NUFC Transfer Rumours

[jigen]

Palace have top scouts.
Tomás Araújo has top potential. Super fast and technical. Lacroix and Tomás Araujo are two smarts deals. This is if you search abroad and not only in the PL market. 

[Zero]

Just now, gdm said:

you keep doubling down on this but absolutely no one other that an ex employee of the club wanted to sell Joelinton. It was never an option.

Nah stop it. I don’t want to continue here. Basically everyone just try to ignore the PSR issue. Wait till next June then. 

 

Last summer we all said we would be fine, trust the management, we wouldn’t over spent. No worries. What happened last June? Oh yea this time they said “we won’t let it happen again”, but the amortised loss is still here isn’t it? We started this financial year with a huge loss again. It’s just hard facts. 
 

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

1 minute ago, jigen said:

Palace have top scouts.
Tomás Araújo has top potential. Super fast and technical. Lacroix and Tomás Araujo are two smarts deals. This is if you search abroad and not only in the PL market. 

It also really helps if you’re Crystal Palace who have no pressure or expectation on where you finish In the league. I mean is it any wonder clubs in our respective positions are looking in different markets? Can we afford to have young centre backs learn their trade for a season or two in our first team?

[Zero]

5 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

But big Joe is much better than either of Minteh and Anderson. 

You have to change your mindset if you really want to comply with PSR. It’s the squad value that you have to manage, instead of just focusing on the quality of starting eleven 

 

sounds bullshit, but that’s what it should be under PSR. Anyway just stop it here

[SUPERTOON]

6 minutes ago, jigen said:

Palace have top scouts.
Tomás Araújo has top potential. Super fast and technical. Lacroix and Tomás Araujo are two smarts deals. This is if you search abroad and not only in the PL market. 

Why don’t you apply for the scout job, you seem to know every good player in Europe.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Zero said:

Nah stop it. I don’t want to continue here. Basically everyone just try to ignore the PSR issue. Wait till next June then. 

 

Last summer we all said we would be fine, trust the management, we wouldn’t over spent. No worries. What happened last June? Oh yea this time they said “we won’t let it happen again”, but the amortised loss is still here isn’t it? We started this financial year with a huge loss again. It’s just hard facts. 
 

And we were fine, ultimately the problem with posters like yourself is you seem to miss the nuance of the situation. Kind noises aside the club were perfectly comfortable with losing both Anderson and Minteh. You may wonder that is but it’s quite straightforward. We need to invest in our team to go to the next level in order to do so we have to player trade and that’s exactly what happened. 
 

We made 5x in a year on Minteh and the proceeds of that deal paid for Tonali, Tino Hall, Barnes Isak Gordon. 
 

It’s what we have to do, stop using it’s a stick to beat the club with, if they want to progress they have no choice. 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Zero said:

You have to change your mindset if you really want to comply with PSR. It’s the squad value that you have to manage, instead of just focusing on the quality of starting eleven 

 

sounds bullshit, but that’s what it should be under PSR. Anyway just stop it here

Brother; nobody has written more about PSR on this forum than me, so please pull the over one. 

[Zero]

9 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

And we were fine, ultimately the problem with posters like yourself is you seem to miss the nuance of the situation. Kind noises aside the club were perfectly comfortable with losing both Anderson and Minteh. You may wonder that is but it’s quite straightforward. We need to invest in our team to go to the next level in order to do so we have to player trade and that’s exactly what happened. 
 

We made 5x in a year on Minteh and the proceeds of that deal paid for Tonali, Tino Hall, Barnes Isak Gordon. 
 

It’s what we have to do, stop using it’s a stick to beat the club with, if they want to progress they have no choice. 

I genuinely won’t say what happened last June is “FINE”. If that’s fine to you, fine.

 

If that happens in my company, the PIC will be accountable and sacked.

 

 

Edited August 21, 2024 by Zero

[Dr.Spaceman]

You'd think we were due a decent points deduction the way some of our critical thinkers are going on 

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

8 minutes ago, Zero said:

You have to change your mindset if you really want to comply with PSR. It’s the squad value that you have to manage, instead of just focusing on the quality of starting eleven 

 

sounds bullshit, but that’s what it should be under PSR. Anyway just stop it here

 the two are not exclusive, you’re comparing selling an almost guaranteed first 11 player when fit, to a lad who had never kicked a ball for us and someone who was at best 3rd choice in each position he covered. As annoying as it was, the decision made was a no brainer, particularly given the relative profit in PSR terms they both generated.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Zero said:

I genuinely won’t say what happened last June is “FINE”. It’s that fine you you, fine.

What was the alternative? Sell your best players. 
 

We have to player trade and as you are no doubt are aware, the best players to trade with are those with little or no book value. 

[gdm]

14 minutes ago, Zero said:

Nah stop it. I don’t want to continue here. Basically everyone just try to ignore the PSR issue. Wait till next June then. 

 

Last summer we all said we would be fine, trust the management, we wouldn’t over spent. No worries. What happened last June? Oh yea this time they said “we won’t let it happen again”, but the amortised loss is still here isn’t it? We started this financial year with a huge loss again. It’s just hard facts. 
 

Im not ignoring the PSR issue but you are throwing out scenarios that don’t exist. We didn’t want to sell Joelinton and there were no offers for him. 
 

I’m one of the most gutted about Minteh leaving but it was the only option. Deadline day stuff. Do you seriously think we’d have discussions about selling Gordon if selling Joelinton was any kind of option. IMO the club made a cunt of things to get in such a mess but made the best decisions to get out of it and I’m absolutely gutted Minteh was sold him & Gordon either side of Isak would have been so exciting but we cannot just make things up. Joelinton was never being sold and I’m glad he wasn’t. 

[Zero]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

What was the alternative? Sell your best players. 
 

We have to player trade and as you are no doubt are aware, the best players to trade with are those with little or no book value. 

That’s exactly what PSR limit your growth path and you have to sell your best players at max value, reinvest into a few more prospects and wait till their value maxed out again. In fact it’s very similar to the Spurs model, how they become the Big 6. Of course Spurs wanted to keep Carrick, Modric Bale etc but they didn’t, instead they fully made good use of the proceeds and invested into much more prospects and youth team.

 

keeping hold of your best players for too long will only limits your capacity to improve your team for the next few windows. Of course we all wants to have the best team available for the upcoming season so we have the best shot for league position but that’s very risky for long term squad building. That why I said we better hope Howe did a magic again or we would be in great trouble.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Zero said:

That’s exactly what PSR limit your growth path and you have to sell your best players at max value, reinvest into a few more prospects and wait till their value maxed out again. In fact it’s very similar to the Spurs model, how they become the Big 6. Of course Spurs wanted to keep Carrick, Modric Bale etc but they didn’t, instead they fully made good use of the proceeds and invested into much more prospects and youth team.

 

keeping hold of your best players for too long will only limits your capacity to improve your team for the next few windows. Of course we all wants to have the best team available for the upcoming season so we have the best shot for league position but that’s very risky for long term squad building. That why I said we better hope Howe did a magic again or we would be in great trouble.

You said sell Joelinton for 30m how would that be )good? It would be a disaster. Yes we have to trade but at maximum value 30m certainly isn’t that. He’s one of the best midfielders in the league if you can’t get 75m + for him you keep him. 
 

The end of June was certainly chaotic but it worked out perfectly, we didn’t weaken ourselves much and remained complaint, on top of that one of our worst performing financial years has dropped off and will be replaced by one which is likely break even. 
 

You can ask anyone on this forum if they have rather lost Joelinton or Minteh and you will be lucky to find 10 people who think letting Joe go instead would be a good move. 

[Zero]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

You said sell Joelinton for 30m how would that be )good? It would be a disaster. Yes we have to trade but at maximum value 30m certainly isn’t that. He’s one of the best midfielders in the league if you can’t get 75m + for him you keep him. 
 

The end of June was certainly chaotic but it worked out perfectly, we didn’t weaken ourselves much and remained complaint, on top of that one of our worst performing financial years has dropped off and will be replaced by one which is likely break even. 
 

You can ask anyone on this forum if they have rather lost Joelinton or Minteh and you will be lucky to find 10 people who think letting Joe go instead would be a good move. 

The reason why Joe is just worth 30m is that we already hold for too long….. I know people still hasn’t realised this but Bruno is probably too late to sell already, same case as Joelinton. Now tell me once Joe and Bruno started to decline two to three years later, where is the capacity we needed to replace them? No. There’s none, unless we are able to find a few more Minteh, who we are only able to find once in what? 30 years?

 

we won’t be breakeven this year. We already started at a loss after player amortisation, and same for next year. The picture is really not as rosy as you think bro.

 

you either sacrifice the short term league position for a more stable / healthy long term growth, or vice versa, and hope the extra revenue from ECL could cover that. The latter route involves much higher risk but seems we already made the choice.

[The Prophet]

As much as I detest the way of thinking, next couple of summers are probably the peak tine to sell Bruno from a PSR perspective.

[STM]

Just now, The Prophet said:

As much as I detest the way of thinking, next couple of summers are probably the peak tine to sell Bruno from a PSR perspective.

 

I'm wondering whether the ship has sailed. I think we might have contemplated it but now we are all I'm on him staying, hence the captain thing.

[Zero]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

As much as I detest the way of thinking, next couple of summers are probably the peak tine to sell Bruno from a PSR perspective.

I detest that way of operation too but there’s no choice. Man City has my full support for the legal case

[WilliamPS]

This is a bonkers discussion. Bruno is entering his prime and is an elite player, these are the players you want. How would you ever expect to compete at the top if you get rid of your best players before they peak? That would mean other teams were always stronger.

 

As a club that isn’t competing realistically to win the PL and isn’t in the CL then sometimes a sale will be forced, but that’s a growing pain not an ambition.

 

I don’t think Ashworth planned to sell Joelinton either. It was Staveley and Howe who came out with the “if there’s no new contract it has to be a sale” stuff IIRC, and it was just a statement of the obvious- under PSR you can’t let assets leave for nothing. 

 

 

Edited August 21, 2024 by WilliamPS

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

As much as I detest the way of thinking, next couple of summers are probably the peak tine to sell Bruno from a PSR perspective.

From that angle this summer and next. But as other clubs have shown you don’t have to sell your best players. Liverpool haven’t since Coutinho. 

[Zero]

1 minute ago, STM said:

 

I'm wondering whether the ship has sailed. I think we might have contemplated it but now we are all I'm on him staying, hence the captain thing.

yea likely he will stay till 30 now, unless Real Madrid or Barca steps in.

 

hence in the next few windows, if we encounter the PSR issue again, Miley / Gordon will likely be the one to be sold.

[Nucasol]

I think we have to be accepting that within the PSR constraints we potentially need to sell a purple once every couple of years to allow headroom. If we don’t, and can’t grow, we run the risk of losing them anyway. I’d rather be a seller on our terms akin to Palace with Guehi than a fire sale seller like us last June.

[gdm]

9 minutes ago, Zero said:

The reason why Joe is just worth 30m is that we already hold for too long….. I know people still hasn’t realised this but Bruno is probably too late to sell already, same case as Joelinton

No disrespect intended but I’ve been on this forum nearly 20 years and that’s up there with the biggest load of bollocks I’ve read on here 

[christ]

Minteh did exactly what he was meant to do - arrive, increase in value and get flipped for a big profit. Our treatment of him from the moment he signed made it very transparent. He was a PSR parachute. 

 

The reason that clubs are going down the route of trading youth is that it’s an inherently less risky approach than selling your best players and hoping you can reinvest in equivalent quality.

[Terrymac1966]

Thought this was the transfers rumours thread not a PSR discussion.

Back on track I think either of the new names mentioned if halving the ask for Geuhi would allow funds for a decent RW too

That would be good shopping by Mitchell

Tosoba looks great and is a threat from set pieces too...Disabi has been Chelsea'd and is way better than second or third choice so go for it Mitch lad.