huss9 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, astraguy said: https://www.footballfancast.com/everton-ffp-appeal-news-farhad-moshiri-777-partners/ Are football insider reliable? yet man city....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 3 hours ago, astraguy said: https://www.footballfancast.com/everton-ffp-appeal-news-farhad-moshiri-777-partners/ Are football insider reliable? Pete O’Rank patter isn’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagMal Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 3 hours ago, astraguy said: https://www.footballfancast.com/everton-ffp-appeal-news-farhad-moshiri-777-partners/ Are football insider reliable? While ffp is a scam and a way to maintain the cartel I wouldn't be apposed to Everton getting fucked over and relegated, in fact I will laugh my cock off if they go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Just to check - this is the appeal over the original 10pts deduction that has already been applied isn't it? And they then have another case to answer (along with Forest) once this appeal has concluded? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 3 hours ago, astraguy said: https://www.footballfancast.com/everton-ffp-appeal-news-farhad-moshiri-777-partners/ Are football insider reliable? I don't think it'll be any surprise if they lose their appeal, the appeal can only consider the case on the basis of the PL's rules. If they lose the appeal it likely not to be the end of it, it's possible / likely they'll then challenge the lawfulness of the PLs FFP rules through the Competition Appeals Tribunal, which is when it'll get interesting! Particularly if they're in the regulation places with the deduction. The case would be be unlikely to be concluded before the start of next season but they could theoretically get an injunction to prevent them from being relegated while the case is ongoing, and leave the whole system of promotion and relegation in limbo. Edited February 11 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 13 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: I don't think it'll be any surprise if they lose their appeal, the appeal can only consider the case on the basis of the PL's rules. If they lose the appeal it likely not to be the end of it, it's possible / likely they'll then challenge the lawfulness of the PLs FFP rules through the Competition Appeals Tribunal, which is when it'll get interesting! Particularly if they're in the regulation places with the deduction. The case would be be unlikely to be concluded before the start of next season but they could theoretically get an injunction to prevent them from being relegated while the case is ongoing, and leave the whole system of promotion and relegation in limbo. FMV and the new more onerous FMV rules that basically tells clubs who and who they can’t have as sponsor also needs to go to a CAT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 53 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: FMV and the new more onerous FMV rules that basically tells clubs who and who they can’t have as sponsor also needs to go to a CAT. Yeah, that doesn't seem likely to be directly relevant to Everton's case, but its all under the same profit and sustainability section of the PL's rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infatuation Junkie Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 14 teams outside the big 6 should walk off the pitch every week until the FFP rule is abolished Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Just now, Infatuation Junkie said: 14 teams outside the big 6 should walk off the pitch every week until the FFP rule is abolished But most of those 14 are perfectly happy to be also-rans and keep the drawbridge up for any club with more ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAK Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 8 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: But most of those 14 are perfectly happy to be also-rans and keep the drawbridge up for any club with more ambition. Plenty of owners happy to take their cut and not have to put anything back, FFP is brilliant for them. Though to keep the gravy train going they have to make sure they’re not relegated. FFP keeps the mid pack together and stops clubs breaking away and creating a smaller pool of potential relegation candidates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 51 minutes ago, SAK said: Plenty of owners happy to take their cut and not have to put anything back, FFP is brilliant for them. Though to keep the gravy train going they have to make sure they’re not relegated. FFP keeps the mid pack together and stops clubs breaking away and creating a smaller pool of potential relegation candidates. It helps that too. The newly promoted teams have less FFP room - for example, Forest last season had £35m from their PL season but only about a third of that for each of the previous two seasons because they were in the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mase Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 City fan in peace! I’ve got a soft spot for Newcastle - my first season being taken to Maine Road as a kid when the Kippax was rebuilt and one match that sticks out in my memory that season was playing yous. Mainly because of the Asprilla and Curle spat but also your kit was class at the time. We’ve also had quite a few players play for both clubs whilst I was growing up as well, a lot of terrible ones (Sibierski and Charvet spring to mind) but some decent ones (Given, Bellers). We had Beardsley on loan for a few games I seem to remember when we had our Kappa kit as well. I wanted to see what your fans thoughts were after it looks like City and Newcastle were the only two teams not to vote on this new sponsorship rule. Good to see that most of you can see what the American owned clubs are trying to do. It was always the same with FFP - a lot of clubs were promised that it would stop City if they voted for it, but all it’s done is stop them competing. We were already in the castle at that point, it was a drawbridge being put up to stop others from “doing a City”. And we’re now seeing that with other clubs failing FFP, Howe mentioning he might have to sell in the summer. All FFP has done is stop teams from pushing the likes of Man United further down and keeps them in touching distance until they can stabilise. The American owned clubs are still desperate for this ‘Super League’ and this is just another step towards that imo. Anyway, good to read some of your opinions and I’m hoping City can help your owners out and the clubs work closely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 3 minutes ago, Mase said: a lot of terrible ones (Sibierski and Charvet spring to mind) Welcome. Le Sib surprised everyone here in turning out to be pretty useful for us. Had a classy first touch and scored some big goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Aye, I honestly think we’ll get the Super League, but we’ll end up with a closed Premier League. Americans owning loads of teams now, not just the top 6. People like Parish at Palace will be happy to be locked in to the money, plus also being able to sell Palace if they are on the right side of the relegation line when it comes into play. The Premier League will be looking at what the NFL are doing and want to have a piece of that. Bigger TV money, a Premier League online store where they sell merchandise from all the clubs directly, even games abroad. The European teams will end up wanting to do similar and it will be go either way if they just end up replacing the Champions League, or if it’s in place of their domestic leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 14 minutes ago, Mase said: looks like City and Newcastle were the only two teams not to vote on this new sponsorship rule. I thought the athletic reported it was Villa and Palace? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 minutes ago, et tu brute said: I thought the athletic reported it was Villa and Palace? Villa and Palace abstained like cowards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 5 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: Villa and Palace abstained like cowards. I think Villa are like us, they don’t really agree with it, but they are less likely to want to rock the boat. Palace love it, but for them, and for Villa, the proposed stadium infrastructure being included in your costs, fucks them over. It was only a few weeks ago that Palace had agreed to buy a car park off Sainsbury’s so they could build their new stand, it’s currently in the tender process. Villa have had to put the brakes on their stadium improvements, despite them citing they want fans in if they get into the Champions League, I doubt that’s the reason. Edited February 11 by Stifler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: Villa and Palace abstained like cowards. Yeah that's what I thought. City fan seems to me to be indicating it was us and city though as there were 6 teams who voted against it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 minute ago, Stifler said: I think Villa are like us, they don’t really agree with it, but they don’t want to rock the boat. Palace love it, but for them, and for Villa, the proposed stadium infrastructure being included in your costs fucks them over. It was only a few weeks ago that Palace had agreed to buy a car park off Sainsbury’s so they could build their new stand, it’s currently in the tender process. Villa have had to put the brakes on their stadium improvements, despite them citing they want fans in if they get into the Champions League, I doubt that’s the reason. Then they should have voted no and the whole thing falls apart. I’m irrationally annoyed about those two just letting it go through with 12 votes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Just now, timeEd32 said: Then they should have voted no and the whole thing falls apart. I’m irrationally annoyed about those two just letting it go through with 12 votes Aye but in their defence they are looking at how the Premier League are clamping down on us as soon as a journalist says we are linked with either a player, or a sponsorship deal, they vote to block it. I think Villa are aware of this, and are not wanting to pop their heads up incase they go after them as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Just now, Stifler said: Aye but in their defence they are looking at how the Premier League are clamping down on us as soon as a journalist says we are linked with either a player, or a sponsorship deal, they vote to block it. I think Villa are aware of this, and are not wanting to pop their heads up incase they go after them as well. The new rules will block/hinder our progress for years that includes sponsorships. The only way to defeat the old cartel is a CAT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mase Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 20 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Yeah that's what I thought. City fan seems to me to be indicating it was us and city though as there were 6 teams who voted against it. Is that true? 6 teams voted against it but it was still brought in? The Premier League doing everything the American owners want without realising it will be the end of the PL as we know it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 13 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: The new rules will block/hinder our progress for years that includes sponsorships. The only way to defeat the old cartel is a CAT. Shall I send out my Ellie cat, or my Bennie cat to deal with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mase Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 38 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Welcome. Le Sib surprised everyone here in turning out to be pretty useful for us. Had a classy first touch and scored some big goals. Pearce thought playing Sib LW for us would work….we didn’t score a goal at home for about 6 months! Felt like 6 years!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 3 minutes ago, Stifler said: Shall I send out my Ellie cat, or my Bennie cat to deal with it? Any old tom will do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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