Alexander Isak - International C*nt

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, Adam P said:

 

We werent planning for a PSR injection, our strategy was to keep him as we evaluated the probability of him turning into the world's biggest cunt as quite small. Its also a rolling 3 year framework, so maybe the targets evaluated as available this window were felt to likely be surpassed by new targets in the coming windows. We are a CM / LB light but the cost / risk / reward of filling those spots last minute must have been tough to evaluate.

Well then they've fucked it in it.

[Adam P]

36 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

They did, they absolutely schooled us. But if you believe otherwise it's all good. 

 

Walk us throught the summer from the moment you realise that Isak is a cunt (Korea trip) to now and explain the alternative handling which isnt 'getting schooled'? Genuinely interested, i have put the 4 alternatives, as i saw them strategically, down on here and the only scenario where we dont, is sell early in a bidding war. I think. 

[Adam P]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Well then they've fucked it in it.

 

Bit harsh.

[The College Dropout]

Just now, Adam P said:

 

Walk us throught the summer from the moment you realise that Isak is a cunt (Korea trip) to now and explain the alternative handling which isnt 'getting schooled'? Genuinely interested, i have put the 4 alternatives, as i saw them strategically, down on here and the only scenario where we dont, is sell early in a bidding war. I think. 

The failure starts from hiring Mitchell and then not getting a new contract signed. Isak first let his dissatisfaction known before the season ended it seems. It doesn't start in pre-season.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Adam P said:

 

Walk us throught the summer from the moment you realise that Isak is a cunt (Korea trip) to now and explain the alternative handling which isnt 'getting schooled'? Genuinely interested, i have put the 4 alternatives, as i saw them strategically, down on here and the only scenario where we dont, is sell early in a bidding war. I think. 

It's simple. We do not sell to them under ant circumstances. I've broken down my approach previously but it's as simple as that. 

 

I'm not selling any player who's been tapped up and acting like a child. I sell players in two scenarios. 

 

1, a win win. Club wins player wins. 

2, club wins. 

 

No other such scenarios would enter my thoughts. 

[Guest]

You should do yourselves a favour and watch his official interview. I have never seen a more detached interview, lacking any kind of genuine happiness and personality. I guess the last we should know as he never really showed that with us either.

 

When he is asked why he chose Liverpool, all it was as someone else said was generalised things that could be said about any top team. No specific mention to anything about Liverpool history or players. You could just sense all he was thinking was "for the money".

 

Contrast that interview with the Wissa one. He is genuinely happy, talks about specific things and players from the past, and with his personality I just think he will fit so much better in and make the team even better than with the rat in it. Even if he is not as good at their best. That said I think we will see much more consistency from Wissa.

 

Also, the lack of any kind of mention from Isak or the Liverpool interviewer about his old team, even if it's just teammates or Eddie, what he achieved with us, etc. is actually stunning. Is says a lot about both him and Liverpool. Even Wissa was happy to talk about Brentford and all the people and things he appreciated, despite how it ended. He knew how to separate the board from the day to day football people and was happy to talk about, and we were happy to give Brentford some credit.

 

He and Liverpool fit together and watching the two interviews has made me feel so much better about it all. I really feel we are much better off than they are after all this.

 

 

Edited September 2, 2025 by Marxen the Mag

[Kanj]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

The failure starts from hiring Mitchell and then not getting a new contract signed. Isak first let his dissatisfaction known before the season ended it seems. It doesn't start in pre-season.

mate I’m very certain Isak does this in every scenario apart from the one we win the league last season. I at first thought this was money but no, he was always leaving this summer even if we paid him 300k a week this last season. 

 

 

Edited September 2, 2025 by Kanj

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Adam P said:

 

Bit harsh.

No it's not. We have 25/26 games in 17 weeks or so. And the squad is 1 or 2 light. What use is all that money? This period cost Villa their CL place last season.

[Menace]

I don't buy this "broken promises" shite, he was looking for any excuse to fuck off, he will do the same in a few years.

 

 

Edited September 2, 2025 by Menace

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, Menace said:

I don't buy this "broken promises" shite, he was using for any excuse to fuck off, he will do the same in a few years.

 

I think this will be his one big move TBH, probably why everyone in his camp was so desperate to make it happen. 

[Robster]

4 minutes ago, Marxen the Mag said:

You should do yourselves a favour and watch his official interview.

I'll pass on that one thanks

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 minutes ago, Marxen the Mag said:

You should do yourselves a favour and watch his official interview. I have never seen a more detached interview, lacking any kind of genuine happiness and personality. I guess the last we should know as he never really showed that with us either.

 

When he is asked why he chose Liverpool, all it was as someone else said was generalised things that could be said about any top team. No specific mention to anything about Liverpool history or players. You could just sense all he was thinking was "for the money".

 

Contrast that interview with the Wissa one. He is genuinely happy, talks about specific things and players from the past, and with his personality I just think he will fit so much better in and make the team even better than with the rat in it. Even if he is not as good at their best. That said I think we will see much more consistency from Wissa.

 

Also, the lack of any kind of mention from Isak or the Liverpool interviewer about his old team, even if it's just teammates or Eddie, what he achieved with us, etc. is actually stunning. Is says a lot about both him and Liverpool. Even Wissa was happy to talk about Brentford and all the people and things he appreciated, despite how it ended. He knew how to separate the board from the day to day football people and was happy to talk about, and we were happy to give Brentford some credit.

 

He and Liverpool fit together and watching the two interviews has made me feel so much better about it all. I really feel we are much better off than they are after all this.

 

 

Watching the Wissa interview after the Isak one was crazy really. We went out of the way to allow him to thank Brentford, he was smiling and laughing, genuinely beaming to be here. Isak was quiet, they completely avoided any mention of Newcastle or the fact he'd just been on strike.

 

Guess that's the depressing truth of life as a football once you get to the financial road that Isak has decided to go down. It's more like transferring an asset between two companies and really shouldn't be expected to have an emotional component. 

[Adam P]

4 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

It's simple. We do not sell to them under ant circumstances. I've broken down my approach previously but it's as simple as that. 

 

I'm not selling any player who's been tapped up and acting like a child. I sell players in two scenarios. 

 

1, a win win. Club wins player wins. 

2, club wins. 

 

No other such scenarios would enter my thoughts. 

 

That was the club's strategy, Jamie and Yasir re-arranged their lives to implement one final tactic for that strategy. It failed as we had not antiipated the extent of his cuntishness. 

 

Your strategy, with Isak in the reserves / not playing (he insisted at that meeting he would sit it out till January), would have left us without Wissa. 

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, Marxen the Mag said:

You should do yourselves a favour and watch his official interview. I have never seen a more detached interview, lacking any kind of genuine happiness and personality. I guess the last we should know as he never really showed that with us either.

 

When he is asked why he chose Liverpool, all it was as someone else said was generalised things that could be said about any top team. No specific mention to anything about Liverpool history or players. You could just sense all he was thinking was "for the money".

 

Contrast that interview with the Wissa one. He is genuinely happy, talks about specific things and players from the past, and with his personality I just think he will fit so much better in and make the team even better than with the rat in it. Even if he is not as good at their best. That said I think we will see much more consistency from Wissa.

 

Also, the lack of any kind of mention from Isak or the Liverpool interviewer about his old team, even if it's just teammates or Eddie, what he achieved with us, etc. is actually stunning. Is says a lot about both him and Liverpool. Even Wissa was happy to talk about Brentford and all the people and things he appreciated, despite how it ended. He knew how to separate the board from the day to day football people and was happy to talk about, and we were happy to give Brentford some credit.

 

He and Liverpool fit together and watching the two interview has made me feel so much better about it all. I really feel we are much better off than they are after all this.

 

 

 

 

 

If we are honest he was always like that. I've said plenty of times in this thread that he's a cold detached type, and that probably shows in his clinical finishing. I've never felt he's bought in 100% in the same way others do, it's not a flaw, it's just his personality. Liverpool are just another club to him, same as we were. 

 

It didn't make me admire him any less, he's one of the best strikers I've seen in our shirt. But he's gone now, so would rather see him break a leg than lift silverware at Liverpool, partly because of the way he did it, and partly because it's THEM. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, Adam P said:

 

That was the club's strategy, Jamie and Yasir re-arranged their lives to implement one final tactic for that strategy. It failed as we had not antiipated the extent of his cuntishness. 

 

Your strategy, with Isak in the reserves / not playing (he insisted at that meeting he would sit it out till January), would have left us without Wissa. 

No, it wasn't the club strategy the club sold him. I wouldn't sell for Liverpool under any circumstance in this window. He could have told me he wanted to fuck my dead mother I'd just laugh in his face. 

 

This isn't about money, this is about laying down your marker for everyone to see and we folded at the last minute. Again, you can be fine with that and think it was the right thing to do. That's alright with me but personally it's not something I would ever do.

 

Nothing would have left us without anything the two things aren't linked. Psr is a 3 year cycle we can buy wissa and be fine.  

[madras]

This could be one of those situations where what you say you'd do may well be different to what you'd actually do facing that situation for real.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

 

If we are honest he was always like that. I've said plenty of times in this thread that he's a cold detached type, and that probably shows in his clinical finishing. I've never felt he's bought in 100% in the same way others do, it's not a flaw, it's just his personality. Liverpool are just another club to him, same as we were. 

 

It didn't make me admire him any less, he's one of the best strikers I've seen in our shirt. But he's gone now, so would rather see him break a leg than lift silverware at Liverpool, partly because of the way he did it, and partly because it's THEM. 

 

I know what you are getting at, but I wouldn't really say he is that good a finisher because he is like that. I really think it just says a lot about him lacking some mental capacity that might stop him from getting to the very very top or at least connecting fully with any clubs he will ever join. Most of the best finishers in history gives you a feeling they are deeply emotionally invested. What other great finishers had this cold and detached personality?

[Adam P]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

No it's not. We have 25/26 games in 17 weeks or so. And the squad is 1 or 2 light. What use is all that money? This period cost Villa their CL place last season.

 

I think you see the flaw in your own argument, Villa gambled again overspent and its fucked them. Highlight of their window was selling us Ramsey.

 

My point saying its a bit harsh was in relationship to strategy. You refer to pre-season without articulating what that information would mean to you. There were only 2 choices: try everything you can to keep him or sell him early and then you can implement the fuller squad overhaul. 

 

The issues we had in recruitment versus the cartel still exist by the way, there are no guarantees and now we look like a selling club to Tonali, Tino, Bruno etc. The cost of our strategy was high but it was highest stakes summer we have ever experienced. Given the surprising resignation of the DoF that was not expected, i feel that 2 gaps left in a decent squad is a vast improvement.

[Kanj]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

No, it wasn't the club strategy the club sold him. I wouldn't sell for Liverpool under any circumstance in this window. He could have told me he wanted to fuck my dead mother I'd just laugh in his face. 

 

This isn't about money, this is about laying down your marker for everyone to see and we folded at the last minute. Again, you can be fine with that and think it was the right thing to do. That's alright with me but personally it's not something I would ever do.

 

Nothing would have left us without anything the two things aren't linked. Psr is a 3 year cycle we can buy wissa and be fine.  

I would have told the world after his statement on social media that he’s not for sale for any number and would have called him the fuck out for his behavior. But that’s just me!

 

in the same breath I’m happy he’s gone and happy to clear that cunt off our books. Just want to watch football and enjoy the players who want to be here. 

 

 

Edited September 2, 2025 by Kanj

[Adam P]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

No, it wasn't the club strategy t

 

Its been confirmed by every journalist writing about it that 'keep Isak' was our strategy. 

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, Kanj said:

mate I’m very certain Isak does this in every scenario apart from the one we win the league last season. I at first thought this was money but no, he was always leaving this summer even if we paid him 300k a week this last season. 

Maybe so. We will never know. Giving him a new contract is done to partly avoid such a situation. It would give his agent an opportunity to try and negotiate a release clause too.

 

Even if he never signed a new contract after protracted negotiations. That closeness would inform the club early, that Isak is likely to want to leave.

 

Mitchell closing down discussions and then leaving left a communication and feeling gap. Which is partly why we ended up being on the backfoot when things turned up.

 

This is why i keep saying "duppy know who fi frighten". The whole contract thing was an indication of a misaligned and fractured club. We didn't manage the situation. We keep saying the club is rudderless - this is part of it. I keep going back to Levy. He manages things from top to bottom, this is what Amanda was doing. Players might be upset and angry, but Levy/Staveley are there to manage the situation as best they can. We didn't have that - that was our first sign of weakness and misalignment.

 

As I keep saying, I don't think a hired gun CEO changes that. When shit gets real some type of Owner needs to intervene and it can't be on Aug 20 something months after the star player lets it known he wants to leave. That doesn't happen with Levy and wouldn't happen with Amanda around.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Adam P said:

 

Its been confirmed by every journalist writing about it that 'keep Isak' was our strategy. 

Did we keep him?

[Lush Vlad]

Not really sure we should read too much into him being a miserable, boring sounding twat in interviews.  People do have different personalities and show emotions in different ways. 

 

However, If he wasn't injured and he really did start half-arsing it after the cup final.  Then I suppose you could link the two if you wanted to.   

 

I think his actions this summer speak far louder than his words and demeanour in interviews.  Judge him on that. 

[Adam P]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Did we keep him?

 

No, it failed 

[r0cafella]

Just now, Adam P said:

 

No, it failed 

So that means the club didn't follow the strategy I would have. 

 

Unless your telling me, one of Isak, Liverpool or Lemic were the ones who could unilaterally sell him?