The College Dropout Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 11 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Part of the problem is that clubs can only project a portion of their income - ST sales are locked in; commercial deals are usually clear; basic TV rights are confirmed in advance of the season. Much of the income of football-club is performance-based, and no matter how much is spent there is no guarantees offered on that front (see United, Manchester). Prize money for league position; money for TV appearances (less likely if you’re mediocre); advancing in Europe and the domestic cups. The sport isn’t set up well for clubs to be able to confidently project future income and use those projections to determine how much they can spend. Underperforming on the pitch is traditionally punished in the usual sporting way - failure, relegation etc. These rules double-down on failure. Owners who are already risk-averse just become even more risk-averse - resulting in increasingly turgid ‘product’. None of that matters, though. The bottom line is what counts. Isn’t modern football fun? This is relatively small for the big 6. It impacts clubs like us more as a overall %. Our revenues are 300mish. Man U's is 800mish no? The competition money has a much bigger impact for us or Villa than it does Man U. 25 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Leicester are going to get a PL points deduction, get relegated, get a Championship points deduction. Spend the next 5 years trying to get in and stay in the PL and lose most of the brand value they accumulated by winning the PL & FA Cup. And it's just because of FFP - their Owners are happy to finance Leicester. The game would never let this happen to a Cartel club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 What a weird video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagCA Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: What a weird video. I couldn't get past the aviator shades and mask indoors. Turned off after about 15 seconds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 4 hours ago, The College Dropout said: This is relatively small for the big 6. It impacts clubs like us more as a overall %. Our revenues are 300mish. Man U's is 800mish no? The competition money has a much bigger impact for us or Villa than it does Man U. Leicester are going to get a PL points deduction, get relegated, get a Championship points deduction. Spend the next 5 years trying to get in and stay in the PL and lose most of the brand value they accumulated by winning the PL & FA Cup. And it's just because of FFP - their Owners are happy to finance Leicester. The game would never let this happen to a Cartel club. Getting relegated twice and being reduced from midtable/top half club with ambition to at least maintain that to yo-yo club status - a scenario infinitely more of a financial risk than if they were left alone - for spending what they could afford to.Would hate to think what punishment a club trying to form a new league and change and damage the dynamic of football in this country would get if ever such a thing happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, Jonas said: Getting relegated twice and being reduced from midtable/top half club with ambition to at least maintain that to yo-yo club status - a scenario infinitely more of a financial risk than if they were left alone - for spending what they could afford to.Would hate to think what punishment a club trying to form a new league and change and damage the dynamic of football in this country would get if ever such a thing happened. I see what you did there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonGeordie Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, manorpark said: Think he’s hired the bloke who used to do the ISIS recruitment videos for editing 😂 Great to see that we’re being taken seriously though, it’s outrageous the quality we have in this team now tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 59 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: What a weird video. NOT weird at all, watch it and you will see. The guy wants to remain anonymous, for a while, until he sees if his 'new channel' becomes popular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 57 minutes ago, MagCA said: I couldn't get past the aviator shades and mask indoors. Turned off after about 15 seconds. This is a VERY high quality analysis of our football club, of the depth and quality that you never see on Sky Sports or any other London Channel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 17 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Part of the problem is that clubs can only project a portion of their income - ST sales are locked in; commercial deals are usually clear; basic TV rights are confirmed in advance of the season. Much of the income of football-club is performance-based, and no matter how much is spent there is no guarantees offered on that front (see United, Manchester). Prize money for league position; money for TV appearances (less likely if you’re mediocre); advancing in Europe and the domestic cups. The sport isn’t set up well for clubs to be able to confidently project future income and use those projections to determine how much they can spend. Underperforming on the pitch is traditionally punished in the usual sporting way - failure, relegation etc. These rules double-down on failure. Owners who are already risk-averse just become even more risk-averse - resulting in increasingly turgid ‘product’. None of that matters, though. The bottom line is what counts. Isn’t modern football fun? I was thinking recently how much sense it would make for the PL (and likely all leagues) to change their reporting period to calendar year to match UEFA. It would provide consistency, but I think it also removes some of the uncertainty. As you said, performance determines a lot. TCD is also right that it impacts the likes of us and Villa more than those making double what we bring it, but it can still be meaningful. On December 1 we were in 10th. That's about £15m in prize money from where we are today. That plus the benefits of advancing deeper into Europe can be significant. Calendar year would allow clubs to have almost all the information they need for the entire summer transfer window and remove the June scramble. It would probably make January even more difficult to conduct business, but otherwise seems very sensible. I won't hold my breath. Edited January 9 by timeEd32 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: I was thinking recently how much sense it would make for the PL (and likely all leagues) to change their reporting period to calendar year to match UEFA. It would provide consistency, but I think it also removes some of the uncertainty. As you said, performance determines a lot. TCD is also right that it impacts the likes of us and Villa more than those making double what we bring it, but it can still be significant. On December 1 we were in 10th. That's about £15m in prize money from where we are today. That plus the benefits of advancing deeper into Europe can be significant. Calendar year would allow clubs to have almost all the information they need for the entire summer transfer window and remove the June scramble. It would probably make January even more difficult to conduct business, but otherwise seems very sensible. I won't hold my breath. They could just scrap the January transfer window as part of such a move. Would be more fair anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Derek Chisora is a big fan of the Toon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, timeEd32 said: I was thinking recently how much sense it would make for the PL (and likely all leagues) to change their reporting period to calendar year to match UEFA. It would provide consistency, but I think it also removes some of the uncertainty. As you said, performance determines a lot. TCD is also right that it impacts the likes of us and Villa more than those making double what we bring it, but it can still be meaningful. On December 1 we were in 10th. That's about £15m in prize money from where we are today. That plus the benefits of advancing deeper into Europe can be significant. Calendar year would allow clubs to have almost all the information they need for the entire summer transfer window and remove the June scramble. It would probably make January even more difficult to conduct business, but otherwise seems very sensible. I won't hold my breath. Agreed it makes too much sense that it won’t happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Will we get to hear this week what clubs are in trouble? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagCA Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, Ben said: Will we get to hear this week what clubs are in trouble? Surprised that SSN doesn’t have a countdown for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 4 minutes ago, MagCA said: Surprised that SSN doesn’t have a countdown for it. They are not going to celebrate until they know for certain that it doesn’t include any of the top 6, aside from Man City. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerprince2004 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 13 minutes ago, Ben said: Will we get to hear this week what clubs are in trouble? One of the journo's on X last week said it would probably be Tuesday if any clubs are going to be charged for PSR breaches. They reckon only Leicester are in trouble but there could be a surprise or two (Chelsea and Man Utd hopefully) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 27 minutes ago, Pokerprince2004 said: One of the journo's on X last week said it would probably be Tuesday if any clubs are going to be charged for PSR breaches. They reckon only Leicester are in trouble but there could be a surprise or two (Chelsea and Man Utd hopefully) How good would it be if a Sky6 club was charged Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, Ben said: How good would it be if a Sky6 club was charged We would instantly gain a case where the punishment was money rather than points. Either that, or we would see a change in what is PSR deductible, or addition of allowable losses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 9 minutes ago, Ben said: How good would it be if a Sky6 club was charged Never going to happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 11 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Never going to happen Well obviously they will have cooked the books by now, but when Man Utd cheated with the Covid load I'm amazed there wasn't more kick off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 14 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Never going to happen Aye. With the possible exception of Chelsea. But like Chelsea - they’ll get to exploit loopholes others can’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudwiser Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 What happened? 4 hours ago, Ben said: Well obviously they will have cooked the books by now, but when Man Utd cheated with the Covid load I'm amazed there wasn't more kick off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, spudwiser said: What happened? https://onefootball.com/en/news/football-finance-expert-baffled-how-manchester-united-avoided-psr-breaches-due-to-special-allowances-39861999 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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