated the ball but a silly red card and an own goal has them losing 2-1. You can argue it's Sunderland forcing mistakes, but if they're the ones with the ball the chance of mistakes increases. If those intensity levels also drop (partially due to the Europa League campaign) things might start to shift. 

 

Momentum is one of the hardest things to maintain in football. A bad summer window, a few more injuries after games on Thursday and Sunday, and they will start to be tested. We saw it first hand with ourselves. 

They didn’t really dominate the ball as such. They were constantly passing it around the back mainly and we let them do it.

 

Even taking possession out of the equation and looking at shots on goal. It’s 21 shots to us and 8 shots to them - the majority of those shots actually coming before the red card too I believe.

 

I also guess you could argue the extra workload and injuries etc is levelled off with the fact there’s no AFCON this year, so we won’t be losing 8 players or so.