Alexander Isak - International C*nt

[TRC]

4 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

Fortunately Howe seems fairly good at choosing players.

Shame his nephew isn’t 

[Shearergol]

Just now, TRC said:

Shame his nephew isn’t 

You not like our signings so far then?

[Fak]

1 minute ago, TRC said:

Shame his nephew isn’t 

 

Does he choose them or just try complete the deals?

[Kanj]

2 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

Does he choose them or just try complete the deals?

 

he's actually a scout, highly thought of for talent id - came up under Richard Hughes at Bournemouth and believe Ashworth was the one who really took a shining to him here. 

[Cf]

7 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

Fortunately Howe seems fairly good at choosing players.

 

Sure. 

 

But I think this notion of selling your best players and reinvesting that money in other players and somehow being better for it is overall a bit of a myth.

 

There'll be the odd occasion where it's the right move, but that would usually be because someone is overpaying for whatever reason. And even then there's no guarantees. 

[TRC]

2 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

You not like our signings so far then?

I think it’s too early to say, I’m just annoyed like most with our Wilson replacement process.

 

Elanga is a solid signing but Thiaw and Ramsey could be flops or great at this point.

[Shearergol]

2 minutes ago, Cf said:

 

Sure. 

 

But I think this notion of selling your best players and reinvesting that money in other players and somehow being better for it is overall a bit of a myth.

 

There'll be the odd occasion where it's the right move, but that would usually be because someone is overpaying for whatever reason. And even then there's no guarantees. 

Due to PSR. Without PSR I agree with you. We can’t afford to do it the other way.

[Shadow Puppets]

Just now, TRC said:

I think it’s too early to say, I’m just annoyed like most with our Wilson replacement process.

 

Elanga is a solid signing but Thiaw and Ramsey could be flops or great at this point.

The Wilson replacement has quite clearly been affected by the Isak situation. Every man and his dog know well potentially have a lot of money to spend so are asking ridiculous fees.

[TRon]

Just now, TRC said:

I think it’s too early to say, I’m just annoyed like most with our Wilson replacement process.

 

Elanga is a solid signing but Thiaw and Ramsey could be flops or great at this point.

 

 

Ramsey already looks worth more than the money we paid, injuries notwithstanding. Elanga I am more than happy with, and Thiaw we tracked for over a year so I would be surprised if he flops. That would definitely put a question mark over whoever has been following his career. 

[Cf]

3 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

Due to PSR. Without PSR I agree with you. We can’t afford to do it the other way.

 

I don't really get why PSR matters here, apart from it being utter bullshit. 

 

Selling your best player for let's say £150m and replacing with two players who aren't as good for the same amount leaves you in a worse position PSR or no PSR. 

[TRC]

5 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

The Wilson replacement has quite clearly been affected by the Isak situation. Every man and his dog know well potentially have a lot of money to spend so are asking ridiculous fees.

Either way Eddie said he wanted someone in by preseason and Isak bailed on us a few weeks into preseason.

[TRC]

I feel there must be a mutually beneficial loan for us. We loan someone Isak and they give us their striker, we get a striker and they get an upgrade most likely.

 

 

[Crimson Cardigan]

5 minutes ago, TRC said:

Either way Eddie said he wanted someone in by preseason and Isak bailed on us a few weeks into preseason.

To be fair Delap turned us down to not play football at Chelsea, it’s hard to account for that level of bone headed stupidity 

[Hudson]

5 minutes ago, Cf said:

 

I don't really get why PSR matters here, apart from it being utter bullshit. 

 

Selling your best player for let's say £150m and replacing with two players who aren't as good for the same amount leaves you in a worse position PSR or no PSR. 

So how's that his fault, where being bent over by Isak and selling Clubs. 

 

We have tried to sign how many forwards this window ?

[Shearergol]

7 minutes ago, Cf said:

 

I don't really get why PSR matters here, apart from it being utter bullshit. 

 

Selling your best player for let's say £150m and replacing with two players who aren't as good for the same amount leaves you in a worse position PSR or no PSR. 

Because sometimes your £150m rated players want paying more and want to play with better players. Of course it matters here. 

[Hudson]

5 minutes ago, TRC said:

I feel there must be a mutually beneficial loan for us. We loan someone Isak and they give us their striker, we get a striker and they get an upgrade most likely.

 

 

Isak only wants Liverpool.

[TRC]

2 minutes ago, Hudson said:

Isak only wants Liverpool.

Maybe we should just sell them Isak, he does not improve them as much as the fee would they need to spend the money else where. Let them have a shit defence for a year

[lovejoy]

17 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

The Wilson replacement has quite clearly been affected by the Isak situation. Every man and his dog know well potentially have a lot of money to spend so are asking ridiculous fees.

This.

 

the Isak situation has absolutely killed us in terms of recruiting a centre forward.

[Cf]

3 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

Because sometimes your £150m rated players want paying more and want to play with better players. Of course it matters here. 

 

So we should be paying our £150m players more. 

 

If we are in a position where we have multiple of them then we are fighting for titles and CLs and then PSR starts to sort itself out. 

 

If our best players want to play with other best players how does selling our best players help with that?

[Shearergol]

Just now, Cf said:

 

So we should be paying our £150m players more. 

 

If we are in a position where we have multiple of them then we are fighting for titles and CLs and then PSR starts to sort itself out. 

 

If our best players want to play with other best players how does selling our best players help with that?

Wait, what? Have you missed the part where we can’t actually pay them more? Or are you saying we should just take the risk?

 

we’re absolutely not at the stage where we can just buy players valued higher than the ones we have. PSR is the reason. 
 

Are you essentially saying that the solution to the Isak issue is to buy someone who is better than him? Haaland available?

[Cf]

1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

Wait, what? Have you missed the part where we can’t actually pay them more? Or are you saying we should just take the risk?

 

we’re absolutely not at the stage where we can just buy players valued higher than the ones we have. PSR is the reason. 
 

Are you essentially saying that the solution to the Isak issue is to buy someone who is better than him? Haaland available?

 

We might be crossed wires here. 

 

I'm not suggesting to buy £150m players. I'm saying if we end up with £150m players we should not be selling them. And we should be paying them as close as we can within the bullshit constraints to the going rate. 

 

I read it as you were suggesting the way to grow was to sell the £150m players and replace with other players who might one day themselves become £150m players. I'm just saying there's a risk in this, and if you do it really well your ceiling is probably fighting it out for the Europa spots every now and then. 

 

Obviously something has gone wrong at the board/negotiation level in this case. And fuck him because of how he's gone about it but in an ideal world Isak would be on a new contract getting paid what he should be going into this season. 

[alexf]

When Howe said something like....

"I've been giving all my energy to the players that want to play for Newcastle"

 

it was a telling slip of the mask for me despite his calm polite demeanor. 

 

I think he's done with Isak and would love to call out his despicable behaviour for what it is. But he's too professional for that and until he's officially gone he is being as diplomatic as he can. 

[Matt1892]

I can see a face saving exercise where Liverpool give us what we want for Isak and we spend a fortune on someone like Curtis Jones.

[Moose]

1 minute ago, alexf said:

When Howe said something like....

"I've been giving all my energy to the players that want to play for Newcastle"

 

it was a telling slip of the mask for me despite his calm polite demeanor. 

 

I think he's done with Isak and would love to call out his despicable behaviour for what it is. But he's too professional for that and until he's officially gone he is being as diplomatic as he can. 

 

Yeah, it was a very telling and barbed comment. I also think he wants this scumbag to fuck off but it's escalated way beyond his pay grade now and he has to find a way to reintegrate him should it come to that.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

3 minutes ago, Cf said:

 

We might be crossed wires here. 

 

I'm not suggesting to buy £150m players. I'm saying if we end up with £150m players we should not be selling them. And we should be paying them as close as we can within the bullshit constraints to the going rate. 

 

I read it as you were suggesting the way to grow was to sell the £150m players and replace with other players who might one day themselves become £150m players. I'm just saying there's a risk in this, and if you do it really well your ceiling is probably fighting it out for the Europa spots every now and then. 

 

Obviously something has gone wrong at the board/negotiation level in this case. And fuck him because of how he's gone about it but in an ideal world Isak would be on a new contract getting paid what he should be going into this season. 

 

There's also an argument that as a club we aren't ready to have a £150m player.

 

As much as it is of course an asset to have one of the world's best it can also be a distraction and negative.

 

It's a real delicate balancing act to get it right but in this case it unfortunately seems like the £150m ego and Scouse tapping up cunts have taken him away from the club.