Sibierski Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 Barnes must harbour England aspirations, especially since the household names of Grealish/Rashford are not sure things on LW, and he must back himself over Gordon/Eze. So being rotational option and likely not playing the big games, won’t help towards that. If he’s resigned to not playing for England again, then yea, he’s probably happy as the rotational option for a club that should be competing top end and in Europe next couple of seasons. Think he can play for Scotland too, so if he has tournament ambitions only, that may be the route he takes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 Also for Barnes, I do feel Howe likes the LW to be able to come inside and take ball for possession. Willock/Joe are superb at it due to being naturals centrally and Gordon is very good at ball retention. Barnes, you don’t see as coming inside to take ball in CM positions, it’s always going to be high and wide, where if you’ve got the RW doing same, it creates gap? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 3 hours ago, WilliamPS said: Barnes is a great asset for the team, but yes increasingly difficult to justify having 3 options at LW and none at RW. It’s a bit of a depressing sign of how FFP constricts everything if he goes, as Chelsea have about 12 RWs and NUFC can’t afford to have a single spot on the team with genuine top level competition Howe seems to have gone totally off Miggy so he’s a goner. I think people need to set reasonable expectations for January. It’s a better time to buy potential (as those players are less likely to be integral parts of competitive teams). There are exceptions, but I’m not sure if a RW of sufficient quality will be available He'll be a depreciating asset, that should be pointed out. He's 26 so we'd have to sell him in the next year or so to get our money back. That's the hard-nosed view on it. Of course if you aren't bothered about resale value, then 26 is hardly old, he'd still be good for the rest of his contract. But until we start blowing off PSR, it has to be taken into consideration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 1 hour ago, Shearergol said: Barnes loves it here FWIW If that's really the case then that's great to hear and quite a relief. He doesn't seem unprofessional in the slightest, but that doesn't mean a player can't feel dejected. It still means there are a couple of problems to solve, as @TRon indicates above, but if he's happy enough it'll take a big issue off the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 3 hours ago, Conjo said: One belter of a cross doesn't eliminate our need for a new RW. Agree. Are we going to have this discussion again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 3 minutes ago, 80 said: If that's really the case then that's great to hear and quite a relief. He doesn't seem unprofessional in the slightest, but that doesn't mean a player can't feel dejected. It still means there are a couple of problems to solve, as @TRon indicates above, but if he's happy enough it'll take a big issue off the table. Barnes makes our squad stronger. If it wasn't for PSR we wouldn't even need to think about resale value. Chelsea can look at putting out three teams the equivalent of ours, yet when we want to rotate quality players we are left having to calculate how much money we are going to lose year on year if we don't sell in time. It's disgraceful, but that is the way the PSR rules have been designed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 41 minutes ago, TRon said: Barnes makes our squad stronger. If it wasn't for PSR we wouldn't even need to think about resale value. Chelsea can look at putting out three teams the equivalent of ours, yet when we want to rotate quality players we are left having to calculate how much money we are going to lose year on year if we don't sell in time. It's disgraceful, but that is the way the PSR rules have been designed. Yep, it's a farce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 7 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Interesting to see what people think of the RW issue now that we want Joe and Joe on the left. Guess different for different games? We can’t rely on Joelinton left forward for many games. Hasn’t got the creativity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 7 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Interesting to see what people think of the RW issue now that we want Joe and Joe on the left. Guess different for different games? RW is still the priority for me. One game doesn’t change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 6 hours ago, KaKa said: Think we could potentially look at a talented youngster that won't cost a huge fee, who is good enough to play in the first team when needed, but still has room for growth and won't mind being a rotational option. William Gomes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 17 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: RW is still the priority for me. One game doesn’t change that. Its the same story everytime someone has a good game. If Murphy does something good we are in no need. Its not long a go Barnes left and Gordon right was the answer. Not long before that it was Barnes right and Gordon left that was the answer. We need a bloody RW Christ. This never ending discussion we need/we need not a RW is quite something.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 13 minutes ago, rebelrouser said: William Gomes. Yeah, I read that earlier today. Would make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 We are linked with a South American wonder kid every single transfer window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: We are linked with a South American wonder kid every single transfer window. Will be there interesting if we actually get one over the line this time. Seems to be a big remit of Mitchell to get younger talent in, so let's see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 49 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said: We can’t rely on Joelinton left forward for many games. Hasn’t got the creativity. I think we'll see more from him in that regard as we face other teams where we have more of the ball. At the back end of the season we qualified for the Champions League he played a lot on the left and he ended up scoring 6 goals and assisting 2 from that position in 15 appearances there in the Premier League. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/joelinton/leistungsdaten/spieler/333241/plus/0?saison=2022 Not to mention he also allows Hall to be more of a threat getting forward, and also has a similar effect on Willock. Both of whom will also impact our possession, chance creation and goal scoring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 58 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said: We can’t rely on Joelinton left forward for many games. Hasn’t got the creativity. Running hard and fast through a player as though he's not even there is kind of creative Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 53 minutes ago, KaKa said: I think we'll see more from him in that regard as we face other teams where we have more of the ball. At the back end of the season we qualified for the Champions League he played a lot on the left and he ended up scoring 6 goals and assisting 2 from that position in 15 appearances there in the Premier League. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/joelinton/leistungsdaten/spieler/333241/plus/0?saison=2022 Not to mention he also allows Hall to be more of a threat getting forward, and also has a similar effect on Willock. Both of whom will also impact our possession, chance creation and goal scoring. Absolutely. They're shaping up to be a lethal trio. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 20 hours ago, KaKa said: Will be there interesting if we actually get one over the line this time. Seems to be a big remit of Mitchell to get younger talent in, so let's see. Just reading some other talk of us selling players to free up money to buy in other threads, namely Isak and Bruno, the way FFP and PSR is set up now, I just don't think we are going to be seeing daft fees unless a player is truly exceptional. There's only a handful of clubs worldwide that can afford them, and even then not sure the new rules will encourage the sort of spending we used to see. Isn't that why Osimhen ended up playing in Turkey? I think most clubs will end up following the same model as Mitchell. Just got to look at Liverpool turning their nose up at Guehi once Palace started talking stupid figures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Speaking of Liverpool, we could be competing with them for a RW in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_n_white Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Get back in for Guehi in January, we need more cover in defence. Also a wide forward who can play central. Job done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 1 hour ago, black_n_white said: Get back in for Guehi in January, we need more cover in defence. Also a wide forward who can play central. Job done. Really? How high would you go and for how long? We offered £65 million, including add-ons in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Just now, rebelrouser said: Really? How high would you go and for how long? We offered £65 million, including add-ons in the summer. Start at £50m, then work backwards. £1m a day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 3 hours ago, rebelrouser said: Speaking of Liverpool, we could be competing with them for a RW in the summer. Would you take their no.2 GK off them when the Georgian arrives? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 1 minute ago, LFEE said: Would you take their no.2 GK off them when the Georgian arrives? I would, he's very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 1 minute ago, LFEE said: Would you take their no.2 GK off them when the Georgian arrives? Would they get rid of him? Surely Allison moves on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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