NUFC Transfer Rumours

[80]

1 hour ago, Erikse said:

 

The problem then becomes depth at LW. Last season Gordon played an incredible amount of minutes, partly due to the Barnes injury, but if Gordon would have been injured we wouldn't have a natural LW to cover. We can use Joelinton there, but then we're just moving the problem to midfield instead. It seemed as if we had to sell ASM to buy anyone, and that left us short in that position. The ideal thing would have been to get a young but ready LW for a cheap price on top of an RW, but we couldn't even get a reasonably priced third choice striker for this season.. Indeed we are weak on the right, but atleast we have a couple of players who are natural right wingers. From a depth perspective an LW made more sense, just not from a first 11 perspective. Added games from CL was definetly a consideration. Maybe we should've tried to find someone cheaper than Barnes for that role, and save the rest of the money instead, as I think Howe still had a lot of faith in Gordon.

 

 

 

It's definitely nice to have Barnes, but at the beginning of last season, potential alternates would've been Gordon, Joelinton, Willock, Anderson, Hall and even Almiron. Plus Isak, as per our CL qualifying season. So - allowing for the fact we got smashed by injuries - our depth there was pretty respectable  compared to what we had in other areas, and stronger than what Howe would willingly use for RW.

[Whitley mag]

The problem with our transfer approach is that we’ve turned our noses up at the foreign market’s due to being risk averse and as Mitchell has insinuated the recruitment isn’t fit for purpose.

 

We’ve approached transfers as if we are already on an equal financial footing with top 6, whereby we’ll let another club take the risk then we’ll pay the premium to get a PL ready no risk option, unfortunately due to PSR this model doesn’t work for us yet.

 

Very confident Mitchell will overhaul this and the young Georgian lad is hopefully just the start. I’m fully expecting more signings from the likes of France in the 20 to 30 million category, the difference will be if they turn out well, unlike Brighton we’ll have the finances to keep them and build.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by Whitley mag

[Sibierski]

5 hours ago, Erikse said:

 

The problem then becomes depth at LW. Last season Gordon played an incredible amount of minutes, partly due to the Barnes injury, but if Gordon would have been injured we wouldn't have a natural LW to cover. We can use Joelinton there, but then we're just moving the problem to midfield instead. It seemed as if we had to sell ASM to buy anyone, and that left us short in that position. The ideal thing would have been to get a young but ready LW for a cheap price on top of an RW, but we couldn't even get a reasonably priced third choice striker for this season.. Indeed we are weak on the right, but atleast we have a couple of players who are natural right wingers. From a depth perspective an LW made more sense, just not from a first 11 perspective. Added games from CL was definetly a consideration. Maybe we should've tried to find someone cheaper than Barnes for that role, and save the rest of the money instead, as I think Howe still had a lot of faith in Gordon.

 

 

 

We had a number of players who could cover LW, just would mean needing to be creative elsewhere.

 

Isak / Joelinton / Anderson were all capable of playing there. Meant then signing a ST / RW, but as been touched on previously, Barnes was the opportunistic move which Howe would’ve endorsed with Staveley backing and the rest is history.

 

Would expect those types of deals don’t happen again now.

[Keegans Export]

1 hour ago, Whitley mag said:

The problem with our transfer approach is that we’ve turned our noses up at the foreign market’s due to being risk averse and as Mitchell has insinuated the recruitment isn’t fit for purpose.

 

We’ve approached transfers as if we are already on an equal financial footing with top 6, whereby we’ll let another club take the risk then we’ll pay the premium to get a PL ready no risk option, unfortunately due to PSR this model doesn’t work for us yet.

 

Very confident Mitchell will overhaul this and the young Georgian lad is hopefully just the start. I’m fully expecting more signings from the likes of France in the 20 to 30 million category, the difference will be if they turn out well, unlike Brighton we’ll have the finances to keep them and build.

 

That's why the push back against Mitchell for being critical of our transfer activity surprised me.

 

We got ourselves into a position where we were scrabbling about trying to sell, making daft deals with Forest to avoid what that club apparently thought could be a 10pt deduction. 

 

Despite running things that close, we still seem to have such a poorly balanced squad, lacking quality in key areas and seemingly devoid of any flexibility from a tactical point of view.

 

If Mitchell pissed anyone at the club off by pointing that out then maybe they should have a look at themselves first.

[SUPERTOON]

2 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

The problem with our transfer approach is that we’ve turned our noses up at the foreign market’s due to being risk averse and as Mitchell has insinuated the recruitment isn’t fit for purpose.

 

We’ve approached transfers as if we are already on an equal financial footing with top 6, whereby we’ll let another club take the risk then we’ll pay the premium to get a PL ready no risk option, unfortunately due to PSR this model doesn’t work for us yet.

 

Very confident Mitchell will overhaul this and the young Georgian lad is hopefully just the start. I’m fully expecting more signings from the likes of France in the 20 to 30 million category, the difference will be if they turn out well, unlike Brighton we’ll have the finances to keep them and build.

 

 

 

I hope you’re right, however the noise coming out regarding the January transfer window aren’t suggesting this at all.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I must have missed us turning our nose up at the foreign market

 

The whole spine of Botman, Bruno and Isak (plus Tonali) came from…? 

[SUPERTOON]

10 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I must have missed us turning our nose up at the foreign market

 

The whole spine of Botman, Bruno and Isak (plus Tonali) came from…? 

Didn’t Mitchell allude to it himself in his interview? I think we definitely favour the home market. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Tonali deal put us off looking abroad summer just gone.

[r0cafella]

12 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I must have missed us turning our nose up at the foreign market

 

The whole spine of Botman, Bruno and Isak (plus Tonali) came from…? 

I think it's becoming increasingly obvious that we value British players and premier league highly, probably higher than anyone else in the league. How you interpret this is up to you mind. 

[Matt1892]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

I think it's becoming increasingly obvious that we value British players and premier league highly, probably higher than anyone else in the league. How you interpret this is up to you mind. 

 

In the last 2 years, we have signed the following players that have appeared in a match day squad…

 

Gordon

Ashby

Livramento

Barnes

Hall

Kelly

Osula 

Vlachodimos

Ruddy

 

Tonali

[500bhp]

39 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

 

In the last 2 years, we have signed the following players that have appeared in a match day squad…

 

Gordon

Ashby

Livramento

Barnes

Hall

Kelly

Osula 

Vlachodimos

Ruddy

 

Tonali

Too right. Why pay £18m for someone like Duran with no PL experience when you can sign Osula for £15m 😫

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Why pick just 2 years?

[Matt1892]

16 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Why pick just 2 years?

Because the feeling is that we have moved away from signings from foreign leagues, which the last 2 years demonstrates to be true.

 

Going back further to a time when we did sign more players from foreign leagues doesn’t mean we haven’t moved away from doing so now.

 

 

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Matt1892 said:

Because the feeling is that we have moved away from signings from foreign leagues, which the last 2 years demonstrates to be true.

 

Going back further to a time when we did sign more players from foreign leagues doesn’t mean we haven’t moved away from doing so now.

 

I haven't picked up that nuance, usually it's just 'Howe only likes English players'.

[Erikse]

5 hours ago, Sibierski said:

We had a number of players who could cover LW, just would mean needing to be creative elsewhere.

 

Isak / Joelinton / Anderson were all capable of playing there. Meant then signing a ST / RW, but as been touched on previously, Barnes was the opportunistic move which Howe would’ve endorsed with Staveley backing and the rest is history.

 

Would expect those types of deals don’t happen again now.

 

Last season we had a midfield crisis, whenever Joelinton was available we would've had a huge problem if Gordon was also out. Isak can cover LW, but I have never been impressed by him there. He seems wasted there. On top of that Wilson is never fit, so if Gordon is out aswell, Isak can't just cover both. Relying on playing players out of position is only really viable if you can afford to have less depth in other positions.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by Erikse

[Erikse]

9 hours ago, 80 said:

It's definitely nice to have Barnes, but at the beginning of last season, potential alternates would've been Gordon, Joelinton, Willock, Anderson, Hall and even Almiron. Plus Isak, as per our CL qualifying season. So - allowing for the fact we got smashed by injuries - our depth there was pretty respectable  compared to what we had in other areas, and stronger than what Howe would willingly use for RW.

 

Likewise we can play Gordon on the right and Barnes on the left. It's not ideal, but it's not exactly ideal to play some of the ones you mentioned out of position either, especially when we lack depth in several positions. I suppose the perfect scenario would've been to sign a player who was best at right wing, but could also cover left wing pretty well when needed.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by Erikse

[mondonewc]

1 hour ago, 500bhp said:

Too right. Why pay £18m for someone like Duran with no PL experience when you can sign Osula for £15m 😫

Villa rejected £43m + % of future sale offer from West Ham in the Summer

[JEToon]

It made an absolute load of sense to sign a raft of English players and build a young core to the side, more so with making the Champions League. 

 

We had to meet measures in terms of HG players or we would have been in the absolute mud.

 

We have a club that was neglected for years in terms of relevant care, investment and love in youth so we are playing catch up on that front in terms of players as well, we had to some degree manufacture youth and home grown players, and it cost a lot of money 

 

With putting in place a core of young English players it means we can expand on markets we can look at to compliment them 

 

Not to go little Englander either but I like us having an English core and players and a bit of local personality in the squad. 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by JEToon

[Dr.Spaceman]

I like the Britishness of our signings, it raises our profile having a few home internationals in our first team and further down the line I'm positive we'll see Lewis Hall in there too. I wouldn't like us to be one of those clubs that churns through average foreign players every year, regardless of how good some of them would be, it would feel a little soulless. Having said that, we do miss out on a few players that end up at clubs that are perceived lesser than us that would strengthen our squad. This is where I think Mitchell will end up showing his worth, striking a balance between what Eddie Howe wants and what the majority of the rest of us want. It's nowt new though, we've seen some class players sign for some woeful clubs over the years whilst we've soldiered on with the likes of a 45 year old Lee Clark in the middle or a one-legged Michael Bridges on the right wing.

[80]

1 hour ago, Erikse said:

 

Likewise we can play Gordon on the right and Barnes on the left. It's not ideal, but it's not exactly ideal to play some of the ones you mentioned out of position either, especially when we lack depth in several positions. I suppose the perfect scenario would've been to sign a player who was best at right wing, but could also cover left wing pretty well when needed.

 

 

 

Yeah that's pretty much it, as I say, it wasn't strictly a problem with Barnes, it's just having a RW who could cover LW would've been better than having an extra LW who could cover RW.

[Nine]

The strategy was always pretty clear - minimise risk by targeting PL proven players. In the current FFP climate if we go big on foreign players and miss once or twice it could seriously set us back however..

 

We then decided to go and play chicken with Crystal Palace over Guehi with no back up plan? Avoiding risk by gambling on one player which did not pay off.

 

Summer was such a mess.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by Nine

[rebelrouser]

Gordon and Barnes at LW when each can cover RW and Gordon can play striker is what we should be building toward. Focussing on Geuhi while ignoring RW is not. We could have signed a young RCB as cover for Schar and gone after a RW in the summer window. We had at least 65M to spend in the summer. Not improving RW becasue we can't get good money for Miggy is insane.  Who cares? As for disparing Brighton; at least they had a quality signing at RW in the summer.  

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, rebelrouser said:

Gordon and Barnes at LW when each can cover RW and Gordon can play striker is what we should be building toward. Focussing on Geuhi while ignoring RW is not. We could have signed a young RCB as cover for Schar and gone after a RW in the summer window. We had at least 65M to spend in the summer. Not improving RW becasue we can't get good money for Miggy is insane.  Who cares? As for disparing Brighton; at least they had a quality signing at RW in the summer.  

Neither Gordon or Barnes are comfortable RW though. I think it’s clear Howe doesn’t want one of them out there either.

[JEToon]

The intent of Gordon and Barnes was great, still is, we should absolutely want two players of that quality fighting it out for a place. 

 

We as a club plan on having a really heavy workload, we want to be in the deep end of every single competition we play and in Europe, to be playing 2 or 3 games a week for months on end, that means a squad.

 

It is also clear we did want to address RW, so much doesn't come out about Olise without there being something in it, if we wanted Olise we patently want AN other RW I respect the fact that Eddie seems intent on holding a standard and not just body grabbing for the sake of it, that's admirable. 

 

It would appear we had a form of idea PSR might be up in the air, had been slightly blindsided by all of this as well and it has impacted us, as well as the lack of players moving on, it isn't like we simply haven't wanted to address other areas it has just been far more a challenge to us than it should have been, and intentionally so by other sides in the league 

 

 

[SUPERTOON]

2 minutes ago, JEToon said:

The intent of Gordon and Barnes was great, still is, we should absolutely want two players of that quality fighting it out for a place. 

 

We as a club plan on having a really heavy workload, we want to be in the deep end of every single competition we play and in Europe, to be playing 2 or 3 games a week for months on end, that means a squad.

 

It is also clear we did want to address RW, so much doesn't come out about Olise without there being something in it, if we wanted Olise we patently want AN other RW I respect the fact that Eddie seems intent on holding a standard and not just body grabbing for the sake of it, that's admirable. 

 

It would appear we had a form of idea PSR might be up in the air, had been slightly blindsided by all of this as well and it has impacted us, as well as the lack of players moving on, it isn't like we simply haven't wanted to address other areas it has just been far more a challenge to us than it should have been, and intentionally so by other sides in the league 

 

 

In terms of us improving RW, the pool out there to do so is pretty big. For us to not do so is a failure, no excuses for it imo.

[rebelrouser]

16 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Neither Gordon or Barnes are comfortable RW though. I think it’s clear Howe doesn’t want one of them out there either.

I agree.  They are emergency only cover.  That is why failing to sign a RW is such a glaring error.