Anthony Gordon

[The Prophet]

The local rags reporting that Liverpool and Chelsea are still interested.

[huss9]

5 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

The local rags reporting that Liverpool and Chelsea are still interested.

tell them he's got a bad attitiude and isnt good any more.

[wyn davies]

1 hour ago, Zero said:

Yea, similar to some of the fans here.

 

If a player got no heart and gone lazy, didn’t track back etc, he wouldn’t be frustrated by his own performance and hence got that red card and missed the crucial final, and disappointed like the end of the world.

 

If he has attitude problems, he wouldn’t feel bad and hurt by those treatments during his last days at Everton.

 

Some of the people here are just fucking ridiculous and I will never get shy to call these outs. Especially on Gordon case - did you laugh at Everton for driving out Gordon and let us got him for just 40m? Now you are laughing at yourself then?

 

 

 

Don't mind it the least being called out, on a practical basis something isn't right, and if it's because he's unhappy here, then he has to make a decision , all of us are only as good as our last job and that has always been the case.I did say give him till January to get a grip and if no change, then question why and a decision had to be made on his future.

[Erikse]

14 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

The local rags reporting that Liverpool and Chelsea are still interested.

 

Hopefully they will read the forum (or not if they somehow were going to pay big money).

[Heron]

1 hour ago, Zero said:

Yea, similar to some of the fans here.

 

If a player got no heart and gone lazy, didn’t track back etc, he wouldn’t be frustrated by his own performance and hence got that red card and missed the crucial final, and disappointed like the end of the world.

 

If he has attitude problems, he wouldn’t feel bad and hurt by those treatments during his last days at Everton.

 

Some of the people here are just fucking ridiculous and I will never get shy to call these outs. Especially on Gordon case - did you laugh at Everton for driving out Gordon and let us got him for just 40m? Now you are laughing at yourself then?

 

 

 

I think you're taking a lot more out of this than folk are actually saying tbh. No one is driving him out from what I see. Just saying he is playing poor and is showing a bad attitude. There are probably several reasons for it, one being that he himself acknowledges that he isn't playing well, another that he isn't starting (and nor should he be), another that he didn't get game time for England and possibly that he thinks he may have got it if he was at another club (possibly!). He is our lowest performing winger/forward this season based on goal involvements and so he has dropped off from last season. Folk are highlighting that and also highlighting noticeable changes to his tracking back. The sprints thing comes as a surprise to me and aye, you cannot fault that effort going forward, absolutely, but running lots doesn't equate to good form either.

 

I don't believe Eddie Howe expects forwards to only attack, perhaps with the exception of say Isak. Therefore, I suspect he too is also considering that Gordon needs to work his way back into Howe's usual set up. We've had to change our set up recently and he's factored in that change again but is yet to show why, should we return to type, he'd be ahead of Barnes.

 

I don't really see many saying flog him or that he's shite, simply that he needs to show the right attitude and improve, which seemingly both he and Howe are acknowledging in their own respective ways.

 

I agree that wanting to sell Gordon is daft, but an in form Gordon wouldn't even have that question mark over him.

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Heron

[Erikse]

2 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

FWIW, his FBRef, which is by no means perfect.  Does highlight that in a lot of areas, his numbers and stats are down on last season.  Some are fairly similar or a bit better, TBF.  I think I screenshotted them on my phone.  I'll add them later if I remember.

 

I'm sure this will trigger Kaiz.  As he gets disgusted whenever anyone mentions VAR and goal celebrations or FBRef  

 

I was looking for "distance covered", but apparently it isn't available on the free stat sites?

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

I think you're taking a lot more out of this than folk are actually saying tbh. No one is driving him out from what I see. Just saying he is playing poor and is showing a bad attitude. There are probably several reasons for it, one being that he himself acknowledges that he isn't playing well, another that he isn't starting (and nor should he be), another that he didn't get game time for England and possibly that he thinks he may have got it if he was at another club (possibly!). He is our lowest performing winger/forward this season based on goal involvements and so he has dropped off from last season. Folk are highlighting that and also highlighting noticeable changes to his tracking back. The sprints thing comes as a surprise to me and aye, you cannot fault that effort going forward, absolutely, but running lots doesn't equate to good form either.

 

I don't believe Eddie Howe expects forwards to only attack, perhaps with the exception of say Isak. Therefore, I suspect he too is also considering that Gordon needs to work his way back into Howe's usual set up. We've had to change our set up recently and he's factored in that change again but is yet to show why, should we return to type, he'd be ahead of Barnes.

 

I don't really see many saying flog him or that he's shite, simply that he needs to show the right attitude and improve, which seemingly both he and Howe are acknowledging in their own respective ways.

 

I agree that wanting to sell Gordon is daft, but an in form Gordon wouldn't even have that question mark over him.

 

 

 

Absolutely, such comments make having discussions rather tedious. 

 

If people are saying he's shit, sell him please do quote them and discuss the points. 

[Superior Acuña]

I don't buy that he has a bad attitude, I think that gets projected onto him when he's not playing as well. The negative feelings people had before he signed are bubbling under and ready to resurface when he hits a poor patch. Don't buy he gets an easy ride at all, heard multiple people shouting 'scouse cunt' at him on the weekend when he tried and failed to get past someone - few players get that kind of stick.

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

I don't buy that he has a bad attitude, I think that gets projected onto him when he's not playing as well. The negative feelings people had before he signed are bubbling under and ready to resurface when he hits a poor patch. Don't buy he gets an easy ride at all, heard multiple people shouting 'scouse cunt' at him on the weekend when he tried and failed to get past someone - few players get that kind of stick.

That's rancid like, we shouldn't be berating our own. 

 

Something appears off to my eyes and has most of the season but I can't claim to know what exactly it is. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

There’s definitely some residual dislike towards Gordon that comes back to the surface and leads to a lack of patience, IMO. Same reason the signing itself was underrated. 
 

He is playing well below his best at the moment though. 

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by AyeDubbleYoo

[Wallsendmag]

Whilst I do think he's a good player who's just had a bad season, of all our so called "blue chip players", Isak, Tonali, Bruno, Joelinton, Gordon, even Botman if we can get him fit over the summer as we can all see the difference he makes when he's playing, Gordon is the one I'd be least disappointed to lose if we decided to cash in on one of them to help our PSR situation and strengthen in other areas.

 

He hasn't looked himself for a while but we can only really speculate why that might be.

[Heron]

16 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

I don't buy that he has a bad attitude, I think that gets projected onto him when he's not playing as well. The negative feelings people had before he signed are bubbling under and ready to resurface when he hits a poor patch. Don't buy he gets an easy ride at all, heard multiple people shouting 'scouse cunt' at him on the weekend when he tried and failed to get past someone - few players get that kind of stick.

I'm genuinely baffled as to why any of our fans would shout at him "scouse cunt" tbh as that's not really constructive in any shape or form is it...

 

I'm just speaking from my personal point of view here but as a general rule of thumb I am far more more likely to criticise talented players with (perceived) bad attitude than those who are (also perceived - by most) to have less talent and whom exhibit the absolutely right attitude. You will always see me critiquing a Gordon over a Murphy. That is because I am of the view that someone giving their absolute maximum and whom isn't capable of performing any better than their existing performances isn't going to benefit from any criticism and it becomes the managers, and the clubs job to replace them with someone more capable. As it happens, Murphy is now a bad example of this as he demonstrating he is capable of performing to a relatively high level.

 

Whereas, I think attitude is something that can be changed with more ease (than capability) and I think the right attitude is a prerequisite of any professional. Of course, they are only human and will have ups and downs that impact their game, but generally they should have a base level of professionalism.

 

I'm of the view that Gordon hasn't been exhibiting the same attitude or morale from last season and subsequently he has been poorer. I believe his (goal involvement) stats reflect that. It is, however, interesting to see his number of sprints. What I would like to see is how many of them were defensive by comparison to others in his position.

 

Aside from stats, I can see that he often gets tackled and mopes about...

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Heron

[Heron]

15 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

I don't buy that he has a bad attitude, I think that gets projected onto him when he's not playing as well. The negative feelings people had before he signed are bubbling under and ready to resurface when he hits a poor patch. Don't buy he gets an easy ride at all, heard multiple people shouting 'scouse cunt' at him on the weekend when he tried and failed to get past someone - few players get that kind of stick.

I can think of abuse that Dan Burn, Sean Longstaff and Jacob Muprhy have all received in this last 18months alone, too.

[Erikse]

8 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

Whilst I do think he's a good player who's just had a bad season, of all our so called "blue chip players", Isak, Tonali, Bruno, Joelinton, Gordon, even Botman if we can get him fit over the summer as we can all see the difference he makes when he's playing, Gordon is the one I'd be least disappointed to lose if we decided to cash in on one of them to help our PSR situation and strengthen in other areas.

 

He hasn't looked himself for a while but we can only really speculate why that might be.

 

I agree, but really it all depends on the price. At a certain price most people here would sell. At a low price just about anyone here would keep him. I think I wouldn't sell below £75m personally. At £75m+ it starts becoming difficult imo, as everyone has a price. It's just that making so many changes in one window is kind of risky. Gordon knows the system and his teammates. We already need to bed in some signings in other positions.

 

I don't think we will get £75m+ anyways.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Erikse

[Abacus]

1 hour ago, Zero said:

Yea, similar to some of the fans here.

 

If a player got no heart and gone lazy, didn’t track back etc, he wouldn’t be frustrated by his own performance and hence got that red card and missed the crucial final, and disappointed like the end of the world.

 

If he has attitude problems, he wouldn’t feel bad and hurt by those treatments during his last days at Everton.

 

Some of the people here are just fucking ridiculous and I will never get shy to call these outs. Especially on Gordon case - did you laugh at Everton for driving out Gordon and let us got him for just 40m? Now you are laughing at yourself then?

 

 

 

 

This is an overreaction to people pointing out that he hasn't had the best season compared to what we have seen he is capable of from the year before.

 

Calling them out? All they are doing is wondering why that is and isn't indispensable.

 

Also don't agree he should be sold but it's total bobbins that anyone is driving him out, it's just that he needs to be in the team on merit game by game. 

 

He'll probably start and get a hattrick now as well.

[Erikse]

4 minutes ago, Heron said:

I can think of abuse that Dan Burn, Sean Longstaff and Jacob Muprhy have all received in this last 18months alone, too.

 

Bit off topic, but here we go. As much as I wanted Tonali in for Longstaff, I wonder why he didn't get a start lately? I know Longstaff is limited, but Miley and Willock hasn't been doing that much at all, and we even changed formation. I guess it's purely from a tactical perspective as Tonali has his role?

[Wallsendmag]

2 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

I agree, but really it all depends on the price. At a certain price most people here would sell. At a low price just about anyone here would keep him. I think I wouldn't sell below £75m personally. At £75m+ it starts becoming difficult imo, as everyone has a price. It's just that making so many changes in one window is kind of risky. Gordon knows the system and his teammates. We already need to bed in some signings in other positions.

 

I don't think we will get £75m+ anyways.

 

 

 

 

There's been talk of £80m which seems about right with the young English player tax, England International etc. That would mean us nearly doubling our money on him and I'd have to say I'd be tempted with that sort of deal. 

 

If thw rumours of Mbuemo being available for £54m we could go out and get him and then maybe Bonniface or Xavi Simons who are both unsettled which would give us a stronger forward line than we currently have.

 

It's going to be difficult to get an out and out CF who would know he's playing 2nd fiddle to Isak so I think we'd need to be a bit creative in who we sign attacking wise.

[Heron]

9 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Bit off topic, but here we go. As much as I wanted Tonali in for Longstaff, I wonder why he didn't get a start lately? I know Longstaff is limited, but Miley and Willock hasn't been doing that much at all, and we even changed formation. I guess it's purely from a tactical perspective as Tonali has his role?

Most likely. I was of the view at the time that Longstaff was being correctly utilised until Howe could tinker with the midfield and tactics to make Tonali into the player we all see. I still think that was right. (I KNOW - GET ME RIGHT! )

 

There were never doubts that Tonali was the more capable and talented, just that we needed to find the right solution for the team. I think Howe sees Tonali and Longstaff as the like for like replacements and instead Miley probably is more like for like with Bruno and Willock for Joelinton, personally. Despite each CM or option offering slightly different attributes.

 

One thing I think folk are guilty of is thinking the most talented 11 are the best 11 and that isn't always the case. Not saying that is the case with Gordon necessarily but just an observation from multiple debates.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Heron

[Erikse]

10 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

There's been talk of £80m which seems about right with the young English player tax, England International etc. That would mean us nearly doubling our money on him and I'd have to say I'd be tempted with that sort of deal. 

 

If thw rumours of Mbuemo being available for £54m we could go out and get him and then maybe Bonniface or Xavi Simons who are both unsettled which would give us a stronger forward line than we currently have.

 

It's going to be difficult to get an out and out CF who would know he's playing 2nd fiddle to Isak so I think we'd need to be a bit creative in who we sign attacking wise.

 

Well.. tbf to them (if that's true), you just know he will go back to being the Gordon of last season if they sign him.

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, Holloway said:

Does he ? If it's that apparent then the manager must have noticed. Perhaps he's giving him a free pass on workrate ? 

Think the manager gives him leeway on performances in general.

 

If we are basing things on performance this season - HB starts at LW.

[Holloway]

7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Think the manager gives him leeway on performances in general.

 

If we are basing things on performance this season - HB starts at LW.

I'd say he's been accommodated for the LW spot at Barnes' expense recently and don't particularly agree with it, but I was responding to the post saying he was lazing about every week. The bad attitude accusation doesn't wash with me at all, since his move to Liverpool fell through blah blah 

[Mattoon]

Honestly it's all just speculation but I think we can all agree something is not quite right with Gordon and the sooner that is sorted one way or the other, the better, personal choice is that he's back firing on all cylinders for us next season. He's his own biggest critic so I'm sure he'll find a way through it with Howe.

[Holloway]

Players have lean spells form wise, look at Palmer. He's done very little of late, was on fire earlier in the season. On here there is a pile on for certain players when it happens

[TRon]

5 hours ago, McCormick said:

Storm in a teacup as always on here when a players’ form dips. Always looking for a scapegoat.
 

He’s fine, just not reacting particularly well to this new notion of not being a nailed-on starter; Barnes was similar until he got an extended run in the team.

 

 

All the bad form or "poor attitude" will be forgotten in a second if he scores on Sunday. Honestly that's the only thing I am thinking about right now, especially with Isak potentially missing. No one will care about him having a poor season if he produces a winner against Everton. Simple as that.

[Wallsendmag]

19 minutes ago, Holloway said:

Players have lean spells form wise, look at Palmer. He's done very little of late, was on fire earlier in the season. On here there is a pile on for certain players when it happens

 

Tbf Palmer has 17 goals and 10 assists this season.

 

Gordon has 8 goals and 6 assists.

 

Don't really see a pile on. People just rightly pointing out that he's had a marked downturn in form this season.

 

If people are booing him or getting on his back at the match then that's a different story entirely.