The Butcher Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) Hard to look good in a struggling side when you're in and out of the team all the time. He should start every single game imo. Give him a proper run in the side. Edited 4 hours ago by The Butcher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Spending thick end of 90 million on him and Barnes and not starting them whilst we're crying out for a right winger, striker and centre back seems an odd decision now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago (edited) Why does Barnes continue to keep getting mentioned like he isn't doing what he's supposed to? Baffling Edited 3 hours ago by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergio Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Getting close to Pardew levels of man management with Ben Arfa, this. Dropped for inferior players then sent out to show us some "magic" in 25-30 mins. Juventus already sniffing around to sign him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, Sergio said: Getting close to Pardew levels of man management with Ben Arfa, this. Dropped for inferior players then sent out to show us some "magic" in 25-30 mins. Juventus already sniffing around to sign him. Would bite their hands off for our money back personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 2 hours ago, Ikon said: Tonali wasn't very good at all overall last season. This season however when he has looked very good at times he hasn't exactly been rewarded with playing time despite having done well earlier as well as showing great form for Italy.Judging him on last night is absolutely laughable considering the circumstances. We looked all over the place and like headless chickens. Howe's very odd changes definitely didn't help. I think he helped us change the game against Wolves (I think it was) and Forest after he came on. We were poor in those first halves, and were playing very well in the second. Even when he does well from the bench he's just seen as someone who does well against tired legs.. Not easy to change the game when you come on, you can't do much more when you're not starting. Edited 1 hour ago by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 10 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: That’s fair enough I think. It would be a disaster for the club if he doesn’t work out. I of course hope he does - I’m just not confident at the moment I think giving Gordon a long run in the team looks disastrous atm, but he's still starting. I wish we gave Tonali the same chance, but I thinw we don't simply because he's a new guy. We don't give many second chances to newer players. Edited 54 minutes ago by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago (edited) Tonali isn’t the problem! Has done very well for us mostly. Never mind Italy where he has dominated against the likes of France. I want more playing depth for both him and Bruno. Not Willock who’s mostly effective when there’s a lot of transitions. I want another type. Think this would help both Bruno and Tonali as well as making us less predictable. Preferably some creative player out wide too. Not just a direct runner type of player like Gordon and Barnes. Someone different with a bit of flair. I’ve been going on about quite a lot I know. It would help Isak immensely too. We are too easy to predict and most of our patterns are the same. A player out wide where the opposition would have to double/triple up would do wonders alone as a whole. Edited 1 hour ago by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Just now, Ikon said: Tonali isn’t the problem! Hmm, he doesn't fit our team and cost a lot. I don't think he's personally the problem but is he the solution ? As of right now he's the worst signing the club has made, objectively speaking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, Ikon said: Tonali isn’t the problem! This - we are crying out for a formation change - 4231 - Bruno and Tonali as the 2 - Big Joe ahead as the freelance 10 - Gordon left and Barnes right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Hmm, he doesn't fit our team and cost a lot. I don't think he's personally the problem but is he the solution ? As of right now he's the worst signing the club has made, objectively speaking. He hasn’t really played a lot with say Bruno and Willock for example. That would give us some sort of playing depth and balance imo. Even if Willock isn’t the type of attacking midfielder I want unless there’s lots of transitions and space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 8 minutes ago, Ikon said: He hasn’t really played a lot with say Bruno and Willock for example. That would give us some sort of playing depth and balance imo. Even if Willock isn’t the type of attacking midfielder I want unless there’s lots of transitions and space. Indeed he hasn't played a lot and has pulled up trees when he has. Admittedly his start to his career with us has been less than ideal. I'm not saying he's bad, I think he's really good but I'm not sure he fits us and obviously he cost a fortune and he's on big money. Let's hope he's just doing Eddie's trademark easing period and he comes and shines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted 59 minutes ago Share Posted 59 minutes ago 34 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Would bite their hands off for our money back personally. Italian Clubs will pay that 55m over the next 25 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted 51 minutes ago Share Posted 51 minutes ago 8 minutes ago, Menace said: Italian Clubs will pay that 55m over the next 25 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted 28 minutes ago Share Posted 28 minutes ago 47 minutes ago, Ikon said: Tonali isn’t the problem! Has done very well for us mostly. Never mind Italy where he has dominated against the likes of France. I want more playing depth for both him and Bruno. Not Willock who’s mostly effective when there’s a lot of transitions. I want another type. Think this would help both Bruno and Tonali as well as making us less predictable. Preferably some creative player out wide too. Not just a direct runner type of player like Gordon and Barnes. Someone different with a bit of flair. I’ve been going on about quite a lot I know. It would help Isak immensely too. We are too easy to predict and most of our patterns are the same. A player out wide where the opposition would have to double/triple up would do wonders alone as a whole. Has he though? There's been the odd tidy performance but I'm not really sure what we're missing with him out of the team. I've no beef with the guy, just looks like he wasn't the CM we needed. Still early days to some extent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted 19 minutes ago Share Posted 19 minutes ago (edited) 9 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Has he though? There's been the odd tidy performance but I'm not really sure what we're missing with him out of the team. I've no beef with the guy, just looks like he wasn't the CM we needed. Still early days to some extent. Yes he has imo. The very few times he has started as well as coming on. At least I’ve seen tons of quality. Not saying he has been amazing every minute he has played, definitely not. The quality has been there to see clear as a day imo. Iffy team performances here and there and other players out of form at times certainly hasn’t helped us as a team in general. I just think that the space between our flat midfield and Isak doesn’t help him or Bruno at all. No playing depth. Both can be very good progressive passing players but there’s not many shorter options to play through the lines, as if we had a more triangular shape with some depth. We go wide 9/10. Also makes Isak quite isolated. Edited 18 minutes ago by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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