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[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

52 minutes ago, Joe1984 said:

Except that he got further in the CL than wor Eddie...

 

Aye because we were fucking cheated. 

[AngelofTheFourth]

Villa really played well and have been brilliant the whole campaign. A really high quality match. I'm not going to judge the easiness of their fixtures/format as I could not comfortably say we could get to the a UCL quarter final. While simultaneously being in a top 4 battle.

 

We will see next season though but I hope some of these comments don't come to bite back.

[ponsaelius]

It wasn't just the format itself, but the fact that the format largely neutralises the problem of being in pot 4. Makes it much more likely to get a decent draw and much more margin for error to get through - particularly if you get the big sides at home and the easier ones away. Not to take anything away - they pretty much nailed the group stage and were able to even avoid the play-off round. However they then also benefited by Brugge pulling off probably the biggest upset of the play-off round (24th beating 9th).

 

We had a format that made a difficult draw more likely for a pot 4 side with tighter margins for error, but we also got just about the hardest draw you could ask for from the options.

 

 

Edited April 15 by ponsaelius

[AngelofTheFourth]

1 minute ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

Aye because we were fucking cheated. 

We got battered home and away by dortmond and the fixtures against an awful AC milan team. We weren't robbed we were simply not good enough. 

 

 

 

 

[Fak]

3 minutes ago, AngelofTheFourth said:

We got battered home and away by dortmond and the fixtures against an awful AC milan team. We weren't robbed we were simply not good enough. 

 

 

 

 

Why don’t you go marry Emery then 

[Crimson Cardigan]

7 minutes ago, AngelofTheFourth said:

We got battered home and away by dortmond and the fixtures against an awful AC milan team. We weren't robbed we were simply not good enough. 

 

 

 

 

Bizarre take from a Newcastle fan. Dortmund in no way “battered us” at home, we hit the bar twice, (their social media team even thanking the crossbar for the result) and the PSG penalty is up there with the worst decisions in the competition’s history.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

10 minutes ago, AngelofTheFourth said:

We got battered home and away by dortmond and the fixtures against an awful AC milan team. We weren't robbed we were simply not good enough. 

 

 

 

 

 

Win that game away at PSG and the Milan home game would have been a very different affair. That game killed our confidence for a month or more. December onwards was awful.

 

 

Edited April 15 by Super Duper Branko Strupar

[AngelofTheFourth]

4 minutes ago, Fak said:

Why don’t you go marry Emery then 

 

Did I bring up Emery? Our issue last season wasn't even the manager it was recruitment and injuries. 

[AngelofTheFourth]

Just now, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

Win that game away at PSG and the Milan home game would have been a very different affair. That game killed our confidence for a month or more. December+ was awful.

 

Exactly my point. It was difficult but it was possible. The comments about our group stage are acting like we were outclassed every game. There were opportunities that we just didn't do enough to take.

[janpawel]

43 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Find the Villa bitterness weird. 
 

Their potential isn’t as big as ours. Have no reason to be bitter. They’ve been fantastic in the CL.  
 

I just hope they get 0 points from the next 2 and that’s them done.  
 

No issue with them winning the FA Cup.  I want the notion of the top 6 to be broken. 

 

 

 

I think with all the PSR stuff, they are very much our peers, and we are neck to neck in many ways on and off pitch

 

Next few seasons are huge for the 2 of us, I hope we do better than them in the league + Europe so in theory we can increase our revenues faster than them

[alexf]

36 minutes ago, 54 said:

I don't think that's true like, we're actually remarkably alike when it comes to potential, and just general size of club as well. They're remarkably well run, and seem to be willing to push the boat out financially if required.

 

Agree with this. We are very similarly matched at the moment. Both almost mirroring eachother in many ways. Similar high quality coaches that had similar relegation form convert into champions league qualification. 

We won a cup this year, they may yet win a cup etc. 

 

I do think we edge it in terms of elite players, as I believe Isak and Tonali rank better than anything they have, however I believe they have far better squad depth currently. 

 

But if the spending rules got relaxed they have plenty of cash and if not then they are willing to work around PSR pretty aggressively. 

 

I think it's pretty crucial that we finish above them and that they don't finish top 5. They are already set for a decent windfall from this year's champions league run when compared with ours I presume.

[HalloNUFC]

15 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

Win that game away at PSG and the Milan home game would have been a very different affair. That game killed our confidence for a month or more. December onwards was awful.

 

 

 

It's dubravka at goal that causes our awful form (& Trippiers head loss due to the scandal aswell)

That pope injury cost us like 10 points & an UCL KO, we would beat Milan with pope at goal 

[Andy84]

Squad is debatable if we had Hall and Botman fit.  Definitely have more options in the central striker department 

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, 54 said:

I don't think that's true like, we're actually remarkably alike when it comes to potential, and just general size of club as well. They're remarkably well run, and seem to be willing to push the boat out financially if required.

The owners of our club also own our 2 biggest sponsors and will build our new stadium essentially for free. 
 

Villa will have to continue to distort their accounts through various sales. We will inflate our primary sponsors as much as possible and juice the youth academy and infrastructure the way Villa cant.  
 

We are owned by the state of Saudi Arabia. Villa are owned by the richest Egyptian. 
 

Our potential is far greater than Villa’s. 

[huss9]

if we hadnt been playing thm this weekend i would have wanted villa to go through.

so was actually hoping for a 0-5 loss so they would be on such a downer against us.

tonight's brave deafeat may actually inspire them.

[AngelofTheFourth]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

The owners of our club also own our 2 biggest sponsors and will build our new stadium essentially for free. 
 

Villa will have to continue to distort their accounts through various sales. We will inflate our primary sponsors as much as possible and juice the youth academy and infrastructure the way Villa cant.  
 

We are owned by the state of Saudi Arabia. Villa are owned by the richest Egyptian. 
 

Our potential is far greater than Villa’s. 

 

There is a little something called ffp and also fair market value. The big 6 clubs can spend way more than us even though their owners are no where,near richer due to psr/ffp. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, AngelofTheFourth said:

 

There is a little something called ffp and also fair market value. The big 6 clubs can spend way more than us even though their owners are no where,near richer due to psr/ffp. 

Yes these are factors but we are essentially self sponsoring and these rules are under attack from City at any rate. 

 

The benefit of this for us is we can essentially get the max amount possible under the rules without having to compete in the marketplace against the Manchester United and Spurs.

 

The key thing is sustainable revenue, one off shots in the arm are great (Grealish sale) for example but such things can't be relied upon. Our revenue is higher and our wage bill is lower our overall position financially is better than Villa as is our potential. We have someway to go to catch the sky 6 but that's a different discussion. 

[The College Dropout]

It’s not really a debate.  Our potential is unrivalled. Which is why we attract the likes of Isak and Tonali.  
 

Our sponsors are capped by football regulations and are still artificially high.  Our deal with Adidas is so high because of our potential.  
 

Our stadium and training grounds etc. will be built loan free right? 
 

The POTENTIAL is unrivalled. It might not happen and PIF might not leverage all their might.  But they can do things Villa’s owners can’t.  

[ramirez]

Much like with Wembley where 23 was a lot about the experience etc (not for everyone) but the players seem to have learned I’m hoping for the same from Europe and hopefully the champions league next season. I was quite happy with the draw last time as thought why not have all the glamour ties but happy enough to just progress next time and no reason why we can’t emulate Villa with a fair wind. Almost still guaranteed a few big games along the way but also. Few fairly winnable ones. I think feyenoord and Leverkusen are our only away wins from three campaigns now, not including qualifiers, that’s something we will be looking to remedy.

[TheBrownBottle]

5 hours ago, AngelofTheFourth said:

 

There is a little something called ffp and also fair market value. The big 6 clubs can spend way more than us even though their owners are no where,near richer due to psr/ffp. 

FFP isn’t impacted by stadium building nor by investing in youth, and we can inflate our sponsorship to the maximum level possible.  Villa can’t do all of this.  

[TheBrownBottle]

5 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Yes these are factors but we are essentially self sponsoring and these rules are under attack from City at any rate. 

 

The benefit of this for us is we can essentially get the max amount possible under the rules without having to compete in the marketplace against the Manchester United and Spurs.

 

The key thing is sustainable revenue, one off shots in the arm are great (Grealish sale) for example but such things can't be relied upon. Our revenue is higher and our wage bill is lower our overall position financially is better than Villa as is our potential. We have someway to go to catch the sky 6 but that's a different discussion. 

Yep - and FFP is liable to limit Villa’s future opportunities re crazy sales prices

[Unbelievable]

Considering the Aston Villa owner’s wealth is around 10b, they seem willing to spend at least as much as these regulations allow and they’re consistently voting with City, Forest and us to get the shackles removed I’m not sure I agree out potential is all that different to ours. Still, I’d rather them in the CL than any of the “big six”. At least we’d be competing on an even playing field with them and both teams doing well should eventually start hurting the finances of the likes of Spurs, Man U and Chelsea.

[AngelofTheFourth]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

FFP isn’t impacted by stadium building nor by investing in youth, and we can inflate our sponsorship to the maximum level possible.  Villa can’t do all of this.  

 

I disagree with the youth comment. Villa are years ahead of us when it comes to this. They have been making impressive money from their academy players not the level of Chelsea and City though.

 

7 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Yes these are factors but we are essentially self sponsoring and these rules are under attack from City at any rate. 

 

The benefit of this for us is we can essentially get the max amount possible under the rules without having to compete in the marketplace against the Manchester United and Spurs.

 

The key thing is sustainable revenue, one off shots in the arm are great (Grealish sale) for example but such things can't be relied upon. Our revenue is higher and our wage bill is lower our overall position financially is better than Villa as is our potential. We have someway to go to catch the sky 6 but that's a different discussion. 

 

They have sold more players because they have brought more players. Our starting 11 is better than theirs but they have more depth due to the sales. Their revenue will most likely be more than ours this season due to UCL football. 

 

 

 

 

 

[r0cafella]

6 minutes ago, AngelofTheFourth said:

 

I disagree with the youth comment. Villa are years ahead of us when it comes to this. They have been making impressive money from their academy players not the level of Chelsea and City though.

 

 

They have sold more players because they have brought more players. Our starting 11 is better than theirs but they have more depth due to the sales. Their revenue will most likely be more than ours this season due to UCL football. 

 

 

 

 

 

The depth people are talking about is 2 loan players who are costing them over half a million a week in wages. 

 

It's a short term moonshot. They have sold more players and will have to continue to do so in order to remain compliant, meanwhile we don't have to sell anyone this window and will be on the prowl looking for bargains at the end of May. 

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Unbelievable said:

Considering the Aston Villa owner’s wealth is around 10b, they seem willing to spend at least as much as these regulations allow and they’re consistently voting with City, Forest and us to get the shackles removed I’m not sure I agree out potential is all that different to ours. Still, I’d rather them in the CL than any of the “big six”. At least we’d be competing on an even playing field with them and both teams doing well should eventually start hurting the finances of the likes of Spurs, Man U and Chelsea.

Our Owners also own our two main shirt sponsors and the value of those will be as high as regulations allow. Can Villa's owners do that?

 

Could Villa's owners build a £2Bn stadium? I suspect without a loan. I don't think any other Owner would be building that.

 

The our Owners will slap a sponsor on that new stadium at maximum value allowed. Could Villa's owners do that?

 

The maximum potential of us is similar to Man City. It could genuinely help to regenerate the entire City - campuses etc. Could Aston Villa's owners do that?

 

Transfer market is major but it's not the only thing. Think what this could look like in 15 years. Our ceiling is considerably higher. It's like Abramovic vs Abu Dhabi. That's the model Villa will pursue. Youth academy manufacturer line, player development and sale, get the best of what the market can offer in terms of sponsorships. We (should) pursue the City model - youth sales + juicing the sponsorships as much as possible, build a network of related-clubs to trade with.

 

 

Edited April 16 by The College Dropout