NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Yorkie]

43 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

Be interesting to see how we handle Miley over the next few years. 

 

We don't really look to have much of a culture for youth development at the club.

 

Young prospects are rarely given a proper chance here.

 

Probably because most from the academy are barely National League standard. Anderson had loads of chances and Miley played shitloads last season. Hall is first choice LB.

[SteV]

People just need to be patient with Miley. We’ve got arguably the best manager going for developing elite young talent. He knows what he’s doing.

[r0cafella]

20 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Do an Aston Villa - sell with a buy back. 
Better to sell to the Champ so he gets more minutes.  

Sell and buy back makes no sense. 

 

Once you buy back you have to amortise the fee you pay, you no longer have the benefit of the academy sale. 

[r0cafella]

Double post. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 07:26 by r0cafella

[Izakaya]

16 minutes ago, SteV said:

People just need to be patient with Miley. We’ve got arguably the best manager going for developing elite young talent. He knows what he’s doing.

 

Yes but he takes ages doing it. Miley has been on the outer fringe for two seasons now, I can see why he's getting frustrated. 

[GeordieDazzler]

Probably an oversimplification but Howe likes to have these young lads in and around the first team for a season before they are put in situations where there are tangible things at risk.

 

Feels like he’s sort of done that with Miley this year as was pretty much forced to put him in during 23/24. Hopefully we will see a lot more of him this year. 

[NSG]

He’ll be playing shitloads next season, including in the Champions League. If he wants to leave then he’s getting some terrible advice.

[1964]

Imagine playing for another team with that tattoo tho 

[1964]

2 minutes ago, NSG said:

He’ll be playing shitloads next season, including in the Champions League. If he wants to leave then he’s getting some terrible advice.

He's already had terrible advice from his tattooist 

[The Butcher]

30 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Probably because most from the academy are barely National League standard. Anderson had loads of chances and Miley played shitloads last season. Hall is first choice LB.

Anderson got 1400 league minutes in his last two seasons here. Not an awful lot.

 

Miley played loads, probably too much, down to injuries in midfield.

[The College Dropout]

27 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Sell and buy back makes no sense. 

 

Once you buy back you have to amortise the fee you pay, you no longer have the benefit of the academy sale. 

But you have a good footballer in your squad at a fair price.  You’ve hopefully utilised his initial sale to fund another player to secure you CL football in his absence. 
 

If Miley isn’t worth £20m amortised over 5 years then we should be happy if we can sell him for £14m now. That £14m pays for a purple for a season to try and get us into the CL. Closer to 2 seasons probably. 

[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

But you have a good footballer in your squad at a fair price.  You’ve hopefully utilised his initial sale to fund another player to secure you CL football in his absence. 
 

If Miley isn’t worth £20m amortised over 5 years then we should be happy if we can sell him for £14m now. That £14m pays for a purple for a season to try and get us into the CL. Closer to 2 seasons probably. 

This makes no sense friend. First issue is why on earth would we sell Miley for 14m? And who would accept a 6m profit lock? 

 

 

[The College Dropout]

FFP means academy players don’t make a lot of sense as squad players.  

[r0cafella]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

FFP means academy players don’t make a lot of sense as squad players.  

This is incorrect, Amortisation isnt a free lunch. Any player you buy still has to be paid for. 

 

Last I checked, if squad cost was implemented as proposed we would have already breached. 

[lovejoy]

1 hour ago, Shadow Puppets said:

From conversations with the Miley family, they are definitely frustrated at his lack of game time (they express that pretty openly), but I massively doubt that they will want him to leave. The whole family are huge fans.

 

I think it’s more likely that we see him sent out on loan if we sign another CM this summer.

He’s 19, he’s played almost 50 times for us at a time when we have one of the best midfields in the country. He’s also had a long term injury.

 

Don’t get their frustrations at all tbh.

 

 

[lovejoy]

17 minutes ago, NSG said:

He’ll be playing shitloads next season, including in the Champions League. If he wants to leave then he’s getting some terrible advice.

Indeed.

[The College Dropout]

Just now, r0cafella said:

This makes no sense friend. First issue is why on earth would we sell Miley for 14m? And who would accept a 6m profit lock? 

 

 

Clubs that think he would help them in the short term with an immediate impact. Real Madrid and Villa have done this in the past to great effect. 
 

The specifics of the numbers are just an example. Point is: you sell a player at slightly below market value and insert a buyback at slightly above market value.  Buying club gets a player that improves their first team below market value - we still get a decent fee with the chance to buy and flip for more money or keep him. 
 

If Miley can’t contribute well to a promotion level team or Champ team going for promotion - what use is he to us this season?

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Clubs that think he would help them in the short term with an immediate impact. Real Madrid and Villa have done this in the past to great effect. 
 

The specifics of the numbers are just an example. Point is: you sell a player at slightly below market value and insert a buyback at slightly above market value.  Buying club gets a player that improves their first team below market value - we still get a decent fee with the chance to buy and flip for more money or keep him. 
 

If Miley can’t contribute well to a promotion level team or Champ team going for promotion - what use is he to us this season?

He can and does contribute though? Also his salary is a lot less than a replacement. 

 

Wed also he outsourcing his development to a third party without any input or control. 

 

I get we all twerk for signings and have PTSD about buying players but I don't think selling Miley to replace him makes any sense. Are fourth and 5th choice central midfielders that much better and cheaper? 

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

This is incorrect, Amortisation isnt a free lunch. Any player you buy still has to be paid for. 

 

Last I checked, if squad cost was implemented as proposed we would have already breached. 

You have to trade.  
 

Selling Miley for £20m would pay for Tonali for a single season.  Tonali was the difference between CL and no European football. That’s £80m in revenue.  £20m pays for Tino and Hall for a single season.  The impact of that level of player is the difference between on pitch success and failure which impacts revenue.  
 

At some point we may have to sell Tonali, Hall or Tino themselves too. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

You have to trade.  
 

Selling Miley for £20m would pay for Tonali for a single season.  Tonali was the difference between CL and no European football. That’s £80m in revenue.  £20m pays for Tino and Hall for a single season.  The impact of that level of player is the difference between on pitch success and failure which impacts revenue.  
 

At some point we may have to sell Tonali, Hall or Tino themselves too. 

I'm well aware we have to sell players, I'm one of the few who actually champions this. 

 

But selling Miley now for a low fee when he has so much potential makes little sense, we aren't going to use that money to sigh s Sandro who's willing to warm the bench, and you can't keep kicking the amortisation can either it adds up a lot and squad cost will be crushing if you underperform for a year and your relying on European football to bridge the gap. 

 

No disrespect but I'm sure you were hoping Minteh would have a buyback which was never going to be the case. 

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

He can and does contribute though? Also his salary is a lot less than a replacement. 

 

Wed also he outsourcing his development to a third party without any input or control. 

 

I get we all twerk for signings and have PTSD about buying players but I don't think selling Miley to replace him makes any sense. Are fourth and 5th choice central midfielders that much better and cheaper? 

Miley barely plays.  He’s not good enough as it stands to be the next choice CM for a side in CL looking to requalify. 
 

If he’s not good enough to be Joelinton level-ish over 25 games next season - it’s better he’s sold for someone who is. That could be the difference between CL and Conference league.  Last 16 CL or group stage elimination. 

[Shadow Puppets]

17 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

He’s 19, he’s played almost 50 times for us at a time when we have one of the best midfields in the country. He’s also had a long term injury.

 

Don’t get their frustrations at all tbh.

 

 

I mean, I completely agree with you, and he’s in a squad with elite level players and is still getting game time.

 

As I say, I think it’s just frustrations… I don’t think there’ll be any desire to leave.

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I'm well aware we have to sell players, I'm one of the few who actually champions this. 

 

But selling Miley now for a low fee when he has so much potential makes little sense, we aren't going to use that money to sigh s Sandro who's willing to warm the bench, and you can't keep kicking the amortisation can either it adds up a lot and squad cost will be crushing if you underperform for a year and your relying on European football to bridge the gap. 

 

No disrespect but I'm sure you were hoping Minteh would have a buyback which was never going to be the case. 

We won’t qualify for the CL again next season if we don’t have several Barnes, Joelinton, Trippier level players on the bench when everyone is fit. We won’t qualify for the CL again if we don’t buy a first team quality CM/10 this season - unless Miley is that player at 20 years old. For me it’s that simple.  
 

Villa couldn’t do it with half a season with a super squad.  We barely managed it with no Europe.  A winger, backup striker, CB and GK won’t be enough 

[r0cafella]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

We won’t qualify for the CL again next season if we don’t have several Barnes, Joelinton, Trippier level players on the bench when everyone is fit. We won’t qualify for the CL again if we don’t buy a first team quality CM/10 this season - unless Miley is that player at 20 years old. For me it’s that simple.  
 

Villa couldn’t do it with half a season with a super squad.  We barely managed it with no Europe.  A winger, backup striker, CB and GK won’t be enough 

I'm so confused, you told me we are 2-3 players from winning the league. Now we aren't going to qualify for the champions league. 

 

Your thinking is extremely short term, this can't be done quickly, the rules which we seem to be happy to abide for slow the whole project. Why sell Miley now? How much do you think we can get for him? 

 

I think we have a manager who has shown he's pretty much unrivaled at developing talent, we have a young player who at 17 looked perfectly comfortable at premier league level, let them cook man. 

[Optimistic Nut]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We won’t qualify for the CL again next season if we don’t have several Barnes, Joelinton, Trippier level players on the bench when everyone is fit. We won’t qualify for the CL again if we don’t buy a first team quality CM/10 this season - unless Miley is that player at 20 years old. For me it’s that simple.  
 

Villa couldn’t do it with half a season with a super squad.  We barely managed it with no Europe.  A winger, backup striker, CB and GK won’t be enough 

 

Would that not mean you'd have the likes of Murphy, new striker, Schar, Burn & Pope join the likes of Barnes & Trippier on the bench, which is pretty strong?