Yankuba Minteh (now playing for Brighton & Hove Albion)

[kingxlnc]

Would definitely be happy to get rid of Longstaff, even if it's only 15m of pure profit

[mighty__mag]

5 hours ago, Keegans Export said:

 

If we sell Minteh for £30m, that'll be around £25m "profit". You reckon we're getting £25m for any of those three?

 

Wait and see what we do.

 

Everyone is just assuming things right now,

Forest paid high for Wood, Anderson is a bright prospect with potential sell on value after for them, if they profit on a big sale for MGW then Anderson could fill that void short or long term. 

I think everyone has got their knickers in a twist over Minteh, all because of this deadline approaching, and because the media have pushed that particular player as the sellable one, it could be anything or anyone, Newcastle of the past few years have surprised us with buying and selling, the media just push what they want, and most of us buy into everything they're saying.

 

Let's see what happens, I'd still love to see Minteh tested with us, and a player like Anderson, Miley, or Longstaff moved on. 

 

Good goal scoring wingers are tougher to find than your average midfield player.

 

 

Edited June 29, 2024 by mighty__mag

[Holloway]

I see it's up to a 7 point deduction if we fail to sell Minteh, might hit double figures by monday morning 

[Gawalls]

7 minutes ago, Holloway said:

I see it's up to a 7 point deduction if we fail to sell Minteh, might hit double figures by monday morning 

Where did you read that?

[Holloway]

It was a reply from a doom monger poster earlier 

[The College Dropout]

7 hours ago, The Prophet said:

 

1) We weren't stacked at left wing. We'd just sold ASM, Gordon hadn't nailed down a position in the starting eleven and the other lads who play there are CMs by trade.

 

2) From a PSR perspective, "trading" ASM for Barnes was a short term gain, at least for this set of accounts.

 

3) CM was an absolute priority last summer. On this point it feels like the club are damned if they do and damned if they don't, see the Marmadashvili v Trafford debate.

 

4) It's an interesting conversation. January saw us try to shift Miggy and Wilson over the backdrop of a squad decimated by injury.  Perhaps it skewed our thinking? Maybe it was always the plan to flip Minteh? We can only speculate. Villa, a well ran club have also got themselves into a similar position. We're both pushing PSR to the absolute limit to improve our squads.

We needed a RW more than we needed a LW. Lots of us said that at the time. 
 

ASM barely played yet we spent £40m for his replacement to sit on the bench. That doesn’t make sense. 
 

From a PSR and footballing perspective. Committing £60m for Barnes over the next 5 years was a bad idea considering we don’t have a viable RW option. 
 

We needed a CM. We didn’t need to spend £50m on a CM though.  
 

Ultimately the ends justify the means. If we managed to finish 4th and got to the CL QF we wouldn’t need to sell and we would say spending so much on the squad got us there. That didn’t happen. And with the transfers we made imo that was unlikely.  So you have to say that was a misjudgment and poor decision making.  the decision making in January seems to be even worse.  Someone needed to go. 

[Keegans Export]

21 minutes ago, Holloway said:

It was a reply from a doom monger poster earlier 

Me presumably? 

 

That was based on Everton's second deduction, the justification of which was published. 2pts for the breach, +3pts for a "substantial breach" of £16m. If we really are £30m over then is there not logic in what I suggested that 5-7pts is possible? 

[Holloway]

1 minute ago, Keegans Export said:

Me presumably? 

 

That was based on Everton's second deduction, the justification of which was published. 2pts for the breach, +3pts for a "substantial breach" of £16m. If we really are £30m over then is there not logic in what I suggested that 5-7pts is possible? 

Lets wait and see shall we, it"s fucking exhausting this , before we board for Japan

[Gawalls]

7 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

Me presumably? 

 

That was based on Everton's second deduction, the justification of which was published. 2pts for the breach, +3pts for a "substantial breach" of £16m. If we really are £30m over then is there not logic in what I suggested that 5-7pts is possible? 

Everton were charged for breaching it in 2021/22 season then charges again for ignoring this and overspending again in the next season as well.  It was two separate charges.

 

 

 Even if it was 10 points I’d prefer to keep Gordon personally.

[nufc123]

2 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

Even if it was 10 points I’d prefer to keep Gordon personally.

We will have the same problem next season if we finish 7th, and with 10 points behind from the start Europe is out of reach. Isak, Bruno and Gordon wont stay for another season with no Europe.

[jigen]

23 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We needed a RW more than we needed a LW. Lots of us said that at the time. 
 

ASM barely played yet we spent £40m for his replacement to sit on the bench. That doesn’t make sense. 
 

From a PSR and footballing perspective. Committing £60m for Barnes over the next 5 years was a bad idea considering we don’t have a viable RW option. 
 

We needed a CM. We didn’t need to spend £50m on a CM though.  
 

Ultimately the ends justify the means. If we managed to finish 4th and got to the CL QF we wouldn’t need to sell and we would say spending so much on the squad got us there. That didn’t happen. And with the transfers we made imo that was unlikely.  So you have to say that was a misjudgment and poor decision making.  the decision making in January seems to be even worse.  Someone needed to go. 

 

 

The mistake is to give the power to make the market to Howe. He is a great coach but a terrible manger. He knows only PL players and want PL players. Barnes was very expensive and totally unnecessary. And also Tonali: you needed a physical defensive midfielder, not Tonali. I wrote this already last year... And now he wants Calvert Lewin: another inflated signing. The club should make the market, never the coach. 

[Gawalls]

7 minutes ago, nufc123 said:

We will have the same problem next season if we finish 7th, and with 10 points behind from the start Europe is out of reach. Isak, Bruno and Gordon wont stay for another season with no Europe.

Then we get at least £200m for them - not ideal but we’ll survive.

[Gawalls]

Just now, jigen said:

 

 

The mistake is to give the power to make the market to Howe. He is a great coach but a terrible manger. He knows only PL players and want PL players. Barnes was very expensive and totally unnecessary. And also Tonali: you needed a physical defensive midfielder, not Tonali. I wrote this already last year... And now he wants Calvert Lewin: another inflated signing. The club should make the market, never the coach. 

So you’ve just ignored the signing of non prem players Bruno, isak and botman in that story. None of us have seen enough of Tonali yet so don’t close the score on him just yet.

 

 I’ve read in a few places that he’s looked amazing on the training ground and is raring to go.

[TRon]

35 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We needed a RW more than we needed a LW. Lots of us said that at the time. 
 

ASM barely played yet we spent £40m for his replacement to sit on the bench. That doesn’t make sense. 
 

From a PSR and footballing perspective. Committing £60m for Barnes over the next 5 years was a bad idea considering we don’t have a viable RW option. 
 

We needed a CM. We didn’t need to spend £50m on a CM though.  
 

Ultimately the ends justify the means. If we managed to finish 4th and got to the CL QF we wouldn’t need to sell and we would say spending so much on the squad got us there. That didn’t happen. And with the transfers we made imo that was unlikely.  So you have to say that was a misjudgment and poor decision making.  the decision making in January seems to be even worse.  Someone needed to go. 

 

I always got the impression we pushed our boat out for Barnes because Howe really likes him. He wasn't an investment signing like Livramento, Minteh or Hall, we went for him because he would make an immediate difference. In the end because he got injured along with other key members of the squad, he didn't have enough impact and the gamble failed if you look at it from the investment view. Now it seems we are having to sacrifice other players to pay for it.

[Guest]

16 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

We’ve spent £80m+ at LW.  £8m at RW and we’re selling him for 3/4x.  That doesn’t smell right. 

 

We spent money on LW as the two options were outcast (Fraser) and the one sellable, disposable player who'd allow money to be spent elsewhere (Maxi).

 

If Murphy and Miggy had upset Howe, and been able to fetch £25-30m, I dare say we'd have spent similar on the right.

 

Easy to forget how good Miggy was 22/23 and Murphy hasn't let us down either.

[Keegans Export]

23 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

Everton were charged for breaching it in 2021/22 season then charges again for ignoring this and overspending again in the next season as well.  It was two separate charges.

 

 Even if it was 10 points I’d prefer to keep Gordon personally.

Yes they were charged twice and it's the second one I'm talking about.

 

They were given 2pts for going over the limit, plus 3pts for it being £16m over. It got reduced because 1. They had already had points deducted 2. It was partly down to Usmanov being sanctioned

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

We spent money on LW as the two options were outcast (Fraser) and the one sellable, disposable player who'd allow money to be spent elsewhere (Maxi).

 

If Murphy and Miggy had upset Howe, and been able to fetch £25-30m, I dare say we'd have spent similar on the right.

 

Easy to forget how good Miggy was 22/23 and Murphy hasn't let us down either.

 

I think there was still quite a few who thought that we still needed a RW over a LW though, because of the one swallow not making a summer wrt Miggy. Most of us didn't rate Murphy that highly either, and he actually had a decent season. Doesn't change the fact that neither of them should be considered more than squad players.

[Guest]

Just now, TRon said:

 

I think there was still quite a few who thought that we still needed a RW over a LW though, because of the one swallow not making a summer wrt Miggy. Most of us didn't rate Murphy that highly either, and he actually had a decent season. Doesn't change the fact that neither of them should be considered more than squad players.

 

We went into last season with no Willock for 3 months, and no certainty how good Gordon was going to progress so quickly. 

[loki679]

Everybody knew we needed a RW

[Hanshithispantz]

10 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

I always got the impression we pushed our boat out for Barnes because Howe really likes him. He wasn't an investment signing like Livramento, Minteh or Hall, we went for him because he would make an immediate difference. In the end because he got injured along with other key members of the squad, he didn't have enough impact and the gamble failed if you look at it from the investment view. Now it seems we are having to sacrifice other players to pay for it.

How has "the gamble failed"?

 

He still plays for us. All of the players we've signed still play for us.

 

This bit isn't aimed at you, Tron, but for all the flapping on here about us making an apparent balls of this whole situation, the money we've spent has left us with one of the best teams in the league. Even if we don't buy anyone for the rest of the window, the upgrades we've made each window are still there.

 

 

Edited June 29, 2024 by Hanshithispantz

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

We went into last season with no Willock for 3 months, and no certainty how good Gordon was going to progress so quickly. 

 

I never really thought Gordon was any doubt tbh, pretty sure I backed him when we bought him, and thought he did more than well enough in his first season.

[Gawalls]

3 minutes ago, loki679 said:

Everybody knew we needed a RW

Did they? The season before miggy had scored 11 goals and there was a lot of worldies in there. He just went back to norm this season.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, loki679 said:

Everybody knew we needed a RW

 

We did, but we still had two RWs. We had one LW.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said:

How has "the gamble failed"?

 

He still plays for us. All of the players we've signed still play for us.

 

This bit isn't aimed at you, Tron, but for all the flapping on here about us making an apparent balls of this whole situation, the money we've spent has left us with one of the best teams in the league. Even if we don't buy anyone for the rest of the window, the upgrades we've made each window are still there.

 

 

 

 

That's why I specifically said it failed "from an investment " POV. As a player I still rate Barnes, but it was a gamble in the sense it gave us two top class LW options and no genuine class RW ones. If we had qualified for some form of Europe you could say it paid off. We didn't and in that sense it failed, and we are now having to sell players we'd rather have held onto. At least it looks that way.

[Kid Icarus]

The temptation to do a mocking TBG style post is getting harder and harder like.