Novocastrian Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 31 minutes ago, Beth said: Love to have been a fly on the wall in his house tonight. I wonder if he actually cared either way? If there were two flies he’d have a bet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Even more than wanting qualifying for CL - I wanted us to get one over Milan for this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Personally think the 'addiction' part is fabrication to try and reduce the punishment by playing against mental health and sympathy I have no evidence of this, but it's what I'd do if I genuinely fucked up something in my recent past that affects my livelihood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, janpawel said: Personally think the 'addiction' part is fabrication to try and reduce the punishment by playing against mental health and sympathy I have no evidence of this, but it's what I'd do if I genuinely fucked up something in my recent past that affects my livelihood Probably says a lot more about you than Tonali. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Magpie Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, janpawel said: Personally think the 'addiction' part is fabrication to try and reduce the punishment by playing against mental health and sympathy I have no evidence of this, but it's what I'd do if I genuinely fucked up something in my recent past that affects my livelihood By his agent would be my guess. He just made a mistake that any super rich 20yr old could make. I don't think anything remotely similar will ever happen again. Everything I am seeing suggest he is a thorough proffesional at heart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, LiquidAK said: Probably says a lot more about you than Tonali. Fair. But would you not consider such thing if you were in his shoes, knowing the punishment could have been at worst 3 years banned (I think that's what I read)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Irish Magpie said: By his agent would be my guess. He just made a mistake that any super rich 20yr old could make. I don't think anything remotely similar will ever happen again. Everything I am seeing suggest he is a thorough proffesional at heart. Aye, I'm sure he was advised on what to say for his best interests Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 minute ago, janpawel said: Fair. But would you not consider such thing if you were in his shoes, knowing the punishment could have been at worst 3 years banned (I think that's what I read)? Sure, but given we have no reason to make an assumption about how genuine his illness is I'd prefer to give the lad the benefit of the doubt. The club are thankfully doing the same and will support him throughout this. Fans should do likewise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Could have done with him in recent weeks . He owes us big time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 I can't shake the feeling he joined us as a club to sit out his ban at, rather than actually wanting to leave his boyhood club for a new challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, LiquidAK said: Sure, but given we have no reason to make an assumption about how genuine his illness is I'd prefer to give the lad the benefit of the doubt. The club are thankfully doing the same and will support him throughout this. Fans should do likewise. I agree with the poster who said it's made up and that's the only reason I'd keep him as you'd think everything will be OK after the ban. If the story is true then I'd get rid as the risk of reoffending again is too great to take. Edited December 14, 2023 by macphisto Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GideonShandy Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 23 minutes ago, Sean said: I can't shake the feeling he joined us as a club to sit out his ban at, rather than actually wanting to leave his boyhood club for a new challenge. Maybe. See if he puts in a transfer request next August. Doubt any club would match the salary we're paying him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 2 hours ago, nemtizz said: Images circulating of him gan mental when Chuk scored the winner. Heard he got caught cackling and waving his Coral slip in Mandy's face at full time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
500bhp Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 23 minutes ago, Sean said: I can't shake the feeling he joined us as a club to sit out his ban at, rather than actually wanting to leave his boyhood club for a new challenge. I'm the same. Everyone wins apart from us. Tonali doubles his wage, Milan get £55m to reinvest in the team and they also move the ticking time bomb which is an impending ban onto a patsy club....us. Milan is his boyclub team and he'll do anything to help them according to their Ultras. It's like us selling Longstaff to Juve for £55m and transferring the ban risk over to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 36 minutes ago, macphisto said: I agree with the poster who said it's made up and that's the only reason I'd keep him as you'd think everything will be OK after the ban. If the story is true then I'd get rid as the risk of reoffending again is too great to take. Delighted you have no input into the club's decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Dokko said: Had Milan 2-1. Was buzzing. ‘What do you mean I’m getting another ban? I wasn’t playing, surely I’m alright?’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 47 minutes ago, 500bhp said: I'm the same. Everyone wins apart from us. Tonali doubles his wage, Milan get £55m to reinvest in the team and they also move the ticking time bomb which is an impending ban onto a patsy club....us. Milan is his boyclub team and he'll do anything to help them according to their Ultras. It's like us selling Longstaff to Juve for £55m and transferring the ban risk over to them. It’s not like. Tonali isn’t a Milan youth product. They bought him 3 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Wish he was playing for us right now. Needed him this week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) We don’t know if he’s a gambling addict or not. Defences of him and finger pointing at him on that basis are futile - though I do agree that not everyone who gets into trouble or does something stupid because of gambling is an addict. In the same way that not everyone who does something stupid when drunk is an alcoholic. Besides, being a gambling addict doesn’t mean that you have to bet on football matches, particularly ones you’re playing in. There’s loads of ways to feed that addiction. Tonali acted like a selfish, spoiled little shite to do what he’s done - and both he and his agent were certainly aware of what he’d been up to, whether Milan were or not. And yes, there is the ‘well would you have told Newcastle’. I might not have - but I wouldn’t have signed with it over my head. Integrity and ethics do actually exist for some of us. And if I’m being completely frank, the only reason he has been indulged by the club instead of run out on his arse is because they’d just committed serious wedge to him and his transfer. If this was Matt Ritchie or Paul Dummett or some youth team player, they wouldn’t even feel the door slam behind them, they’d be booted so quickly. The club had no choice but to support him - I’m not convinced this support is due to how lovely and cuddly they all are. Edit: gambling addiction is a very real and very horrible thing. Don’t take from the above that I don’t think it exists. It does. Edited December 14, 2023 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 45 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: It’s not like. Tonali isn’t a Milan youth product. They bought him 3 years ago. It is in principle. Tonali is a Milan fan, whether he came through their set up or not. Maybe Jacob Murphy would be a closer simile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 hour ago, LiquidAK said: Delighted you have no input into the club's decisions. Delighted you're avoiding the points I made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, macphisto said: Delighted you're avoiding the points I made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 38 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: We don’t know if he’s a gambling addict or not. Defences of him and finger pointing at him on that basis are futile - though I do agree that not everyone who gets into trouble or does something stupid because of gambling is an addict. In the same way that not everyone who does something stupid when drunk is an alcoholic. Besides, being a gambling addict doesn’t mean that you have to bet on football matches, particularly ones you’re playing in. There’s loads of ways to feed that addiction. Tonali acted like a selfish, spoiled little shite to do what he’s done - and both he and his agent were certainly aware of what he’d been up to, whether Milan were or not. And yes, there is the ‘well would you have told Newcastle’. I might not have - but I wouldn’t have signed with it over my head. Integrity and ethics do actually exist for some of us. And if I’m being completely frank, the only reason he has been indulged by the club instead of run out on his arse is because they’d just committed serious wedge to him and his transfer. If this was Matt Ritchie or Paul Dummett or some youth team player, they wouldn’t even feel the door slam behind them, they’d be booted so quickly. The club had no choice but to support him - I’m not convinced this support is due to how lovely and cuddly they all are. Edit: gambling addiction is a very real and very horrible thing. Don’t take from the above that I don’t think it exists. It does. Nah. Very confident the club would back any of our players going through this regardless of their monetary value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Just now, LiquidAK said: Nah. Very confident the club would back any of our players going through this regardless of their monetary value. I mean, you’d hope so (allowing for it being a diagnosed addiction). But I also don’t think they had a choice with Tonali. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: I mean, you’d hope so (allowing for it being a diagnosed addiction). But I also don’t think they had a choice with Tonali. No choice. 5 year contract and just purchased. WTF was the other choice? Sell low or release on a free? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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