FloydianMag Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 10 minutes ago, Jonas said: Think I had more hope under Ashley. Could at least dream of him selling up to someone with ambition. That it was only him holding us back not the entire system. Now we couldn't have more ambition, potential and wherewithal and it doesn't matter. I’m at the point where I’ve resigned myself to us being a top half also ran club, the only positive is the chances of relegation have been significantly reduced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Looking forward to the transfer questions starting in the lead-up to summer and Eddie telling us there’s no money to spend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Was hoping we'd not have to, but I hope we start to take the pee with related party sponsorship deals. Fuck them all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Obviously if the penalty is only a fine, there's a chance we take it. Spend a billion more than we're allowed, take a £100m fine...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Pretty sure we disagreed with the FMV value rules - presumably that could be a separate challenge, if we ever needed to make one. I think the plan was always to play nice at least to start with, and grow organically with things that had maybe not been exploited like some other clubs have, as there was plenty of room to do that. That was the gist of what I took from their plans. No doom and gloom from me just yet, other than about Gordon's knee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Quote The Premier League has been looking at a model enabling clubs to spend up to 85 per cent of revenue on squad cost, with a sliding scale of penalties in place where clubs exceed that ratio. However, there is no guarantee that the new financial model will even be signed off at the league's annual general meeting in June. A vote yesterday was essentially a vote for "the current rules are dumb; let's figure out and vote on new ones." And the high level replacement being kicked around is basically UEFA's rules with transparent penalties that start with fines, not point deductions. Depending on the exact implementation it's entirely possible we end up voting no in June, but you can see why everyone (bar one) voted yes to move this process forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavin byars Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Hello, I am a Newcastle United fan studying at Robert Gordon University. I am a final year International Business student looking at the affect of the PIF majority ownership on Newcastle United stakeholders particularly the fans. It is key that I gain the fans' opinion on certain matters therefore I ask if you can fill out the survey attached below. It should only take 5-10 minutes. All responses are anonymous and comply with GDPR regulations. Thank you. https://app.onlinesurveys.jisc.ac.uk/s/robertgordonuniversity/newcastle-united-fans-opinion-on-pif-ownership-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 5 hours ago, r0cafella said: Capitalism devours all, why would football be an exception? There's the point. However, what do the rich do,they exploit, they look for loop holes. There's an obvious loop hole we have a greater opportunity to exploit than anyone, the Saudi league and astronomical transfers between the parties, if the PL want to be wankers, just do this, and there's probably sweet fuck all they could do! Edited March 12 by mighty__mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 hours ago, Jonas said: Think I had more hope under Ashley. Could at least dream of him selling up to someone with ambition. That it was only him holding us back not the entire system. Now we couldn't have more ambition, potential and wherewithal and it doesn't matter. That’s the spirit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 14 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said: That’s the spirit Is it wrong in any way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Liverpool's 2022/23 accounts are out and for the first time ever their commercial revenue exceeded their broadcast revenue (in a season they made the CL QF). Massive gains over the last decade going from £104m in 2014 to £273m in 2023. Only £30m behind Man United now. Their wages were £123m more than our revenue. Their commercial revenue alone exceeds our total revenue, which is also true of both Manchester clubs. Their matchday revenue of £80m (£87m in 2021/22) is essentially equal to our matchday (£38m) + commercial (£47m). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, timeEd32 said: Liverpool's 2022/23 accounts are out and for the first time ever their commercial revenue exceeded their broadcast revenue (in a season they made the CL QF). Massive gains over the last decade going from £104m in 2014 to £273m in 2023. Only £30m behind Man United now. Their wages were £123m more than our revenue. Their commercial revenue alone exceeds our total revenue, which is also true of both Manchester clubs. Their matchday revenue of £80m (£87m in 2021/22) is essentially equal to our matchday (£38m) + commercial (£47m). Yet you’ll still have people argue that we can remain at SJP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, LFEE said: Yet you’ll still have people argue that we can remain at SJP. Comparing with Liverpool isn’t the greatest argument for moving tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LFEE said: Yet you’ll still have people argue that we can remain at SJP. Eh, they remained at Anfield and expanded it twice now. Edited March 12 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 This might help explain some of the potential punishments of UEFA PSR https://x.com/mikeygow/status/1767305199213826352?s=61&t=Yt8DTJJ-7Jh_ndgpdGSFKQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
500bhp Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, timeEd32 said: Liverpool's 2022/23 accounts are out and for the first time ever their commercial revenue exceeded their broadcast revenue (in a season they made the CL QF). Massive gains over the last decade going from £104m in 2014 to £273m in 2023. Only £30m behind Man United now. Their wages were £123m more than our revenue. Their commercial revenue alone exceeds our total revenue, which is also true of both Manchester clubs. Their matchday revenue of £80m (£87m in 2021/22) is essentially equal to our matchday (£38m) + commercial (£47m). Well that will change soon. The season after next I expect my season to go up from £550 it's been for about the last 13 years to about £900 😫 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, r0cafella said: Comparing with Liverpool isn’t the greatest argument for moving tbh. It is really because they’ve remained and extended their stadium twice yet they are miles from others and we are miles off them and they’ve took advantage of the old rules. Only way to catch them with the current rules is have a bigger more adaptable stadium. Anfield can’t host any Cup Finals due to pitch size so there is a slender chance of catching them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, FloydianMag said: This might help explain some of the potential punishments of UEFA PSR https://x.com/mikeygow/status/1767305199213826352?s=61&t=Yt8DTJJ-7Jh_ndgpdGSFKQ Please don’t expect the EPL to follow the sanctions laid out by Uefa. We’ve seen with Everton they want financial rule breakers to be dealt with severely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, r0cafella said: Please don’t expect the EPL to follow the sanctions laid out by Uefa. We’ve seen with Everton they want financial rule breakers to be dealt with severely. I don't know, I have been trying to figure out just why this is more favourable to the vast majority of PL clubs to what's in place already, and think the promise of financial punishment rather than points could be a large part of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, sushimonster85 said: I don't know, I have been trying to figure out just why this is more favourable to the vast majority of PL clubs to what's in place already, and think the promise of financial punishment rather than points could be a large part of it. Yep. I agree. However those 4 clubs who are being investigated should still be held to the old rules at least… you’d hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Please don’t expect the EPL to follow the sanctions laid out by Uefa. We’ve seen with Everton they want financial rule breakers to be dealt with severely. This was interesting from the same bloke. https://x.com/mikeygow/status/1767305259066479018?s=61&t=Yt8DTJJ-7Jh_ndgpdGSFKQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Liverpool remained at Anfield but found a way to double their matchday revenue via multiple expansions. I imagine we'll stay put if we can think can accomplish the same. But if you do that you definitely need a path to over £200m (today's money) in commercial revenue. I think we're well on our way to £100m, but doubling from there is a whole different ballgame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 4 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: This was interesting from the same bloke. https://x.com/mikeygow/status/1767305259066479018?s=61&t=Yt8DTJJ-7Jh_ndgpdGSFKQ That’s just drivel tbh, charges have been brought against city. As for Chelsea charges will be brought next year if they can’t sell enough players ala forest. I know it’s twitter but the conspiracy theories should at least try and be accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, timeEd32 said: Liverpool remained at Anfield but found a way to double their matchday revenue via multiple expansions. I imagine we'll stay put if we can think can accomplish the same. But if you do that you definitely need a path to over £200m (today's money) in commercial revenue. I think we're well on our way to £100m, but doubling from there is a whole different ballgame. Absolutely, although I’m not sure an expansion can get us there, they will have to rejig the ground around to incorporate more corporate stuff. FMV really kills us commercially though, only so much big marketing dollars to go around why would you sponsor us if you can Liverpool for a bit more? They have far more reach than us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, r0cafella said: Absolutely, although I’m not sure an expansion can get us there, they will have to rejig the ground around to incorporate more corporate stuff. FMV really kills us commercially though, only so much big marketing dollars to go around why would you sponsor us if you can Liverpool for a bit more? They have far more reach than us. Yeah I don't know what's possible. It's going to have to be extremely creative. On the second point the only good answer I have is time. It takes time and results to build the type of brand required for these commercial numbers, and there's obviously a bit of a catch 22 in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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